Would you report someone not declaring their earnings?

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Just wondering? A few local "grooms" near me who advertise for paid work and have no insurance (I have enquired as a paying customer). Im assuming as no insurance then they also do not declare their earnings. Would you report them inlight of HMRC clamping down on this sort of thing?

Seems petty but why should some people pay all the correct taxes, insurance, NI etc and other just keep all they earn and not declare?
 
I understand your annoyance but it's not something I would get involved with. I use self employed grooms (although I do hold insurance for them) so it is up to them to file their taxes. I care that they do a good job for me and my horses, what they do about filing their taxes is their business.
 
miss_molly said:
Just wondering? A few local "grooms" near me who advertise for paid work and have no insurance (I have enquired as a paying customer). Im assuming as no insurance then they also do not declare their earnings. Would you report them inlight of HMRC clamping down on this sort of thing?

Seems petty but why should some people pay all the correct taxes, insurance, NI etc and other just keep all they earn and not declare?
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Why??? and what does insurance have anything to do with declaring to the taxman???

With the salary they earn it probably would make no difference - also if you report everyone not declaring an income the cost of lesson's will double!!!
 
They will get caught eventually like all those people trading on ebay on the side. A girl at work ended up with a nice big tax bill from selling on ebay. She was making quite a packet selling copied desginer handbags and other stuff she bought from charity shops. They do random checks like the one they did a few years ago when loads of people got a nice tax bill.
 
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Dancing Queen said:
tbf - the taxman will catch up with them. But yes I would report them to the tax office - why should people try to deceive the system?
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ditto on adding to the costs, add tax and vat oh and lets have a car on the bussiness a pension and then they need to add 50% to the cost of a casual lesson or coming in to muck out while you go away.. to make it worth the bother and to give the tax man a bite .... thanks!!! oh and sorry but if you pay cash in hand that money always goes back into the economy in the end and it oftern gets spent on something that helps someone else rather than being put in the bank!!! so unless they are realy taking the piss and making £1000s a week thenI say live and let live...
 
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perfect11s said:
ditto on the costs, add tax and vat oh and lets have a car on the bussiness a pension and then they need to add 50% to the cost of a casual lesson or coming in to muck out while you go away.. to make it worth the bother .... thanks!!! oh and sorry but if you pay cash in hand that money always goes back into the economy in the end and it oftern gets spent on something that helps someone else rather than being put in the bank!!! so unless they are realy taking the piss and making £1000s a week thenI say live and let live...
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I dont make £1000's a week and have to pay tax, have a car to run, insurance to pay for, mortgage to pay for etc etc. why should others get away with it? My money goes back into the economy. Not a very good argument really me thinks.
 
Not when you're doing all you can to make 20 pound a day so you can feed yourself and then someone wants to tax you on it. As someone who works in finance i know about tax and i hate it when people look to be scronging. If these grooms earn well and have a stable living then by all means report them, but i am sure most of them do not. Just be happy they are trying to work for their living rather than sit on their backside and claim benefits!
 
miss_molly said:
Just wondering? A few local "grooms" near me who advertise for paid work and have no insurance (I have enquired as a paying customer). Im assuming as no insurance then they also do not declare their earnings. Would you report them inlight of HMRC clamping down on this sort of thing?

Seems petty but why should some people pay all the correct taxes, insurance, NI etc and other just keep all they earn and not declare?
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Why would you make that assumption?
 
Nope. I don't have the time. So long as they're not claming benefits, it's not up to me; it's up to them to deal with Tax Man if they earn enough.

The insurance angle is a more difficult one to answer, and to deal with.
 
Kaylum said:
I dont make £1000's a week and have to pay tax, have a car to run, insurance to pay for, mortgage to pay for etc etc. why should others get away with it? My money goes back into the economy. Not a very good argument really me thinks.
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fine but make sure if you sell anything for a profit no matter how small or do jobs and get paid you declare it and file on your tax return!!!! and make sure you always use Vat reg instructors farriers etc supplyers of hay
and feed always ask for an vat invoice :D
 
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miss_molly said:
Just wondering? A few local "grooms" near me who advertise for paid work and have no insurance (I have enquired as a paying customer). Im assuming as no insurance then they also do not declare their earnings. Would you report them inlight of HMRC clamping down on this sort of thing?

Seems petty but why should some people pay all the correct taxes, insurance, NI etc and other just keep all they earn and not declare?
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No!
Mind your own buseness, and keep your nose out of others!
 
perfect11s said:
fine but make sure if you sell anything for a profit no matter how small or do jobs and get paid you declare it and file on your tax return!!!! and make sure you always use Vat reg instructors farriers etc supplyers of hay
and feed ask for an vat invoice :D
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Yes, and don't complain when they all put their prices up.
 
I'm a groom and I don't have insurance, I am not self employed though. As far as I know it has nothing to do with paying tax and NI. I think it is both extremely narrow minded and petty to make that assumption!
 
No, even if they were claiming benefits. Lots of people cheat the system in many, many ways and I don't feel it's my business to police it. Nor would I be happy to be responsible for someone ending up with a record.

I work hard for a low income and pay my taxes etc, but I've known people who "cheat" for all sorts of complex reasons. I personally don't judge them. I agree with the person who said live and let live.
 
Perfect 11,s you speak good common sense. People so often fail to understand the cash economy which is for many of the lowest paid, a buffer and safety net without having to rely on handouts from the state. It has also always been the economic driver which gets us out of a reccession (cnat spell:D ).Its not grandiose schemes of printing money that will get us out of the mess we are in ,but people working and trading. Anyway, just because someone has no insurance (which there is no requirement to have) doesnt meen they arent declaring their income.
 
Yes- they may not owe anythingg but if everybody contributed taxes would be lower as more money would be available. Why should I pay my taxes and person B not?
 
Kaylum said:
Yes cause you dont put the tax into the economy so why should you moan about the prices or the state of the NHS.
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everyone that is earning or working puts tax into the economy even if they are working cash in hand like I said if someone is suplementing their income with a little cash in hand Fine by me... but if they are making a good living and not paying a good lump of tax then thats not so good ...
 
SusieT said:
Yes- they may not owe anythingg but if everybody contributed taxes would be lower as more money would be available. Why should I pay my taxes and person B not?
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Exactly So why should people not pay tax when others on minimum wages are.
Get yourself a criminal record and you will find getting work even harder.
 
Mike007 said:
Perfect 11,s you speak good common sense. People so often fail to understand the cash economy which is for many of the lowest paid, a buffer and safety net without having to rely on handouts from the state. It has also always been the economic driver which gets us out of a reccession (cnat spell:D ).Its not grandiose schemes of printing money that will get us out of the mess we are in ,but people working and trading. Anyway, just because someone has no insurance (which there is no requirement to have) doesnt meen they arent declaring their income.
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Thanks.. sadly I think some of the posts on this thread are driven more by envy than common sense.....
 
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