Would You Say This Horse Is 'Scopey' [FINALLY working!!] take alook?

I haven't seen any videos, but still would word my "concerns" in a nicer way.. You can still word your concerns, and the message would come across much better if more constructive. Negativity puts people's backs up and often gets ignored, constructive criticism goes much further.

By the way I'm not being personal towards you particularly Puppy...
 
My horse will pop a 1.10 grid at home without batting an eyelid but a full, WIDE BS course is a whole other matter.

She's really very experienced but can be wimpy when the height goes up over 1.05 - tending to rush and hollow out.
I can't see your videos or pics from work but sounds similar :)

I've been working up slowly (really slowly!) and do 90cm classes now. Why rush when you can build confidence and experience over smaller courses but then I am a total wimp too haha

Good luck xxxx
 
Helloo. I can see that you are keen and enthusiastic, but! You asked peoples opinion on here I think because of the experience that they have. The first thing I am going to say is you cannot expect people not to pass judgement and not comment on your position. Sorry but if your position isn't up to scratch you greatly hinder the horse. So this is something you will definately need to work on. Secondly, there is no point in going straight into NC's and bypass the rest of the types of classes in BSJA you can do. The horse may well be able to jump 110 at home but it is a completely different ball game when you go out there and jump for real. The fences can come thick and fast ( especially indoors) with water trays, combinations and related distances.This is not something you can just go out and do, it comes with experience and training. The horse and the rider need to be balanced and ready for this type of competing. IMO you and the horse are not ready to embark on competing at this level. Get some lessons under your belt, flat work before jumping and start at local level first. This is what people do as a matter of course. It is the best way to start you and the horse.The last thing you want to do is rush and have the horse lose all its confidence.
 
I dont come on here v often nowadays. I have just remembered why. On looking at the photo's & I agree it is difficult with still's however I dont really see you doing too much wrong. Think the worst would have to be pic no 5 where you appear to be a bit left behind but at no point do you hang onto the mouth. Legs are reasonably stable, more to the point you are trying, & seem to both be enjoying yourself.
I think the question was is the pony scopey? In all honesty I dont think he is. His jump is too flat to be considered scopey. Apart from in 2nd pic where that type of fence helps the shape. But I do think you can go out have fun, & learn. Goog Luck & enjoy it.
 
I thought it might go someway to explain why the mare seems to stand off and jump from speed more often than actually use her hocks to get herself up in the air......
 
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If you all reckon the OP has such an awful position, I guess I'd better give up all my own aspirations of affiliating, there's definitely no hope for me. :rolleyes:
 
In answer to the original question - the only way to tell how much scope a horse has is to take it up through the grades. To enable you to do that will require a lot of work on your part. This is a conversation I had with my 15yo daughter who has just started jumping BSJA and gained a 3rd in BN on her second outing.
We were doing our usual SJ training and she was flying around (as usual :rolleyes: ) so I wacked one of the fences up from 1.12mtr to 1.30mtr and asked her if she would like to try that. Typical of her she jumped at the chance (excuse pun) yet despite having 3 attempts failed to clear it.
Daughter - "I cant seem to get over it and leave it up"
Me - "No you cant and you never will unless you change your focus from the jump to how you get your horse there"

My point is you can get away with a lot of mistakes at 1mtr and below. Above that correct training really starts to show.

You are at the same cross roads as my daughter. Its up to you which road you take. ;)
 
No, the OP doesn't have an awful position, she does, however, need to realise that jumping is all about balance on the flat.
She needs to train her eye a bit, find herself taking off in roughly the right place and slow down A LOT, otherwise she is going to stand on her head sooner or later and it won't even take a Newcomers class to do that;)
 
I think it is easy to convince yourself that you are ready for the bigger classes, as many have said there is alot of difference in playing around at home and jumping at affiliated level. Please drop back a level and start at BN or even unaffiliated for a while, it would be a shame if you rush the bigger classes and knock your or your horses confidence or even worse cause an injury. Your appear to have alot of ambition which is good but remember that even the big names started at the lower levels and will even now work very hard on their flatwork.
 
I just watched a few of the youtube videos and I think that the OP needs some more lessons really before she goes out competing, the basics are there and there is potential but there's something not quite right.

As someone else has said, start from scratch with some flatwork lessons and you will find that you will have better control and flair over a course of jumps.
 
Having watched the video, I would say there is little point in going bigger until you get it right at that sort of height - over a course that simple, because it isn't about height, it as much to do with complexity - the course on the video is a very simple riding school lesson type course. You need to get the horse into a rhythm, getting your own balance sorted, both of which are going to come from working on the flat, not jumping, and becoming a more confident competent rider - the 'refusal' for the fence wasn't so much a refusal as the horse not entirely knowing where you wanted it to go, the horse looking out, and you steering it around the same way on a circle - there is no reason, from that position, you couldn't get your leg on and take the horse over the fence from where it initially looked out - there was no need to do a circle like you did. Frankly, with fences as low as that the horse can jump them from a standstill if necessary. As you go up the levels, you have to be able to ride determindly at the fences on the course, and I just don't think you have the confidence in yourself or the horse to get around a built up course with the BSJA distances, combinations etc.
 
This pony is just about the hottest thing to sit on you will ever find. Very similar to Ebony and we worked long and hard on the flat before going anywhere with her. Looks easy? Take it from me, the rider dare not move a muscle and is just about the only one to be able to ride one side of her.

Here's a video of them schooling at home...sorry for the judders, it was done on a camera. (Small X at end is what they always finish over) She's 14.3 and jumping 1.15m (Seniors) with ease and success. The preparation has taken over a year and she was 11yo when she came to us. Always hot but not had any 'bad' riding beforehand.

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This pony is just about the hottest thing to sit on you will ever find. Very similar to Ebony and we worked long and hard on the flat before going anywhere with her. Looks easy? Take it from me, the rider dare not move a muscle and is just about the only one to be able to ride one side of her.

Here's a video of them schooling at home...sorry for the judders, it was done on a camera. (Small X at end is what they always finish over) She's 14.3 and jumping 1.15m (Seniors) with ease and success. The preparation has taken over a year and she was 11yo when she came to us. Always hot but not had any 'bad' riding beforehand.

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Beautiful, beautiful partnership :) :)
 
brighteyes is that the one that is full sibling to the one that marmalade went to see the other week?

Very smart... lovely vid excellent example of making it look effortless wish I could ride like that! :)
 
It's really hard to see scope from a photo, for example someone might post a pic of their horse jumping huge over a small fence, is this scope or just the horse spooking and not wanting to touch the poles which are also "tigers"?
As other have said whilst 1m10 is not a huge height a BS(JA) course will be full up to height and techincal.

Lovely horse btw, no cc on your position from me as I'm really ****.
 
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Thanks Puppy, that's a very big compliment indeed.
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We have had many offers for her for juniors as she does measure in but she is a very special girl, and will never be sold. It would break her fragile heart I think.

Ester - I am so embarrassed - it was a 'figure of speech' I was using.
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She could well be related to the pony marmalade went to see.

Thing about ours is she is sensitive and breakable, so couldn't be crashed through a jump, or tipped up and ever be expected to come back and be dared to a fence again. There are so very few good junior riders out there and she doesn't deserve a lesser rider than the one she has now.

He was VERY surprised at how smooth it looked - it felt completely different form where he was sitting! I have never videoed him riding her before, either!
 
She looks like a nice pony. Having jumped BSJA NC and above on a 15'1 though you should practice some doubles and combinations built on BSJA distances. My boy was incredible and could easily jump over 5' adn competed up to 1m40 before he was injured (not with me!) He had the jump, but when he was younger and less balanced he found the distances hard. He once put 2 strides in a 1 stride double at NC, luckily his ability got him out! My friends 15'2 however went really backwards after jumping NC as she really struggled with the distances, especially with the spreads as well. Have a go at BN and have fun.

Sorry got a bit long
 
As someone who struggles to get over more than 2ft these days I can't really comment I guess. It does look in some of the pics that he is at his max, though h ard to tell from stills and video taking an age to load.

Brighteyes - wow what a combination!! Seriously impressive and what a nice quiet rider. Would you like at Welsh pony to work wonders with? ;)
 
chestercharlie said:
If you were at Checkendon recently then probably not ready just yet......
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Video is definately at Checkendon- must get up to their next clear round day for some practice with my boys :)

OP- you need to sort out the flatwork to help you "see" a stride rather than the 2 of you rushing into the fence- yes i know, i can talk..

Here is a classic example of how wrong it can go (this was at checkendon too) if you allow yourself to get carted into bigger fences- it was Dex's first time SJ with me- i freely admit i'm poo at SJ (have won Newcomers 15 years ago but admitedly on a generous horse..)but never miss my turn hunting.. FWIW he is 14.3 attitude/muscle and i am 5'6" He tends to pi$$ off, grab the bit and run at his fences. the first round he was flat and lowered most of the poles, second round is better until he bogged off down the treple so i went back to redo it and he thought he could stand off and bank the middle spread... got back on and jumped it once more-clear then went home! had lessons twice a week and jumped a lovely round at Working Cobs at Oxfordshire County

http://www.youtube.com/user/wfhc#p/a/u/2/PbijlW_izps
 
Brighteyes - Such an amazing combination

People clearly would hate me and my pone as she does tend to rush and its something we have/are working on from last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cQtIb9hJiE but totally agree about distances as they are so different from unaffiliated competitions as with your rushing you'll find it even ahrder than to just siply ride the course :D
 
Brandy said:
As someone who struggles to get over more than 2ft these days I can't really comment I guess. It does look in some of the pics that he is at his max, though h ard to tell from stills and video taking an age to load.

Brighteyes - wow what a combination!! Seriously impressive and what a nice quiet rider. Would you like a Welsh pony to work wonders with? ;)
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Aye, why not!
 
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