Would you be angry if someone hogged your horse without your permission?

How long was his mane when he went? If you were in the process of growing it out it could have just looked like it was desperate to be redone and they thought they were doing you a Favour? Just a thought :o

If it was obviously long then yes they should have asked!
 
My mates horse was fully clipped, trimmed, pulled and shod while at a college, none of which she wanted. He was also jumped into the ground, kept going off with tendon injuries, rested til he almost looked sound then put straight back into jumping classes. She was also promised turnout at least a couple of times a week which she didn't get. Moral of the story? Stay away from colleges lol. Hope your horses mane grows back fast, i would be FUMING.
 
OK so let me clarify:

The horse was previously on working livery at the college in question; he has mild sweet itch, and while he was there (for two years) I gave them permission to hog as they had requested it and it would be far easier to manage from their point of view.

Last July, at the end of the college term, the horse came back to me at my yard - and it was not my intention to return him as working livery in the autumn, so started to grow his mane .....

As he was a popular horse for novices, I did promise the college that if they ever should need him for the future they could "borrow" him on a short-term basis.

They rang me a fortnight ago to ask if they could indeed "borrow" him for BHS exams etc at the end of term, just for a fortnight/three weeks basis and then he would return to me.

I said it was OK to clip him, BUT I did not give permission for his mane to be hogged. To be fair to the college, the person clipping might have seen the horse in the yard last year and assumed it was to be hogged just like before, BUT surely people can use their eyes and if there's a full mane in existence (even if a relatively short mane) - plus the fact that the horse was only on loan to them for under a month - then you'd expect surely that they'd either leave well alone OR check with the owner first?

There is a world of difference between giving up one's horse on a working livery basis for a whole academic year (which is what is expected) - and the college have the day-to-day management of it; and basically doing them a favour plus honouring a promise like I did, and allowing them to have the horse back for just a few weeks to get them out of a fix!! Which is why I'm so angry.

Not all cobs in the college are hogged, there are several that are not, so that doesn't seem to be college policy.

Sorry, just needed to clarify as some posters, whilst expressing valid comments, might not have been clear about the whole situation and why I'm so hopping mad!

I understand the whole thing is the subject of an internal disciplinary enquiry; but the point is that it should never have happened. OK nothing awful's happened to the horse - it won't prove fatal (!), but my faith in other people having my horse is completely destroyed now.
 
I would combust.

The facts are that he is your horse and any decisions ultimately should be made by you. legally as well as morally, I would not dream of taking it upon myself to go and hog my mate's horse's mane, let alone someone I didn't know, I don't even give other peoples horses a treat unless they ok it. Long gone are the days of proper horsemanship and respect.

*Gets off soapbox*
 
blueneonrainbow said:
we aren't talking about a show horse with a flowing mane that has taken years to grow ... It's 6 months growth so how much of an issue is it really?
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Who said we were ?????

we are talking of someone pride and joy she spent 6 months growing it back = SHE WANTED IT LONG!

she kindly let the yard have him on a short term basis
THEY ASSUMED they could hog him again she DID NOT say they could .They should have asked ! period

Regardless of how long it took to grow she did not give them permission. How did they know she wasn't planning to take him to a show or dressage and wanted to plait him???

Some horses manes take ages to grow some don't grow at all its a big deal to some .
And 99.9% of the replies are on her side there is always one bad apple in the cart I suppose!!!
 
Yes I would be totally livid!!!! I do a bit of free lance grooming and I always ask if can cut a bridle path before I do it, I have been suprised on a number of occassions when people say no! But they are always thankful that I asked before hand because alot of people don't.

Hope you get an apology!
 
Anyone with half a brain knows that hogging is very much a matter of personal taste, and that some horse owners hate it. Therefore simple common sense should have made the person wielding the clippers pause for thought before proceeding and check that you were OK with this. As you say, they didn't have the horse long-term.
 
Thanx to everyone for their support; I've been really amazed at the response to this, so thank you everyone.

I know that in a horrid world where for e.g. kids are starving to death and donkeys & horses are being treated mega-badly etc etc, someone chopping off my boys mane is small-fry, BUT I just wanna say thanks to you all.

The college ARE, I believe, taking this very seriously indeed (and so they should) - and nothing but nothing can make his mane grow again now so we will just have to wait till he comes home the week after next (am counting the days!); and learn from this that NEVER EVER AGAIN!!

And let it be a warning to anyone else - if yours is going to livery/working livery/college or whatever, then GET IT IN WRITING what your wishes are concerning hogging/trimming etc.
 
I think that you have been very generous to the college by leaving him there for the whole of the exam period. I would have gone and got him straght away!
 
Thank you "Faracat" - I have an inconvenient habit of being far too blimmin conscientious & feeling that if I've promised someone something, then I have to fulfil that .... the way I was brought up I guess.

Also, there's a (buddist?) proverb I believe that says basically that if you leave a bad vapour in a place it'll stay there till you return ..... sort-of-thing. Perhaps someone on here knows the proper wording of it ..?
 
Also, there's a (buddist?) proverb I believe that says basically that if you leave a bad vapour in a place it'll stay there till you return ..... sort-of-thing.
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I think that that is actually true in many cases.

It is good that the college is taking this seriously as it shouldn't have happened.
 
So I'm a bad apple for thinking that the op is making a massive fuss over nothing? I don't think so. Op should have specified you may clip but don't hog. It's partly your fault too.
 
blueneonrainbow said:
So I'm a bad apple for thinking that the op is making a massive fuss over nothing? I don't think so. Op should have specified you may clip but don't hog. It's partly your fault too.
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Have to say I don't agree with you on this, the horse wasn't hogged, so shouldn't have been unless the owner asked for it specifically, as hogging is not a normal part of clipping.
I too would be furious if my horse's mane was hogged without my permission.
 
"Not all cobs in the college are hogged, there are several that are not, so that doesn't seem to be college policy. "



My boy wasn't when he was kept there, and he had the mane to end all manes :P. Don't even get me started on Bicton though.....
 
Faracat said:
Mane extensions? ;) :p :D

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I rode this horse at Royal Windsor last year - she's SUCH a Diva!! She refused to come out of her trailer until her personal hairstyleest had 'made her look presentable'!
 
You've every right to be furious, I'd be livid. I think I would write to whoever is in charge, I'd be too angry to speak calmly to them. Ask them what action is being taken and what they intend to do to prevent anything like this happening again.

At the end of the day try not to get too upset. It is hair and it will regrow. The horse is fine.
 
I would be mad, yeah! Although if someone did my tb I would be secretly pleased as it's so long he looks like a ginger friesian at the moment! I'v got the vet out next week to sedate so I can do it, it's a yearly job lol!!!
 
OP I too would be fuming about my horse being hogged without permission.
He may have mild sweet itch but that does not mean that is an excuse to hog. There are plenty of creams and treatments that can be used to control the itching. I know you said that your horse had been at the establishment before and you had allowed him to be hogged, but I agree that hogging is not a normal inclusion of clipping and permission should have been sought by the yard first and foremost!
Personally I dislike hogging unless it is done for medical purposes.
Two of my own horses have been hogged in the past though. One was because I made a balls up of his mane and the other because I just wanted to see what he looked like clipped, no feathers and hogged.
I vow to never clip off their parts again though. One is a heavy horse who should have the complete caboodle anyway and the other a traditional with a lot of feather.
It has taken several years to get the cob right while the heavy who was clipped out early last year has a mane that is growing well.
I am a strong believer that horses have manes, tails and feathers for a reason!
In the same way that us humans have bodily hair and hair on our heads as it is there to aid in bodily functions.
In horses the mane and tail is there for protection against flies, and the elements to keep warm. Tails can also be lifted, or swished to indicate mood and to signify body language, so they serve all sorts of purposes.
I hope the OP gets a huge apology at the very least!
If it was me in their position I would be wanting to punch somebody.

As for the mane extension photos I thought they were ace :) I also liked the last one especially with the glitter, are they for real, or just photoshopped? As I would love to try the latter on my cob :)
 
As for the mane extension photos I thought they were ace I also liked the last one especially with the glitter, are they for real, or just photoshopped? As I would love to try the latter on my cob
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The horses really did have extensions put in their manes and apparently they enjoyed the extra pampering. ;) :D
 
:mad:Yes i would be very upset if someone did that to my horse. With things like that surely its common sence to ask the owner if that is acceptable?? especially as he was only going there for 3 weeks! how rude!!! :mad:
 
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