would you do this

FionaM12 said:
I've noticed on forums that when there's an arguement, accusing each other of "not having a job" or being "endlessly online" or "not having a life" is a popular if somewhat silly thing to do.
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Sorry I think my patience is wearing thin - I shouldn't rise to these things when avoiding doing my accounts on a friday afternoon when it's peeing down and wanted to ride :-(
 
Wagtail said:
I have to agree there. It goes hand in hand with the attacks on grammar or spelling and usually means the poster is running out of proper arguments.
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Attacks on grammar and spelling are a little out of order, but I have seen posts (not so much on H&H, here the standard's quite high) where it's actually impossible to tell what the person's trying to say!
 
queenbee said:
I would agree with amymay, but also add that if some people could take their rose tinted glasses off they may see that it is not hardened but brave and not just practical, but often the most respectful thing that us owners can do.
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Well I should take off my rose tinted spectacles, and shoot my useless horses so I can get two new shiny ones. And everyone will say how brave and practical I am. Fantastic. :D
 
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Ladylina83 said:
Sorry I think my patience is wearing thin - I shouldn't rise to these things when avoiding doing my accounts on a friday afternoon when it's peeing down and wanted to ride :-(
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I think your post was fine. You were only pointing that posters' employment statuses are irrelevent.

And avoiding accounts seems natural ot me. :)
 
fburton said:
So vets in the UK are obliged to PTS if the owner insists, even on "flimsy" pretexts? Just want to get the definitive answer on this question.
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An old friend of mine had a perfectly healthy 14 year old stunning thoroughbred PTS. He was completely sound and a lovely boy, but she was going through a nasty divorce and I think her judgement was not what it could have been. She had two other horses, gave the most valuable one away to her husband in the divorce settlement and kept the oldie. The vet asked no questions and put the horse to sleep then and there.
 
OneInAMillion said:
What a rude post OP. How do you know every single thing going on within her life :mad:
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No it's not. It's no ruder than any other discussion post or rant on this forum. You could say it's rude to critisise anything horsey if you take that attitude. Is it rude to critisise the woman who keeps her horses barefoot and naked out 24/7 all year round? Or the person that choses to clicker train, or do Parreli, or support horse racing? Or doesn't discipline their horse, or DOES discipline their horse? Without knowing what else is going on in their lives? :rolleyes:

And you critisising the OP? How do you know she is not highly vunerable at the moment and your comment might not just tip her over the edge?

NONE of us know 100% of another person's situation.
 
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fburton said:
So vets in the UK are obliged to PTS if the owner insists, even on "flimsy" pretexts? Just want to get the definitive answer on this question.
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Well, AFAIK the vet can say no, they won't do it - but there's no law against putting a horse humanely to sleep, even if there's no medical reason to do so. And I guess most vets will know that if an owner says they want that horse dead, they will get the job done - whether it's done by the vet, the hunt, the slaughterhouse, or a local farmer with a shotgun - or the horse could just be abandoned, left to rot in a stable, sold onto to somewhere totally unsuitable etc... So from the vet's perspective, I guess at least if they do it, they'll know it's been done right.
 
Wagtail said:
No it's not. It's no ruder than any other discussion post or rant on this forum. You could say it's rude to critisise anything horsey if you take that attitude. Is it rude to critisise the woman who keeps her horses barefoot and naked out 24/7 all year round? Or the person that choses to clicker train, or do Parreli, or support horse racing? Or doesn't discipline their horse, or DOES discipline their horse?
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True, there are many posts on this forum about other peoples' horse care. Mostly no-one seems to think that's bad, especially when there's concern about cruelty.
 
Wagtail said:
Well I should take off my rose tinted spectacles, and shoot my useless horses so I can get two new shiny ones. And everyone will say how brave and practical I am. Fantastic. :D
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See, the thing is, I get your point but I also get the point of defending the choice to PTS.

Personally, when my mare hangs up her horseshoes, she will stay with me, I will not call the vet out to PTS, she will play in the field, do odd bits of ground work in the school and I will probably lead her up the road and back off ben, I am of the same opinion as you, for me, my horses life does not end when I put the saddle away for the last time.

But, there are people who are for whatever reason not able to do that, perhaps it is not their nature, perhaps they can't afford to keep two, and won't give up riding, just because someone does not want to give up riding, it does not mean that they do not love horses. If I had a healthy horse and for whatever reason i couldn't ride it/keep it, then I would do as I have done in the past and find that horse the right home.

However, I do not know the woman the OP is talking about or her circumstances, but I can say this, that if I was for whatever reason unable to keep Ebony who is fit and healthy, there is no way in heaven or hell that I would sell her, she is quirky, must be handled 'just so' if understood she is a fantastic girl that I would trust with my life, but in the hands of someone who does not know her, or understand her, I love my horse too damn much to put her through that.

There are always options, but what sanctuarys have space nowadays? Loaning is not safe, even without a good contract, yes I could advertise her on some well meaning forum, but look how that has ended for some people on here who thought their horse was going to the right home, bottom line for me, as an older horse who has given me her all, there is no way I would hand over control of her fate to anyone other than myself. We are talking about older horse, in a climate where the good, young, foot perfect ones are bearly selling.

So yes actually, wagtail, I would endevour to do what you do, but it is not alway black and white, I completely see that there are times when it is a logical, brave and respectful step, to put an older horse down rather than do it the disservice of passing it on into the unknown. There are always shades of grey, none of us know what was running through the womans mind at the time, and just because she has done it before, it does not mean that both times were not for very valid, well thought through reasons. Ofcourse this woman could just be a cold hearted cow, but we do not know her and she is not here to defend herself.
 
queenbee said:
See, the thing is, I get your point but I also get the point of defending the choice to PTS.

Personally, when my mare hangs up her horseshoes, she will stay with me, I will not call the vet out to PTS, she will play in the field, do odd bits of ground work in the school and I will probably lead her up the road and back off ben, I am of the same opinion as you, for me, my horses life does not end when I put the saddle away for the last time.

But, there are people who are for whatever reason not able to do that, perhaps it is not their nature, perhaps they can't afford to keep two, and won't give up riding, just because someone does not want to give up riding, it does not mean that they do not love horses. If I had a healthy horse and for whatever reason i couldn't ride it/keep it, then I would do as I have done in the past and find that horse the right home.

However, I do not know the woman the OP is talking about or her circumstances, but I can say this, that if I was for whatever reason unable to keep Ebony who is fit and healthy, there is no way in heaven or hell that I would sell her, she is quirky, must be handled 'just so' if understood she is a fantastic girl that I would trust with my life, but in the hands of someone who does not know her, or understand her, I love my horse too damn much to put her through that.

There are always options, but what sanctuarys have space nowadays? Loaning is not safe, even without a good contract, yes I could advertise her on some well meaning forum, but look how that has ended for some people on here who thought their horse was going to the right home, bottom line for me, as an older horse who has given me her all, there is no way I would hand over control of her fate to anyone other than myself. We are talking about older horse, in a climate where the good, young, foot perfect ones are bearly selling.

So yes actually, wagtail, I would endevour to do what you do, but it is not alway black and white, I completely see that there are times when it is a logical, brave and respectful step, to put an older horse down rather than do it the disservice of passing it on into the unknown. There are always shades of grey, none of us know what was running through the womans mind at the time, and just because she has done it before, it does not mean that both times were not for very valid, well thought through reasons. Ofcourse this woman could just be a cold hearted cow, but we do not know her and she is not here to defend herself.
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That's a great point of view and i agree totally.
 
Spudlet said:
Well, AFAIK the vet can say no, they won't do it - but there's no law against putting a horse humanely to sleep, even if there's no medical reason to do so. And I guess most vets will know that if an owner says they want that horse dead, they will get the job done - whether it's done by the vet, the hunt, the slaughterhouse, or a local farmer with a shotgun - or the horse could just be abandoned, left to rot in a stable, sold onto to somewhere totally unsuitable etc... So from the vet's perspective, I guess at least if they do it, they'll know it's been done right.
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Thanks, Spudlet - what you say makes sense. I think the situation may be different in America though, as someone else mentioned.
 
Then I think we are coming from the same place. I would never sell my boy as he APPEARS to be fine to ride but I know that he has pain issues relating to carrying a rider. He is a very good boy and gives very good warning he is not happy rather than just throwing you off. So he could easily be sold to a novice or go to a sale or whatever, but if I could not keep him due to a change in my finances and if my sister also could not have him, then I would PTS because I know that in his case he could go to someone who was not able to spot his pain issues. With my mare, again, I would have to PTS as she is too much of a handful (and not too good with others) to be a companion.
 
Well girls this thread seems to have got quite out of hand! Going all the way back to the very first post, the OP asked us what we would do in the situation she discribed, an old but healthy horse being shot because the woman couldnt manage it. She also did the same with another poor horse. I and some others replied to that question. Nothing was mentioned in her post about the mare needing veterinary treatment, she was sound, the woman just couldnt manage it. Some way along the line, the posters that supported the OP have been jumped on and every case history of their horses that did need to be PTS, used as examples of how dreadfully neglectful it is to keep an old horse going. I would of course put a horse down if it was for its quality of life being made uncomfortable to keep it alive. I also resent one poster for calling me a smug B===h.
 
lionman said:
Well girls this thread seems to have got quite out of hand! Going all the way back to the very first post, the OP asked us what we would do in the situation she discribed, an old but healthy horse being shot because the woman couldnt manage it. She also did the same with another poor horse. I and some others replied to that question. Nothing was mentioned in her post about the mare needing veterinary treatment, she was sound, the woman just couldnt manage it. Some way along the line, the posters that supported the OP have been jumped on and every case history of their horses that did need to be PTS, used as examples of how dreadfully neglectful it is to keep an old horse going. I would of course put a horse down if it was for its quality of life being made uncomfortable to keep it alive. I also resent one poster for calling me a smug B===h.
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I have noticed how if your opinions tend to differ to that of others - then you are 'attacked' (i couldnt think of a better word and its raining now).
I just wish that everyone was able to respect each others opinion. But hey ho - life would be boring then.


Now - more pressing matters - Tea bags - yes or no for conjuncitivis?
 
Dancing Queen said:
I have noticed how if your opinions tend to differ to that of others - then you are 'attacked' (i couldnt think of a better word and its raining now).
I just wish that everyone was able to respect each others opinion. But hey ho - life would be boring then.


Now - more pressing matters - Tea bags - yes or no for conjuncitivis?
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I have heard that formaldehide(sp) works wonders.
 
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well i really admire people like wagtail, who is keeping her horses, and sacrificing her riding, which i find very sad, i think it shows the best of human qualities, and sets an example to others, and IF the other woman had the arab pts for no other reason than her own incompetence, well i would have to say i find that shocking, a friend of mine has an arab older than the mare in question, and he covered 10 mares this year and gets ridden lots.
 
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