Would you buy?

ycbm said:
It was your mare I had most in mind JG. Vets insist kissing spines isn't genetic, but being tall or short is, so why would it not be?

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Exactly! There may be other causes other than genetic - but a 50-50 chance - my vet agrees it usually is, lol. (Mind you, vets LOVE kissing spines - x-rays, surgery, rehab, more surgery etc etc etc. )
 
Violet said:
A lot of competition classes now requires recognised breeding details.
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Other than breed specific showing classes I don’t know of any competitions that require registered breeding.
Dressage, showjumping a eventing don’t, showing in classes like the hunter or riding horse classes doesn’t, le trek, polo, horseball, horse back archery don’t, most of the western classes don’t (again only breed specific classes need registration).
 
on mainland europe most horses competing or being bred from will require to be of known origines, origines constatee and be registered or cannot compete, except at a lower level, its going that way all over, you no have the papers you no can register to compete aff you no can register foals, even if they are well bred

im all for taking a chance on something i like, but would i breed from it, probably no, my current stallion was tested till 6 years thoroughly, by me,has the best of bloodlines all through, every line is top class, and still going strong at 19, but he has no warmblood, no cold blood, for me they appear to be the main source of soundness problems

many id horses have a to short verified pedigree for my tastes, many i looked at had no breeding at all for the grandmother, and dubious grading status, not thorough enough or genuine. their debut in the competition arena is fairly recent compared say to arabs and tbs

i can trace my stallion bloodlines and horses i have bred back for hundreds of years, some go back thousands but no need to worry that far, and i take great pleasure when i touch them and think of sort of touching those wonderful horses from the past in my present horses and love reading about them
 
it is a hard decision, the brain fights against heart :cool:
I'm a TB guy, so my point might be strange.
I'd try to look at the pedigree. If there is not any inbreeding in the first 4 generations (if it is 5 better) that is good news. Each breed has its own genetic pool. Purearabians have a large genetic pool (as Worldwide, not he UK), TB has a big genetic pool but Mecklenburg horse might have a smaller genetic pool.

my reply is : it depends on the breed if there is an outcrossing effect, I'd try my chance.
 
ycbm said:
I keep my horses at home and in a way that means he would cost £3000 including his purchase price to get to three years old, if nothing went wrong. And that would be about what he was worth backed and riding quietly, if he retains his movement, temperament, and grows straight. Having met him, I would buy him in a heartbeat if I did not know his mother. He is extremely unusual, and finding a three year old like him would be a search for a needle in a haystack. I do love unusual! I think he would make a wonderful horse for my final years of riding.

Ah well, never mind.

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I tok in a mare with kiso needed a home and was in a bit of a state. I was later offered her son. I had same concerns. Had him x4-63: as a
ycbm said:
I keep my horses at home and in a way that means he would cost £3000 including his purchase price to get to three years old, if nothing went wrong. And that would be about what he was worth backed and riding quietly, if he retains his movement, temperament, and grows straight. Having met him, I would buy him in a heartbeat if I did not know his mother. He is extremely unusual, and finding a three year old like him would be a search for a needle in a haystack. I do love unusual! I think he would make a wonderful horse for my final years of riding.

Ah well, never mind.

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I took in a mare with quite serious kissing spines who needed a home. I was later offered her very nice offspring as a two year old. Had him x-rayed before I brought him home as a 2-year old and x-rays clear with good gaps between processes. Repeated x-rays now he is rising 4. Vet said they don't come much better than this later set of x-rays and he x-rays lots of expensive youngstock. I just thought I'd put it out there that just because the mother has it, doesn't always mean son has. I guess the arthritis is a different issue though but could be result of hard riding in wrong conditiions?
 
It’s hard to say, hereditary arthritis can show up at any age so many people will buy foals from a sound mare without knowing of any predispositions.. X
 
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