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I had a pony with sarcoids when I was little, we had them frozen off, but they never caused a problem. Are they in a difficult place? x
 
I don't know. The horse belongs to Liberty's breeder, she has said I can take the horse on if I think I can sell her... Just trying to get a feel for what people's attitudes are. We've had one with sarcoids that were succesfully treated, some frozen off and one surgically removed, so I think for myself I would pick the option "yes, if the vet thought they could be succesfully treated".
 
One thing I would never take on after the problems my Mums young mare had. Not worth the heartache.
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she could grow out of them. - Have seen it happen with young horses.

Have also seen some success with the arsenic, mercury cream. - can't remember what it was called!

Depends on how bad they are as well - one is easily coped with but many is a different problem.
 
I am mixed on this - had one mare that had them excised and never had a problem - I know of others though that have got worse and worse and insurance will not keep paying out.
 
We were in this situation a good few years ago, and my mum rang Dr Derek (?) at Liverpool for his advice. I think he said that if a horse develops sarcoids after you've bought it, then there are treatments etc, but he wouldn't recommend buying any horse with existing sarcoids as they can get so horrific. My vet agreed with him, and her thoughts were that the horse was worth meat money only.... Needless to say we didn't buy her...
 
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I would pick the option "yes, if the vet thought they could be succesfully treated".


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You'll be very unlikely to find a vet that would gaurantee successsful treatment, as all treatments have a high chance of re-occurance. I have to say in my case probably not, my mare has had sarcoid since she was 3 (they generally don't appear before then), they have never effected her riding career, but they are continually and very slowly growing, it is likely at some point they will effect her so she cannot be ridden due to there position.
 
Sorry I misquoted myself from the poll. I know what vets are like - won't be 100% about anything! which is fair enough - so I probably should have put "yes, as long as there is a fair chance they can be treated/managed", although I know there are no guarantees in life...
 
If the price reflects the condition and the horse could do what I wanted, then yes I would buy. However, I believe i'm right in saying that no vet would 'pass' a horse with sarcoids, so the price would have to be considerably reduced for me to take the risk
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If she is very young it might be worth having a foal off her, I know of mares whose sarcoids (of varying degrees) who have cleared up after breeding, I think it has something to do with natural antibodys. Also one on my mum's yard had some kind of radiation treatment that was brilliant, cos hers were horrific!
 
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one is easily coped with but many is a different problem.


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One also tends to often develope into many
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The real problem with sarcoids is that the causes and treatments(why they work.don't work) are still largely unkown, there are theories, but each case is so different it really is a huge area and I have to say best avoided. I would take on a horse for a very small amount if it had sarcoids but I would never pay serious money for one. A reason why I would never try to sell my mare.
 
My four year old had them when I bought him. One huge one is on the inside of his thigh, and a couple more around the sheath, and then a tiny one on his flank. I've got some stuff from the vet that you put on for four days at a time, and they then drop off. It's only reduced the size of the large one but he was getting so touchy about it (I was in danger of being kicked into the next county!) that I'm going to re-apply the cream when he's back in from his holidays.

Don't let it stop you buying a nice horse if the vet is happy you can get rid of them. I got my horse at a discounted price as the breeder's vet had told her he wouldn't pass a vetting.
 
Are sarcoids hereditary (sp)? If so then I would never breed from it, like I would not breed from a horse with poor conformation or sweet itch - unless they were top horses and you knew there was a risk the foal may inherit these things
 
Not as far as I am aware, but I think they are still a huge unknown quantity, treated with different methods by different people with different success rates. I would go with my gut instinct as to whether to buy/take on the horse, it is usually the first instinct is the right one!
 
I would buy one for myself but not to sell on, wouldnt trust it to pass a vetting and for a potential buyer to be happy to take the problem on
 
We had a horse with sacroids - the ulcerating kind and it was awful, it was a few years ago now and she was one of the first horses to be treated in liverpool, but we had to repeat it down here at Langford, it never worked though, treatment hopefully would have improved by then. But they were constantly bleeding and the flies used to love them, they were in places that got rubbed by tack.... why on earth did we buy her?
 
Is it a grey? If a grey, then absolutely not. If another colour, then maybe. I do believe that there is a lot you can do with sarcoids through the wacky backy stuff. Think I heard It is primarily caused by abnormal cell/DNA energy which can be altered through radionics, homeopathy, or kinesiology, acupuncture to clear cell blockages.
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It would definately be something that I would consider providing the number/state of sarcoids was not too far avdvanced.
 
No definitely not personally - too many people I know have done it to 'get a horse cheap' and every time it's ended in tears.

Problem with Sarcoids is you never know if they have them internally too - alot do.

I personally wouldn't breed from a mare with sarcoids either - couldn't risk it.

Also alot of insurers wouldn't cover them once mentioned on a vetting certificate and have heard of one who wouldn't cover gastro intestinal tract on a mare with sarcoids due to the risk of colics - do know which company though
 
The day you buy is the day you sell. If you are buying her to sell on and you are asking yourself, are they a problem? then potential buyers will be asking the same.

Personally i would not buy her, if your intention is to sell her on. As you will put all the work into her and might get her full price due to them
 
i voted other as would depend where they were and what type. My first horse Goofy had a number of sarcoids none had changed majorly for a year (according to owners) before we bought him and none were in positions that would interfere with tack. Vet also concurred they shouldn't cause too much hassle as weren't the nasty nasty variety. In the end his actually dropped off with some tea tree cream within a year and never returned.

But no sarcoids wouldn't necessarily put me off but it would depend very much on the individual horse.
 
No - had one on trial for a week (didn't know she had them until discovered why she was unhappy having her girth done up.....she had been bred from (as a 4yo) and I think that was why they put her into foal, which was a shame really as she was a stunning little mare and really well schooled....
My vet advised steering well clear due to it's location - if on the girthline, or anywhere that there's persistent rubbing they are very very difficult to clear
 
I bought Bud with one sarcoid at top of his neck under his jaw, i suppose it was size of broad bean and one under his belly like a squashed pea size.
I really liked him and our vet gave me lots advice, he passed 5 stage vetting so we bought him.
I treated them with the 'Liverpool' paste and they went and touching wood have not reappeared and that a good year and half ago.
He is grey too.
I did think i would sell him on but after his accident i think he may be with me for life!!

I would say if the horse was worth it ie has alot of talent and they weren't in a place that would affect them ie on girth area or tack area and weren't alot of them.... i would buy.
 
Absolutely not if I were going to sell on. Did successfully sell a mare (warmblood) with a large sarcoid on her neck a few years ago, but most people who rang about her terminated the conversation when I told them about it. The people who bought her only did so because they didn't really know what the 'wart' was - so I was lucky. A previous buyer had been advised by the vet not to buy her.
I sold a mare with a couple of tiny ones between her fron legs a while ago, bought her with a winter coat, never noticed them and now always feel horses all over when I go and see them.
That mare was a dun flying dutchman x connie mare & very nice -
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went for peanuts because of the sarcoids.
I believe that some breeds are more prone to them, which implies to me that they are hereditary, consequently I would also never breed from a horse with sarcoids.
 
Probably not, if I planned to sell on simply because it does make them a bit harder to sell since they'd put some people off.

If the horse was perfect then yes I may consider it but Id get my vet to have a really good look at them and offer his opinion. Ive had 2 greys - 1 had them under his tail but they never changed in the 12 years I had him! And my current grey has 1 sarcoid which is tiny but did flair up in the summer when I think the flies irritated it but it healed up and has gone back down to its original (not noticable) size. So really, I havent had any real problems with sarcoids.
 
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Out of interest - would any of you breed from a mare with sarcoids?

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Yes. Marleen had a few with sarcoids whose youngstock are sarcoid free. Jennie has one and she's had a few foals now.
 
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