Would you retire this mare?

Hormonal Filly

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I've been a bit absent from the forum, so first thing is hope everyone is doing well and glad Spring is on its way! 🙏

I've spoke a lot about my (now rising 8yr) mare on this forum.. and have found peoples feedback helpful. She is special to me having owned her since 3 and is a really lovely, kind mare.

Since a 5yo she has had a chip removed from her hock, a year later followed suspensory scans, MRI of her feet, x-rays of every single joint, nerve blocks pretty much everywhere, ulcer treatment. I've had 3 lameness vets look at her, the insurance paid out over £14,000..

In the last 2 years she was diagnosed with suspensory damage in 3 limbs, lameness vet suggested 12 months box rest in 2024. She had indiba and then I turned her away for 6 months in a herd.

New vet (forth opinion) had the gait analysis on her after time turned away but didn't detect any lameness. She suggested potential DSLD.. but her fetlocks have not dropped when standing which makes me think it can not be DSLD and after reading up on this, it sounds more likely PSD than DSLD.

That vet suggested light hacking 3-4 times a week and a friend of a friend (in her 70s) was looking for a light occasional hack at the time. She took her on loan after providing references and was only 10 miles away.

I visited her monthly but long story, the loaner did not stick to the contract. Rode her every day, ignored pain signs (refusing to trot) didn't keep her SI rug on and didn't inform me she was being badly bullied/kicked by her field mate. She also was diagnosed with liver damage and the loaner did not follow her vets advise. All of this was kept on the quiet until I managed to find out and I terminated the loan that day. I had a couple of friends tell me to PTS (and I agree, its not a bad decision) but for some reason with her I'm soft.. found a lovely field for her to be with a retired mare where she moved a couple of weeks ago. She is already perkier, trots over, ears forward and looks to be moving well. 💗

None of the vets ever found a reason for her behaviour, it was possibly could be this, that but nothing ever worked in all honesty. It all started in 2024 not wanting to move forward and not be able to canter right lead. I'd love a concrete answer...

My question is. Would you just retire this horse? Would you give her a year in the field and see how she is next year with some light hacking?

Thank you if you read all of that.. I still feel awfully guilty of the situation she was in!
 
If it were me I'd worry that EVERY little thing she did in work would be over analysed into "is she in pain, is she lame, should I be doing this", I would drive myself nuts with a horse with this history, so for me if she's happy in the field then that's what I'd do for her. Alternatively there's no harm in doing that for a year, let both of you recover emotionally and maybe physically and try again. I'm well aware that I'm probably too much of a softie though.
 
If it were me I'd worry that EVERY little thing she did in work would be over analysed into "is she in pain, is she lame, should I be doing this", I would drive myself nuts with a horse with this history, so for me if she's happy in the field then that's what I'd do for her. Alternatively there's no harm in doing that for a year, let both of you recover emotionally and maybe physically and try again. I'm well aware that I'm probably too much of a softie though.
This is probably what I would do.
 
I strongly believe that some horses just aren’t physically able to cope with work- generally they present with problems very young and there are many things going on at once. You will unlikely ever find the root cause and could spend a lot of money in the quest for answers.
I would certainly retire her and I wouldn’t feel bad for PTS if that wasn’t easy for you to do
 
Sorry the loan arra gement turned bad. Now you have her back id definately retire her. Give her year as a pasture ornament. Next year reasses things, she maybe suitable for light hacki g for you or it might be easier on you both to have her as a non ridden pet. Lots to do,i hand walks,horse agility. Just love and enjoy her. No pressure. I wish you and her well for ghe future.
 
I am so sorry you have had such a difficult time with her, and in particular that hideous loaner who only made everything worse for the mare and for you.

Personally, if she were mine and you are in the position to have her retired with you for her lifetime I would retire her. But, I would still be watching her closely after at least 6 months down the line to see if she does become sound enough for light hacking again. If she does I might then consider finding a loaner for light hacking, but they will still keep her with you to supervise her wellbeing on a daily basis.

If you are unable to do any of the suggestions then I would then very seriously consider PTS. You cannot guarantee a compromised horse's wellbeing if they cannot still be under your watchful eye on a daily basis.
 
Oh my god HF, your poor poor mare 😭 I would be doing a MURDER

I would give her a year, so long as she stays comfy in the field. Your guilt might not be necessary, all blame goes to that awful loaner, but it's still understandable. I don't think you'll regret giving her a bit of time to just be a horse and recover.
 
Thank you all x

I would still be watching her closely after at least 6 months down the line to see if she does become sound enough for light hacking again.

I wish she was lame.. she has never been lame, not even on the lameness detector last April. She has a lovely active walk, tracks up nicely in trot. She has always held her tail massively to one side which i think is telling.
Oh my god HF, your poor poor mare 😭 I would be doing a MURDER

:( I have been so emotional about it. You try to do your best by them, this horse has never had any expense spared and then she ended up in that situation.

I do agree with everyone PTS wouldn't be the wrong decision (and I'm usually quite cold in that respect) but she is so bonded to me. She canters over, always wickers. Even if I didn't see her for 4 weeks, always remembers. I've never had (or seen) a horse so bonded.
 
I do agree with everyone PTS wouldn't be the wrong decision (and I'm usually quite cold in that respect) but she is so bonded to me. She canters over, always wickers. Even if I didn't see her for 4 weeks, always remembers. I've never had (or seen) a horse so bonded.
If you don't want to PTS and you have the means to retire her then you can do what makes you happy as well. Don't think there is any doubt she would tell you and you would listen if the time comes she isn't happy.
 
I strongly believe that some horses just aren’t physically able to cope with work- generally they present with problems very young and there are many things going on at once. You will unlikely ever find the root cause and could spend a lot of money in the quest for answers.
I would certainly retire her and I wouldn’t feel bad for PTS if that wasn’t easy for you to do
I've got one of these! 16 now and barely been in work for a decade. Fully retired when I bought this yard 5 years ago. She's one of those horses I think would be fascinating post mortem material but nowadays she earns her keep as being horse #3 so I can take one of the others out.

I know she won't make old bones but I owed her a chance to retire. If it doesn't work though then you have to be realistic about how much £££ you can throw at investigations and PTS is never a bad call.
 
I also have one of these. A beautiful, gentle soul with not a bad bone in her body, but has been retired for about 12 years now. Again, no conclusive diagnosis for her, but recent X-rays now showing arthritis in lower legs- her previous problems were higher up, possibly somewhere in the shoulder area. She had fullback X-rays, treated for ulcers and ovaries scanned, all clear.
I don’t have my own place, and she has been retired in one or two different places, but always with me. Last year she looked to be so sound in the field that I wondered if, by the miracle of Mother Nature she had healed. She then had a bit of a prolonged hoolie in the field and went lame, which was when the arthritis was discovered.
I know if I didn’t have the funds that she would have to be PTS for peace of mind, but whilst I can see she’s enjoying life, she will remain a field ornament.
At 8 years old, this is so very sad for her nd you to be in this situation. Go with your gut and what funds will sensibly allow. It is those left behind that suffer when a horse is PTS,not the horse.💗
 
I would retire her and enjoy having a large pet, if she did well you could try riding gently especially if you have some nice hacking , nothing better than than a quiet plod with your horse in the nice weather or you could just take her out in hand a couple of times a week to give her another interest . PTS wouldn’t be the wrong call either if you feel it’s in her best interest… sorry you’ve had so much heartache but sounds like there’s no point in any more investigations
 
If you can afford to, retire. Enjoy the time you have together. Don't pressure yourself or worry about the what ifs. It is what it is!

Would she be sound enough to enjoy some in hand classes? Or maybe some in hand video shows? If you wanted to give her a 'job' and have fun together.
 
I agree with all the above.
You've done your very best.
You and your poor mare were badly let down by a really nasty person, but you acted as soon as you were aware.
You could give some time in the field to be happy, and PTS with no guilt at all.

Just a thought, and I am NOT in any way suggesting you do any more investigations, because IMO it wouldn't change anything, but when you said she has always carried her tail markedly to one side, I thought of transitional ribs and other wierd things vertabrael prcocesses can do, e.g.

 
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