Would you use this farrier?

[martlin]

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Yes but the angle of the foot is better in the first pics, its just the quality of the horn that is not as good, this can be helped with a hoof product or biotin ect.

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Agree 100%

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I'm in 2 minds about that... We don't see the photos from the same angle to start with AND the horse was sound and working well and then started to have problems...
It's all very good getting the angles better etc, but if it doesn't keep the horse sound and comfortable

 

[charlie76]

Just had a quick read of the orginial post and unless I am reading it wrong the horse isn't lame now, he was a while ago with bruised feet. The owner just isn't happy with how the horse has been shod.
IMO once the quality of the horn is sorted the horse has a far better chance of staying sound long term with how the feet look now rather than how they looked before.

 

[martlin]

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Just had a quick read of the orginial post and unless I am reading it wrong the horse isn't lame now, he was a while ago with bruised feet. The owner just isn't happy with how the horse has been shod.
IMO once the quality of the horn is sorted the horse has a far better chance of staying sound long term with how the feet look now rather than how they looked before.

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Fair enough... You see as I read it, the horse has been having constant problems since the apprentice started shoeing.

My advice still would be to take it up with main farrier, request him to shoe personally if the OP is not keen on the apprentice.

 

[charlie76]

I agree with speaking to the farrier and I wouldn't be happy with the apprentice doing the horse unsupervised, however, conformation wise they have made an improvement.
I would be more upset if the horses feet looked like they do in the 2nd pic.
I don't usually join in on these posts but having lost a horse at 7 yrs old to navicular with upright boxy feet I am obsessed with feet.

 

[Flame_]

OK, I think the feet looked better before, although they were at that time lacking heel support. If the horse had/has weak feet and it could have been landing heavily on its heels if its been having lameness problems, this is more likely to be the reason the feet look rough now than a current bad shoeing job, if that makes sense.

The farrier should have given a bit more heel support sooner, but he's at least doing it now. Otherwise I still think the problem's due to poor hoof quality and conformation.

 

[Kenzo]

Was your farrier fully supervising the apprentice when he shod your horse on the few occassions that he did him?

 

[Delta99]

No, the farrier was not supervising the apprentice and when I complained, he told me that the 'apprentice' was fully qualified. Also told me that feet had simply changed shape. To me, feet do not change without a reason.
And the second picture is taken from above so it's a different angle but I can assure you guys the feet were never 'boxy'! But at that point the heel was starting to get a bit better.
I will give the farrier a call to see what he says but in the meantime I have a different farrier coming out to do my new boy and will ask his opinion - with any luck he'll do a good job with the new boy and I can change to him.
Horse reacted to biotin, by the way, all 4 legs were like tree trunks, is there any alternatives?

 

[Kenzo]

I would be checking if the 'apprentice' was registered at the time, because if he wasn't he should not of been shoeing the horse (despite if he made a good or bad job) unless he was under close supervision.
If that is the case then no I would not be using that farrier, as he's not practicing how he should be, not only that he'd be a lair.

Hopefully that was not the case, besides its in the past now but my point is I'd want a farrier I can trust, I would get a second opinion on the matter but also discuss things with your current farrier so he also has a chance to explain things, no point running off to another farrier with half the story, if you know what I mean, otherwise its not fair.

I'm no farrier so I can't give any opinions on how the feet have been shod or for what reasons your current farrier has done them like that so would be unfair of me to comment on weather to continue with him or not.

Hope you get things resolved though.

 

[Ezme]

Cournucresine is like a miracle cream in my experience,just slap it on ever day and the changes are surprisingly quick

 

[Kenzo]

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Cournucresine is like a miracle cream in my experience,just slap it on ever day and the changes are surprisingly quick

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I agree, it's an oldy but a goldy, swear by biotin in the food as well, my horse had really crap feet when I got him, takes a while to turn them around but it does work.

 

[Taffster]

Apparently as the hoof takes approx 12 months to grow farriers formula would take a similar length of time to see a real improvement. He does seem to have quite poor feet on the first piccies, my tb also had poor feet however they always looked like they had been shod when the farrier had been. I'd probably go back to farriers formula (gold label do a cheaper version which i found was good) and have a word with your farrier in regards to what can be done to improve the current situation

 

[lannerch]

In answer to the original posters question NO I certainly would not.

I am surprised so many think it is a good job out of a bad situation.

If the foot is poor why is the farrier cramming 4 nails in! If he was more skilled 3 strategically higher placed nails would do the job better and cause less damage to the hoof wall.

Also if you run you hand down the side of the hoof is it a smooth fit, or can you feel too easily where the shoe is nailed onto the hoof.

That shoe to me does not look as if it fits the hoof and that is not including the fact the toe overlaps at the front!

 

[destiny11]

Can't see anything wrong with the shoeing tbh, shoe set back to help with breakover. Must say quite shocked at the amount of posters who say it is bad shoeing

 

[spaniel]

Im surprised too!

The quality of the hoof isnt that clever but the farrier has IMO shod well for a horse with flat feet. The heels are well supported, the walls are well supported and the breakover is beneficial to the tendons. Not the tidiest job but not awful.

If the apprentice did this unsupervised I wouldnt be happy but as an actual job its ok.

 

[lannerch]

All I can say is obviously a lot of you have bad farriers if you cannot spot this as bad!

 

[destiny11]

Lol, ok

 

[Zeus]

Awful!! I would be getting a new farrier.

 

[MistletoeMegan]

QR - for those who think it's such a bad job that you wouldn't use the farrier again, what don't you like about it?

Do you prefer the 'before' feet?

 

[lannerch]

I have answered that above however to furthur clarify [image]

[/image] I have posted an example imo of a well shod foot by a decent farrier, again a flat footed Tb with poor hoof quality, ie similar problems to op horse.

 

[lannerch]

and here is another [image]

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[destiny11]

I am sorry but the first one you have posted imo is awful, too long in the toe and no heel support

Edited too say - 2nd one - no heel support at all, shoe looks too small

 

[MistletoeMegan]

Where's the heel support?

 

[lannerch]

its the same foot in both fotos! just a different picture!!!

 

[lannerch]

the farrier went to the olympics carry on experts!

 

[destiny11]

Sorry, looks like one fore and then the other to me

 

[MistletoeMegan]

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the farrier went to the olympics carry on experts!

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Not sure why you're beginning to get a bit of a funny tone?

But, why do you think they're good feet?

That's why my post was asking - if people have different opinions of what constitutes a well-shod foot, why do they hold that opinion?

 

[lannerch]

may well be the two fore feet are identical though the camera angle is not.

 

[destiny11]

I am sorry but to me it looks like one is longer in the toe than the other, no need to get snotty, I have an opinion, so do you

 

[lannerch]

Read my post earlier!

The farrier is very well known remedial farrier who did go to beijing I still cannot believe you think the op posters shoeing is good are you a troll inwhich case I fell for it hook line and sinker.

 

[lannerch]

sorry it really is my camera angle and the fact I am on unlevel ground no not getting snotty

horse is a devil for pulling off his front shoes with his back so I am thankful the shoe is no longer! (pernamently wears overeach boots but still manages ) lanky legs and short back!