BlackDiamond
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So what if people want to see if it can jump? People proably want to see if it can be ridden too but you wouldnt do that. Sorry but let babies be babies
Would you do this to a horse....for the sake of a sale?!
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MizElz
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I cant say I see too much of a problem with the photo. As Diesel Dog said, the fence is only about 1.05m - hardly a major obstacle. And, as Mother_Hen says, I have known plenty of foals younger than this filly who have taken to jumping out of their paddocks on a regular basis!
At the end of the day, most horses wont jump if they really dont want to - and IME, it is VERY hard to 'force' a horse to loose jump. Not wishing to draw comparisons between competition horses and those who live in the wild, but many mares and foals have to jump logs etc. when the herd is on the run, so jumping is a natural function for most types of horse, no matter what age. I agree that prolonged schooling/jumping will undoubtedly damage a young horse's legs, but again, think of Thoroughbred racehorses - they go into Flat training when they're not much older than this filly.
I'm not trying to justify the photograph - I dont think I would do it, personally - but each to their own; I cannot imagine that the horse will suffer any long standing damage!
At the end of the day, most horses wont jump if they really dont want to - and IME, it is VERY hard to 'force' a horse to loose jump. Not wishing to draw comparisons between competition horses and those who live in the wild, but many mares and foals have to jump logs etc. when the herd is on the run, so jumping is a natural function for most types of horse, no matter what age. I agree that prolonged schooling/jumping will undoubtedly damage a young horse's legs, but again, think of Thoroughbred racehorses - they go into Flat training when they're not much older than this filly.
I'm not trying to justify the photograph - I dont think I would do it, personally - but each to their own; I cannot imagine that the horse will suffer any long standing damage!
vickers22
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I know nothing about youngsters but to me that just looks wrong
Ezme
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Like Miss elle said it would be repeated jumping that would bother me. Once or twice for a photo i suppose could be acceptable, wouldn't do it but it wouldnt put me off buying a foal thats been jumped for a photo. As long as no-ones been on its back, ever, i'm happy.
Sooty
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I looked at that picture and my first thought was - I don't want that, it looks quite capable of jumping out of every paddock on the yard and brave enough to do it too!
Just as well we all want different things from our horses.
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My thought exactly! Teaching something that young to jump, with no real structure, is asking for trouble. Not sure about the impact on its development; it is light and has no rider, and I am no expert. Everyone has different ideas about at what age horses should start doing things, and in the UK we do tend to take things very slowly.
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I looked at that picture and my first thought was - I don't want that, it looks quite capable of jumping out of every paddock on the yard and brave enough to do it too!
Just as well we all want different things from our horses.
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My thought exactly! Teaching something that young to jump, with no real structure, is asking for trouble. Not sure about the impact on its development; it is light and has no rider, and I am no expert. Everyone has different ideas about at what age horses should start doing things, and in the UK we do tend to take things very slowly.
Sooty
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I haven't read the replies, but most horse people are as thick as [****], and probably see no harm in it.
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Eh?
I haven't read the replies, but most horse people are as thick as [****], and probably see no harm in it.
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Eh?
Spyda
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You see FOALS being loose jumped over fences in some of the adverts for 'elite' auctions.
PurplePickle
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Thats quite sad, as said will put most people off poor little thing. I saw worse on Horsemart I think it was a yearly new forest, bit far to tight in its mouth, trying to eat, shod and being lunged to be backed and all at 1 year old
Price was something silly like £350 , do hope h e got a good home
Price was something silly like £350 , do hope h e got a good home
Faithkat
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The concussion to a horse's foot on landing after a jump is equivalent to 360 times the weight of the horse, the soft limbs of a youngster could be irreparably damaged . . . .
a horse is effectively landing on the equivalent of its middle finger nail . . . .
Mind you, I am horrified at the amount of work people do with 3 and 4 year olds too. I would just about SIT on a 3 year old and that's about all
a horse is effectively landing on the equivalent of its middle finger nail . . . .
Mind you, I am horrified at the amount of work people do with 3 and 4 year olds too. I would just about SIT on a 3 year old and that's about all
VictoriaEDT
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Forester is completely right. I have seen the damage that can be done to youngsters (3 year olds let alone 1 year olds) through veterinary research and the statisitcs are not good.
I still think it is bang out of order to jump babies like this.
I still think it is bang out of order to jump babies like this.
Abbeygale
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I don't like this - and would certainly never dream of trying to get my yearling to be jumping like this
However - she has shown a certain panache for jumping fences and gates when the mood takes her.... (and luckily not hurting herself on any occasion)
Luckily for me she is a calm little sausage 99% of the time - so it isn't a continuous thing. I would worry a lot about how the yearling in question's limbs would be as it got older.
However - she has shown a certain panache for jumping fences and gates when the mood takes her.... (and luckily not hurting herself on any occasion)
Luckily for me she is a calm little sausage 99% of the time - so it isn't a continuous thing. I would worry a lot about how the yearling in question's limbs would be as it got older.
PapaFrita
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You see FOALS being loose jumped over fences in some of the adverts for 'elite' auctions.
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Doesn't Pat Parelli do it as well? Over logs and stuff, but still.
I wouldn't and I certainly won't with PF's baby, but then again, I'm hoping my horses last a very long time. Not just until the next sale
You see FOALS being loose jumped over fences in some of the adverts for 'elite' auctions.
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Doesn't Pat Parelli do it as well? Over logs and stuff, but still.
I wouldn't and I certainly won't with PF's baby, but then again, I'm hoping my horses last a very long time. Not just until the next sale
niagaraduval
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I agree. There are quite often some pretty horrendous ads concerning foals and young horses/pregnant mares etc.. and no i would never do that to sell a horse. Her tendons will be f***** in a few years she'll be useless. That's like trying to make a baby jump of a worktop or something. It's simply not done!
nomis
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It does not bother me. You dont know how many times it has been jumped and are making huge assumptions.
Nearly all of your European breeders put their youngsters over some poles as yearlings and 2 year olds because that is what determines whether they are kept or not.
At all your major stallion gradings the stallions are jumped at 2.5 years of age, so they are obviously prepared before hand! As a lot of these breeders are not going to put finance into a horse that does not have good jumping ability, and they are the ones that are then used as breeding sires by UK mare owners and are the ones likely to be on World and European teams (so hardly all broken down with leg problems)...
Most your elite foal auctions show foals jumping over a small jump and in my opinion I dont see what the difference is, compared to them jumping for joy in a field, over a puddle or something else in their path as opposed to putting them over a fence perhaps once.
There are many top studs on the continent and a few in this country that would put their youngsters down a small jumping lane as a foal, yearling or 2 year old. Perhaps only the once just to guage their ability. The youngster probably goes back outside none the worse for doing it either! That hardly means that they are going to be ruined for life or will have suffered serious leg, ligament or tendon injuries.
It is far better than a 2 year old TB horse being raced in this country!! Dont see anyone complaining about that in the H&H!!
Nearly all of your European breeders put their youngsters over some poles as yearlings and 2 year olds because that is what determines whether they are kept or not.
At all your major stallion gradings the stallions are jumped at 2.5 years of age, so they are obviously prepared before hand! As a lot of these breeders are not going to put finance into a horse that does not have good jumping ability, and they are the ones that are then used as breeding sires by UK mare owners and are the ones likely to be on World and European teams (so hardly all broken down with leg problems)...
Most your elite foal auctions show foals jumping over a small jump and in my opinion I dont see what the difference is, compared to them jumping for joy in a field, over a puddle or something else in their path as opposed to putting them over a fence perhaps once.
There are many top studs on the continent and a few in this country that would put their youngsters down a small jumping lane as a foal, yearling or 2 year old. Perhaps only the once just to guage their ability. The youngster probably goes back outside none the worse for doing it either! That hardly means that they are going to be ruined for life or will have suffered serious leg, ligament or tendon injuries.
It is far better than a 2 year old TB horse being raced in this country!! Dont see anyone complaining about that in the H&H!!
AmyMay
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Oooo that's a big jump for a little lass.
Nope - wouldn't buy it either if it was being made to do that.
Nope - wouldn't buy it either if it was being made to do that.
Vicki_Krystal
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It does not bother me. You dont know how many times it has been jumped and are making huge assumptions.
Nearly all of your European breeders put their youngsters over some poles as yearlings and 2 year olds because that is what determines whether they are kept or not.
At all your major stallion gradings the stallions are jumped at 2.5 years of age, so they are obviously prepared before hand! As a lot of these breeders are not going to put finance into a horse that does not have good jumping ability, and they are the ones that are then used as breeding sires by UK mare owners and are the ones likely to be on World and European teams (so hardly all broken down with leg problems)...
Most your elite foal auctions show foals jumping over a small jump and in my opinion I dont see what the difference is, compared to them jumping for joy in a field, over a puddle or something else in their path as opposed to putting them over a fence perhaps once.
There are many top studs on the continent and a few in this country that would put their youngsters down a small jumping lane as a foal, yearling or 2 year old. Perhaps only the once just to guage their ability. The youngster probably goes back outside none the worse for doing it either! That hardly means that they are going to be ruined for life or will have suffered serious leg, ligament or tendon injuries.
It is far better than a 2 year old TB horse being raced in this country!! Dont see anyone complaining about that in the H&H!!
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thats exactly my thoughts.
Ive worked on yards where the youngsters are loose jumped to assess whether they are keepers or not.
Pumping 2yo Tb full of feed etc to race is something else entirely.
It does not bother me. You dont know how many times it has been jumped and are making huge assumptions.
Nearly all of your European breeders put their youngsters over some poles as yearlings and 2 year olds because that is what determines whether they are kept or not.
At all your major stallion gradings the stallions are jumped at 2.5 years of age, so they are obviously prepared before hand! As a lot of these breeders are not going to put finance into a horse that does not have good jumping ability, and they are the ones that are then used as breeding sires by UK mare owners and are the ones likely to be on World and European teams (so hardly all broken down with leg problems)...
Most your elite foal auctions show foals jumping over a small jump and in my opinion I dont see what the difference is, compared to them jumping for joy in a field, over a puddle or something else in their path as opposed to putting them over a fence perhaps once.
There are many top studs on the continent and a few in this country that would put their youngsters down a small jumping lane as a foal, yearling or 2 year old. Perhaps only the once just to guage their ability. The youngster probably goes back outside none the worse for doing it either! That hardly means that they are going to be ruined for life or will have suffered serious leg, ligament or tendon injuries.
It is far better than a 2 year old TB horse being raced in this country!! Dont see anyone complaining about that in the H&H!!
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thats exactly my thoughts.
Ive worked on yards where the youngsters are loose jumped to assess whether they are keepers or not.
Pumping 2yo Tb full of feed etc to race is something else entirely.
MagicMelon
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I dont like it at all. But then I hate racing as well, IMO no horse should be asked to do ANYTHING which stresses it physcially until at least 3 1/2.
magic104
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Spot on nomis, we dont know how often & people forget that loose jumping is now part of the gradings. Therefore I would say the earlier they used to it the better. Taking a foal or yearling into a school with a decent surface & popping it over a jump a couple of times to get a photo is not going to do any damage. Years ago there was some sort of documentary which showed Paul Schockemöhle putting a group of weaned foals/yearlings over some poles then a fence. They were using it as a way to assess them. They are not doing it on a regular basis & are probably suffering less trauma then a yearling/18mth going into training as a flat runner.