Clodagh
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An older pup that had had a hernia operation? ?
Would you buy
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Redders
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I would. If I wasn’t planning to breed (which I wouldn’t be).
Clodagh
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I won’t be breeding, that’s for sure! Thank you.
quizzie
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Umbilical...yes as longer as small/uncomplicated repair.
Inguinal....maybe not...would depend on size/method of reduction.
Inguinal....maybe not...would depend on size/method of reduction.
Clodagh
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I’m just finding that out. Ty
silv
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yes, probably
deb_l222
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Yes, if no complications.
druid
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Yes, if not a breeding prospect and it palpates ok.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
Share, C. Is it near enough so you can visit before deciding?
Chiffy
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Not sure that I would Clodagh especially as you work your dogs, probably be fine in a pet home. It must be possible to find a fully fit potential working dog. If you went ahead you need to research a lot and speak to an informed specialist vet.
Clodagh
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It is a pup my brother’s loader bred. He has sold the rest of the litter but is keeping this one back for the op and will then sell. He’s quite nicely bred. I wasn’t sure if it was just a cosmetic thing or there was a risk of future issues, I know nothing about hernias.
Yes I can get lots with (SFAIAA) no issues but I thought it was worth asking on here. He’s miles away too so I wouldn’t bother if there was any doubt.
Yes I can get lots with (SFAIAA) no issues but I thought it was worth asking on here. He’s miles away too so I wouldn’t bother if there was any doubt.
Chiffy
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I think it’s quite different to take on a rescue that might have a problem but to buy a horse or dog is another matter. I always think no when people ask, shall I still buy it with such and such a problem. Animals have enough things that can go wrong in a lifetime without buying one with a problem at the beginning.
I don’t know about hernias either Clodagh, no doubt you will find out.
I don’t know about hernias either Clodagh, no doubt you will find out.
twiggy2
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You really wanted an older dog so I wouldn't compromise on age and the hernia.
Clodagh
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Anything 6 months plus is ok, so age was in the ballpark.
Clodagh
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Decision made, got his pedigree and not a health test in sight, as usual the problem with gamekeeper bred dogs. Why don’t they, for less than the cost of a single puppy, just get hips and elbows done. His parents are both great workers. Aargh!
Chiffy
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So sorry Clodagh, but at least it’s a clear cut decision. Hope you find what you are looking for soon.
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
It's crazy, isn't it? Saying that, gamekeeper bred was something I was going to look for (eventually, in 5 years' time, oh dear!) because surely they breed solid healthy dogs? Maybe I'm totally naive on that score.
Clodagh
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Maybe they do, and maybe I’d risk it with a spaniel but not a lab. I’d take just one parent being tested if both had good EBVs.
druid
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I wouldn't, so many bury their heads in the sand with spaniels and ignore the problems with hips, elbows, IOHC, PRA etc
Clodagh
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It seems quite a rare thing to see a health tested spaniel? Not that I am ever going to get one but there was a dear little cocker on her first day out yesterday who sat with me. (And her owner) I’d have snaffled her like a shot ?
druid
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FTCh and FTW fully tested studs here....! They're improving but there is very much still a head in the sand element and also some muppets who whitter on about testing but have no working record for the dog and it couldn't hunt it's way out of a paper bag
maisie06
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Both my Cocker and springer come from fully health tested parents. On another tangent Ihave seen keeper bred dogs with no tests go on for years and years with no issue and pups from tested parents have lots of issues, It's a total minefield out there but I do fully support health testing,
Clodagh
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That’s the thing, there are loads of dogs with no health tests staying happily sound into old age. But I just think it’s one less worry.
Thistle
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Toasts parents were't health tested but I did a lot of research using the EBV's provided by the KC, and as I knew his mum who was sound and working well aged 7 I decided to take a risk (he was also inexpensive) I had him tested as soon as he was old enough, hips 4/4, elbows 0/0 eyes 4 years BVA clear and completely clear of all tested DNA inherited diseases. His dad and siblings, together with all their breeding offspring have since been tested, all with excellent results. However he was bred by an experienced person who had a good knowledge of labradors, not some back street puppy farm or someone using the dog up the road to produce pups. I'm a fan of testing BUT if we only breed from the best health tested dogs then we're likely to lose other valuable attributes, anyway who knows what diseases are lurking that we don't yet have tests for. It's all about the balancing act. It's also worth bearing in mind the COI, lab average is 6.6% however if you look at some of the top trialling dogs they have a much higher COI where they have been line bred to maximise certain traits, likewise they also often have less than perfect hip scores, but is this due to more work and training when young to get results?
Clodagh
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Hernia pup’s mum had a positive elbow EBV. The guy selling her (he’s a friend of my brother) was unoffended by me saying no and said he has never had a problem. I just don’t get why people don’t do it. It’s pure laziness or penny pinching which makes a mockery of ‘we aren’t breeding to make money.’
Scout (new puppy) is ouch money but no more than a trialling pup was 2 years ago. His breeder also got his mum to FTW so there’s a lot of work been put in to this litter.
Scout (new puppy) is ouch money but no more than a trialling pup was 2 years ago. His breeder also got his mum to FTW so there’s a lot of work been put in to this litter.
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CorvusCorax
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Within reason, it's hard to do a lot of damage to genetically good hips. I've known dogs be x-rayed at 5, 6 and even 7 after a sustained workload (although careful in youth) and still be excellent.
Some of the best moving/performing dogs I've known have turned out to have terrible hips. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should be expected to. And they tend to go downhill younger.
We know better, we should do better.
Likewise with close line breeding, it's fairly prevalent in my own breed, if you want a great performance dog who'll take you far, fast, you go close on certain lines, but they rarely tend to reach double figures.
That's fine for some people, there are a lot of people for whom a dog is only as important as their competitive/working life lasts, but it's not for me.
Some of the best moving/performing dogs I've known have turned out to have terrible hips. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should be expected to. And they tend to go downhill younger.
We know better, we should do better.
Likewise with close line breeding, it's fairly prevalent in my own breed, if you want a great performance dog who'll take you far, fast, you go close on certain lines, but they rarely tend to reach double figures.
That's fine for some people, there are a lot of people for whom a dog is only as important as their competitive/working life lasts, but it's not for me.