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i bought a horse last year as a "not a total novice ride" from a riding school local to me, they are supposed to be the best in the area. so after viewing the horse, riding him on several occasions, catching him and turning him out, hacking out alone and in company with him i decided to take the plunge and buy him.
he was a little forward when on open grass (wanting to have a blast) but appart from that he was very well mannered.

after getting him home and letting him settle for a few days i started riding him and he was an absolute nut job! at first i thought it was his new surroundings but i remained firm with him not letting him (or trying not to) get away with anything. a few months past and i cannot count how many times i was holding on for dear life while out on hacks or in the school while he had a moment. i did the usual tack back etc checks and all ok. i then traced an old owner who informed me he had always been like that! :eek:

i got him re:schooled and he started getting a little better, but one day out on a hack he went nuts and i ended up over a car bonnet :eek::eek:
shortly after that i sold him (after all you can only take so much) and i had spent 7 months trying to sort him out and god knows how much money.

a few days ago a friend showed me a video on youtube of him that she had found, while he was at the said riding school..... QUOTE "this is ******* being ridden by ******* he is a but of a psycho and she is the only one which will ride him. lets hope he doesnt try kill anyone today UNQUOTE :eek::eek::mad::mad::eek:

now im pi**ed off, i know "not a total novice ride" but psyhco????? Jesus. i am fumming that she couldnt be honest enough with me to say he is very forward and IS NOT A NOVICE RIDE rather than not a total novice ride....
i know i probs cant really do anything about it but it has just made me sssssooooooooooo mad. just goes to show you cant trust anyone involved with horses even the people that are ment to care about your safety the actual riding school. :(:(:(
 
Not a total ride is a definite. Saying not a total novice ride suggests that a complete novice would struggle but someone more experienced could probably cope.

Unfortunately, some people would rather try and mask the truth...all at the expense of the buyers safety
 
Hiya, don't suppose you have the link do you? I remember someone posting something similar a while back and wondering if it's the same horse. I think it was a bay and was bucking a bit (I know that covers a heck of a lot of youtube posts mind you)
 
Sammii819 i was honest when i advertised him. and when people called about him i dont see the point in hiding things.

i said he had been reschooled and was ok but forward in the school but can not be hacked out as very spooky
i also put he still needed alot of work

i didnt rush to sell him and i offered him on loan with VTB

a lovely lady took him on that i know very well i only asked her for a good will gesture just to pay for his tack. which was less than 10% of what i paid for him.
she lets me go see him when ever i like and she is planning on getting someone out this year to help her tackle the road issue. but she has found he loves x country and he is very good at it so she doesnt mind him being fast on the fields. she is used to problem horses and i know he has gone to a permanent home which is the main thing i wanted and not ended up on a dealers yard.
 
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Dougalsmum said:
Hiya, don't suppose you have the link do you? I remember someone posting something similar a while back and wondering if it's the same horse. I think it was a bay and was bucking a bit (I know that covers a heck of a lot of youtube posts mind you)
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hi no he was a flea bitten grey will try get the link of my friend and put it on x
 
That's good news for him. Least he seems to have found a home and what he likes doing.
Shame you lost a lot of money but least you had the sence not to endanger anyone else.

People who lie on ads make me soooo angry, I have just sold one to a lovely family and told them all his issues, they had him for 5 weeks and then paid the money for him, they love him.
Being honest does pay off sometimes.
 
I can see why you would be annoyed yes, did you not contact the riding school when you were having issues with him?

Yes you'd think a well respected riding school of all places would be honest about the horses they part with after all they have a reputation to keep.

I suppose if you had contacted them back then, then contacted them now, knowing what you now know re this video, they would have some explaining to do.

But you can't change the past and the horse found another good home so not much point working yourself up about it now I guess.
 
Its such a shame when things like this happen, you'd think the riding school would be more concerned about maintaining their reputation too. We bought a super pony from a riding school many years ago but not everyone is honest sadly.

It just serves as a reminder though that lots of horses are not accurately described when advertised, and lets face it, if they were, no-one would even phone up, let alone go and see them. I'm not saying anyone should lie, far from it. It's just a sad fact it happens. You can be 'lucky' (or unlucky depends how you look at it!) when you go and try them too.

I sold a fairly tricky pony last summer, she was a superb jumper and would go all day, but she could be tricky to lead, 99% of the time fine but if something spooked her she'd do a runner and not much would help you keep hold, she could be quite strong to ride too especially when jumping, but never unstoppable. She was also petrified, and I mean hysterical about clippers. I put all this in the advert, along with all her good points of course, she is fab out hacking and hardy as anything!! She'd jump a house if you asked her too. I had over 50 calls and sold her to a super home who have qualified her for all sorts of junior SJ stuff in the midlands, they ADORE her and whenever I go and visit the girl who's got her is terrified I'm going to ask for her back!! When they came to try her though she was a complete lamb! I thought there was something wrong with her! She obviously wanted them to buy her! lol! They of course did but I had to really stress that she could be difficult. They soon called me to tell me when she had shown her chestnut mare side, but not to complain, just to reassure me really that she was being her normal self! She is a funny little horse!

I hope you manage to find yourself something more suitable without a dark side!
 
TBH I wouldn't be mad. My first share horse wasn't advertised for any particular level of rider but I discovered after sharing him for a while that quite a few people who knew him regarded him as 'difficult', a (potential) rearer, hard to tack up, hard to mount... the list goes on!

And, on paper, he was most of those things and more, certainly very forward out hacking. But he was also the perfect 'not total novice' horse for me. I'd only ridden/done stable duties etc in RS/RDA type settings before so was pretty close to 'total novice'.

We did everything little-by-little and he built my confidence no end. But equally with someone else (espec someone who expected to do everything they could on a novice ride straight away without building trust) he might have shattered theirs.

You obviously weren't suited to this horse but he might have been suited to someone else with a similar level of experience if your personalities had matched better.
 
If you want to approach the riding school, perhaps download the youtube video, ask for a meeting with the RS manager, take a copy of the DVD and a copy of their original ad, and go to see them? If you explain the situation they may be willing to give you a partial refund... It depends though whether the youtube video was by a staff member or just a random other person.

I agree with seoire that it is strange they do not care more about their reputation...
 
Is it a large reputable riding school or a more casual small outfit? It may be worth having a meeting, thats a good idea, if they will consider it.

It's not likely they will give you any sort of refund but you could try. By bringing this to their attention you may prevent them misadvertsing in the future though and help prevent it happening to someone else.

I'm glad you managed to find a good home for the horse too. Well done. So many times they get sent to dealers and who knows where some of them end up.
 
Yorkshire dumpling said:
i bought a horse last year as a "not a total novice ride" from a riding school local to me, they are supposed to be the best in the area. so after viewing the horse, riding him on several occasions, catching him and turning him out, hacking out alone and in company with him i decided to take the plunge and buy him.
he was a little forward when on open grass (wanting to have a blast) but appart from that he was very well mannered.
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I dont see what your issue is. You tried the horse out on SEVERAL OCCASIONS including hacking him alone and in company with no issues. Horses test the boundaries with new owners and you must have realised that his work load was likely to be a lot less with you than it was at the RS. I suspect that if you had moved him and got straight on with it, not left him to settle and just continued giving him plenty of work then he more than likely would be similar to the animal you tried out.

Im sorry but I dont see how its the RS's fault. How do you know the video you saw on youtube wasnt when they first got him or when he was first being brought back into work? I sold a pony once that was literally foot perfect with me in all situations and I happily sold him advertised as a novice ride as I was confident that this was what he was. He got to his new home and within a few weeks they were demanding their money back saying he wasnt as advertised as was certainly not a novice ride. Horses can change so dramatically when moved somewhere else. The riding school may well have believed that they had advertised him correctly.
 
I would be very annoyed if I was told the horse was "not a total novice ride" as it would suggest that the horse was not too bad, but needed a fairly competent rider. I think its very sad that people could sell on a horse and not be truthful about it :mad:
Good to hear it is resolved and he is with a new owner who is doing well with him, but still I would be miffed off looking back at it all
 
i remember an incident when i had a potential horse at my old yard for a trial - we jumped him pretty high. when we had him vetted we found out that he had issues with his tendons and should never have been jumped - the owner hadnt bothered telling us any of this.
i felt so bad because we'd asked so much of him and he'd given 100% even though he was injured :(

why cant people just tell the truth? grr..
 
Kenzo said:
I can see why you would be annoyed yes, did you not contact the riding school when you were having issues with him?

Yes you'd think a well respected riding school of all places would be honest about the horses they part with after all they have a reputation to keep.

I suppose if you had contacted them back then, then contacted them now, knowing what you now know re this video, they would have some explaining to do.

But you can't change the past and the horse found another good home so not much point working yourself up about it now I guess.
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yes i contacted them when the problems first started and again a few weeks later, my response was "oh well i did sell him as not a total novice ride" :mad: thats all she ever said xx
 
Afraid I tend to agree with Vieshot as it does appear that you gave him a thorough trial with him before you bought him.

Most riding school horses work far harder than a privately owned horse and this one may have needed the additional work or a different routine.

Did you have bloods tested when you had him vetted to ensure he hadn't been doped and/or had pain killers to mask a physical problem?
 
Tickles said:
TBH I wouldn't be mad. My first share horse wasn't advertised for any particular level of rider but I discovered after sharing him for a while that quite a few people who knew him regarded him as 'difficult', a (potential) rearer, hard to tack up, hard to mount... the list goes on!

And, on paper, he was most of those things and more, certainly very forward out hacking. But he was also the perfect 'not total novice' horse for me. I'd only ridden/done stable duties etc in RS/RDA type settings before so was pretty close to 'total novice'.

We did everything little-by-little and he built my confidence no end. But equally with someone else (espec someone who expected to do everything they could on a novice ride straight away without building trust) he might have shattered theirs.

You obviously weren't suited to this horse but he might have been suited to someone else with a similar level of experience if your personalities had matched better.
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i like to think i am an ok rider i would never say i am great as there is always someone better than me. i have had my fair share of very forward and problem horses mainly from sales, but he was something else..

no one would have been able to build confidence on him when i first bought him and now although after we had him reschooled he was a hell of alot better. he is deffo not for a novice in anyway shape or form. he never did anything to my confidence i will ride almost anything but when i was thrown over the bonnet of a can 7 months in that was the last straw im affraid. i never pushed him we did everything slowly with him and he got lots of attention off me, but he was dangerous sometimes and i dont use that term lightly and very often. on "paper" he was 100% in heavy traffic, bombproof, fantastic in school wonderful jump and a well mannered gentleman in and out of the field.

but when he was home after a few days it became very apparent he wasnt.
even one of the old riding instrucctors from the riding school (who had left said school) told me i was very brave for taking on such a "problem" and said everyone that had ever rode him including her had ended up face down either on a road or in the school or half way across a field.

but i can see what you mean, although i have to say he was nothing like a not a "total novice ride"
 
_CJ_ said:
If you want to approach the riding school, perhaps download the youtube video, ask for a meeting with the RS manager, take a copy of the DVD and a copy of their original ad, and go to see them? If you explain the situation they may be willing to give you a partial refund... It depends though whether the youtube video was by a staff member or just a random other person.

I agree with seoire that it is strange they do not care more about their reputation...
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it was one of the instructors filming the lesson. im not bothered about getting a refund, it would have been nice if they could have been a little more honest with me in the first place :( xx but yes i was thinking of showing them the video and having a little rant. xx
 
vieshot said:
I dont see what your issue is. You tried the horse out on SEVERAL OCCASIONS including hacking him alone and in company with no issues. Horses test the boundaries with new owners and you must have realised that his work load was likely to be a lot less with you than it was at the RS. I suspect that if you had moved him and got straight on with it, not left him to settle and just continued giving him plenty of work then he more than likely would be similar to the animal you tried out.

Im sorry but I dont see how its the RS's fault. How do you know the video you saw on youtube wasnt when they first got him or when he was first being brought back into work? I sold a pony once that was literally foot perfect with me in all situations and I happily sold him advertised as a novice ride as I was confident that this was what he was. He got to his new home and within a few weeks they were demanding their money back saying he wasnt as advertised as was certainly not a novice ride. Horses can change so dramatically when moved somewhere else. The riding school may well have believed that they had advertised him correctly.
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he had 3 days to get used to his surroundings then he got ridden every day apart from on a sunday.

the video was filmed 2 weeks before he was put up for sale , so would have been 4 weeks before i bought him

people who went to said school have also told me about the way he was. it wasnt just when i had him it was while he was there , and previous to that. i think i posted before, i got in contact with one of his old owners who said he was like it with her and she had him for 5 years ish.

i know horses can change but i dont think 2 hours riding a day and lunging work is not enough work and made him fizzy. it wasnt about being fizzy because he wasnt.
 
if it was because of how much work he was doing then why did people who used to ride there and one of his old owners say he was the same with them ???????????

i can understand if that was the case but it wasnt he was like it before the school bought him.

thank you all for your comments btw xxx
 
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