Would you be annoyed if someone use your animal pics for business reasons...

a photographer came to the yard where B is liveried and took some pics of the horses, including mine. he ended up using the pic he took that day as a postcard sized business card.

came back a couple of weeks later and took loads of B for his portfolio.

I ended up going to see the tog's studio where the pics of B had been printed, mounted and framed and were being sold as limited edition prints (10 in each set)

obviously they were really beautiful pictures and even more lovely to me because it was my horse.

he wouldn't sell me an unframed one, or even a tiny print, only one of the full size framed ones for full price.

it left a very bad taste in my mouth as I felt it would have been a decent gesture to let me have one at a price I could afford.
 
I'm a photographer, and would never use images of anyone's animals without their permission, i even ask if i can use them on my website/ portfolio etc before anyone else sees them. And I would never sell images of other people's horses to anyone but themselves without permission. Although i technically could if i wanted to, i would feel awful.

So yes, i would be annoyed. Legally as you said she holds the copyright. But it is just bad manners. Would you have said no to her if she had asked you? I would confront her, it's a bit cheeky but i guess nothing more. Especially since she's family.
 
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maletto said:
a photographer came to the yard where B is liveried and took some pics of the horses, including mine. he ended up using the pic he took that day as a postcard sized business card.

came back a couple of weeks later and took loads of B for his portfolio.

I ended up going to see the tog's studio where the pics of B had been printed, mounted and framed and were being sold as limited edition prints (10 in each set)

obviously they were really beautiful pictures and even more lovely to me because it was my horse.

he wouldn't sell me an unframed one, or even a tiny print, only one of the full size framed ones for full price.

it left a very bad taste in my mouth as I felt it would have been a decent gesture to let me have one at a price I could afford.
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How rude, now that would really annoy me, he should have given you a picture, what a horrible man.
 
I would be disappointed if I wasnt asked before the photos were used. Its polite and professional. I'm sure not many people would say no.
 
As others have said it isn't illegal, but rather unprofessional.

But modern technology like digital cameras and social networking sites like facebook have totally messed up people's concept of photos. People are too used to taking photos of anything and using them for their own needs without considering permission or courtesy.
 
I wouldnt have a problem at all if I knew, but it's a bit off to do it without asking first-it's just polite in my opinion!

ditto whoever said they would want lots of freebies though!!
 
What an absolute ar&e!

He's making money out of something he's got from Your horse (the one you pay for, look after, etc. etc. etc.) and he charges you for a picture??!!!

I think there should be a change in the law.


maletto said:
a photographer came to the yard where B is liveried and took some pics of the horses, including mine. he ended up using the pic he took that day as a postcard sized business card.

came back a couple of weeks later and took loads of B for his portfolio.

I ended up going to see the tog's studio where the pics of B had been printed, mounted and framed and were being sold as limited edition prints (10 in each set)

obviously they were really beautiful pictures and even more lovely to me because it was my horse.

he wouldn't sell me an unframed one, or even a tiny print, only one of the full size framed ones for full price.

it left a very bad taste in my mouth as I felt it would have been a decent gesture to let me have one at a price I could afford.
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maletto said:
a photographer came to the yard where B is liveried and took some pics of the horses, including mine. he ended up using the pic he took that day as a postcard sized business card.

came back a couple of weeks later and took loads of B for his portfolio.

I ended up going to see the tog's studio where the pics of B had been printed, mounted and framed and were being sold as limited edition prints (10 in each set)

obviously they were really beautiful pictures and even more lovely to me because it was my horse.

he wouldn't sell me an unframed one, or even a tiny print, only one of the full size framed ones for full price.

it left a very bad taste in my mouth as I felt it would have been a decent gesture to let me have one at a price I could afford.
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I can completely see why this has left a bad taste, but from a legal perspective if he has done a limited edition print of 10 he simply isn't allowed to create an 11th print.

However he could have sold you an unframed version at a discounted price or he could have done you a smaller image using a picture that he had taken but not made into a limited edition print (one of the rejects if you like).

Very limited print runs do really up the value of a print and so I can understand him being reluctant to discount one of such a limited run so heavily, but it isn't good customer relations.

I appreciate we are in a slightly different position with Mark being an artist rather than a photographer (and our print runs are normally bigger) but we do try to let people know if we are likely to be doing anything where their animal is identifiable and be sensitive to their wishes. It isn't always possible, if he snaps a photo of an animal sticking its head over a fence for example.

We also normally make sure that if we've "borrowed" someone's animal as a model they get a good deal on the end result. So when a picture Mark did of a riding school horse won a prize he gave a little unframed printout to the YM and sold a full size signed print at a discount to the YO.

In the main people are flattered when their animal is used and even more pleased if their image is used on business cards or greetings card or is put into print. In fact lots of clients say "it will go on your website won't it" and can get quite disappointed if their animal's picture isn't used on anything!
 
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No I wouldn't be annoyed especially as she's a relative just trying to make a bit of money! The only thing that would annoy me is if it in some way threatened the security of my yard or my horses and dogs. It is perfectly legal to photograph any person or animal without permission and to sell the image. You only have to look at te tabloids to see that!
 
maletto said:
a photographer came to the yard where B is liveried and took some pics of the horses, including mine. he ended up using the pic he took that day as a postcard sized business card.

came back a couple of weeks later and took loads of B for his portfolio.

I ended up going to see the tog's studio where the pics of B had been printed, mounted and framed and were being sold as limited edition prints (10 in each set)

obviously they were really beautiful pictures and even more lovely to me because it was my horse.

he wouldn't sell me an unframed one, or even a tiny print, only one of the full size framed ones for full price.

it left a very bad taste in my mouth as I felt it would have been a decent gesture to let me have one at a price I could afford.
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I agree, that is terrible! I am an artist (in my spare time), and once invited people with various breeds of dogs to come to my house for a photograph session. I gave them a set of the photographs for free, and if I chose their dog for a painting and limited edition prints, then they also received one of the prints for free.
 
I'd be especially annoyed because this isn't a stranger who has taken pictures at a public event but someone who (presumably) comes to my house and has had every opportunity to mention this in advance.

Incidentally when on holidays and so forth I usually cross out any part of the disclaimer that says they can use pictures of me for advertising. Most places don't complain.
 
I would be really annoyed, and doubly so because it's family... Whether that's right or wrong, I,m sorry but in my eyes my dogs, horse, son are my family.

I,m very concious of this sort of thing, I,m always putting pics on fb, of my family. But I wouldnt put pics on of friends of family unless they were ok with it.


It probably isn't worth a family feud over, (I tend to forgive mine a lot of stuff)

Just in future i wouldn't let her have camera anywhere near me or mine.
 
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