KatB
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Or can a horse be too careful to event? This horse is stunning and is for sale as an eventer, but would you be worried about how careful it is and whether this would cause a prob round XC courses?!
WOW! But would you say this is too careful...
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dingle12
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How old is he ? it could be down to him been green.
PaddyMonty
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Difficult to tell from the pic but i would question whether it is careful or just inexperienced? It looks from the pic as though it has taken off too early and is therefore trying to make the distance by keeping the same arc it normally would over a fence. Hence it has to go higher. Not really a good strategy over a parallel
If this is the case then yes it could be a problem over an XC course. You really need a horse to be on the ball and thinking about what it is doing. Bold can sometimes be bad if you get what I mean.
If I have got it completely wrong (highly possible) and it is just being careful then two possible problems for XC
1) Jumping like that uses a lot more energy and could result in the horse getting tired before the end.
2) Over jumping wastes a lot of time in the air and could make getting the time more difficult, particularly if you take point 1 in to consideration.
Nice looking horse though.
If this is the case then yes it could be a problem over an XC course. You really need a horse to be on the ball and thinking about what it is doing. Bold can sometimes be bad if you get what I mean.
If I have got it completely wrong (highly possible) and it is just being careful then two possible problems for XC
1) Jumping like that uses a lot more energy and could result in the horse getting tired before the end.
2) Over jumping wastes a lot of time in the air and could make getting the time more difficult, particularly if you take point 1 in to consideration.
Nice looking horse though.
Thistle
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Totally agree with the two answers above.
KatB
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The horse is 6 and been jumping upto Newcomers SJing and is ready to go BE....
Agree with your points though TF...
Agree with your points though TF...
sillygillyhorse
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Time faulter you put it beautifully, that sums it up for me. Agree though a nice looking horse and a picture like that used in an advert will get the phone ringing.
KatB
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Its not cheap though...and being sold as a potential eventer would expect to see better technique? Really is a nice horse though
PaddyMonty
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At 6 I wouldn't be too worried. It has a scopey jump so good for the future. It is possible it has been a little too controlled in its training and just needs to learn to think for itself a bit more. I would take it back a few levels for a while and let it learn to sort its stride out for itself. Then you could end up with a really nice horse with a good pop that will help out when the rider gets it a little worng.
Its not cheap though...and being sold as a potential eventer would expect to see better technique?
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At 6 I wouldn't be too worried. It has a scopey jump so good for the future. It is possible it has been a little too controlled in its training and just needs to learn to think for itself a bit more. I would take it back a few levels for a while and let it learn to sort its stride out for itself. Then you could end up with a really nice horse with a good pop that will help out when the rider gets it a little worng.
sillygillyhorse
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Do think he looks green but there will be someone who does not necessarily think that and be wowed by his big jump in the photo!
Bossanova
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Impossible to judge from one photo but it shows it is scopey, careful and has a nice look in its eye.
Mind you, for 14kish, you'd expect that!!
Mind you, for 14kish, you'd expect that!!
KatB
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LoL! Exactly Boss!!
JenHunt
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looks a very green babyish jump to me. he's understood that he's to get over it, but he hasn't quite got his balance and impulsion sorted to jump tidily yet.
seabiscuit
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I really think that picture looks soo photoshopped?!!
Tempi
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I agree, i dont think it was jumping that fence, more like going over a showjump and theyve photoshopped it to go over the xcountry fence........
kerilli
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looks pretty good to me, i wouldn't mind it! he's green, and i'd far rather they overjumped than underjumped at that point. it's one in a million that keeps overjumping (and they probably end up being top SJers!), most slowly get their eye in and put less effort in, in time. i'd call it good technique, his forearms are well up, his knees are together, his lower front legs aren't a perfect pair but that's pure greenness, i think... and i agree that he's been stood off the fence a bit. a bit more experience and he'll have excellent style... and i agree with the point above, there's nothing wrong with having that much scope for the horse to pull out of the bag if necessary xc...
hmm, if i win the lottery on saturday i might just go and grab him!
hmm, if i win the lottery on saturday i might just go and grab him!
KatB
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Would it change anyones thoughts if it had been hunting? Would you expect it to be less green?
Shilasdair
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Something looks wrong about the photo...she isn't dressed for XC...and the horse isn't looking where it should...
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CastleMouse
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There's just something "not right" about that photo tbh...
Tempi
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Something looks wrong about the photo...she isn't dressed for XC...and the horse isn't looking where it should...
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Exactly - to me she looks like shes jumping a showjump and so does the horse.
Something looks wrong about the photo...she isn't dressed for XC...and the horse isn't looking where it should...
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Exactly - to me she looks like shes jumping a showjump and so does the horse.
PaddyMonty
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Something looks wrong about the photo
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You could well be right. Just saved it to hard drive then opened it and zoomed in. There is a light fuzzy line tracing the outline of the horse but no where esle on the pic.
Something looks wrong about the photo
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You could well be right. Just saved it to hard drive then opened it and zoomed in. There is a light fuzzy line tracing the outline of the horse but no where esle on the pic.
Shilasdair
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You could well be right. Just saved it to hard drive then opened it and zoomed in. There is a light fuzzy line tracing the outline of the horse but no where esle on the pic.
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I'm pants with IT...but the horse isn't wearing XC gear is it? I couldn't see an overgirth...are it's boots taped?
The light on the horse looks wrong compared with the light on the jump....
Maybe it's a good SJer but not bold enough for XC?
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You could well be right. Just saved it to hard drive then opened it and zoomed in. There is a light fuzzy line tracing the outline of the horse but no where esle on the pic.
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I'm pants with IT...but the horse isn't wearing XC gear is it? I couldn't see an overgirth...are it's boots taped?
The light on the horse looks wrong compared with the light on the jump....
Maybe it's a good SJer but not bold enough for XC?
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KatB
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Something looks wrong about the photo
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You could well be right. Just saved it to hard drive then opened it and zoomed in. There is a light fuzzy line tracing the outline of the horse but no where esle on the pic.
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Ooh, I have to be honest, hadnt even thought of photoshopping being involved!!
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You could well be right. Just saved it to hard drive then opened it and zoomed in. There is a light fuzzy line tracing the outline of the horse but no where esle on the pic.
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Ooh, I have to be honest, hadnt even thought of photoshopping being involved!!
KatB
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Could just be schooling, and I never tape boots or use and overgirth for schooling....but am intrigued now!
H-J
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I never wear an over girth or tape boots at all!
Why would you photoshop though and try and sell it as an eventer? If it has done so well SJing why not just sell it as a SJer, doesnt make sense if it is photoshopped
Also dressage and SJer are worth more then eventers!!
Why would you photoshop though and try and sell it as an eventer? If it has done so well SJing why not just sell it as a SJer, doesnt make sense if it is photoshopped
Also dressage and SJer are worth more then eventers!!
Shilasdair
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I never wear an over girth or tape boots at all!
Why would you photoshop though and try and sell it as an eventer? If it has done so well SJing why not just sell it as a SJer, doesnt make sense if it is photoshopped
Also dressage and SJer are worth more then eventers!!
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Is she wearing a back protector?
Maybe it's the old...this horse won't go any further...so we'll drop it a level and say it has potential, but is green.
Who knows - it's simple though, go and see it and ask to see it XC school. For £14k I'd expect it to be all singing all dancing
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I never wear an over girth or tape boots at all!
Why would you photoshop though and try and sell it as an eventer? If it has done so well SJing why not just sell it as a SJer, doesnt make sense if it is photoshopped
Also dressage and SJer are worth more then eventers!!
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Is she wearing a back protector?
Maybe it's the old...this horse won't go any further...so we'll drop it a level and say it has potential, but is green.
Who knows - it's simple though, go and see it and ask to see it XC school. For £14k I'd expect it to be all singing all dancing
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kerilli
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i doubt anyone would bother photoshopping onto such a small fence, tbh... if you're going to go to the effort, you'd make it an enormous fence, surely? i don't believe it's photoshopped.
i don't use overgirths, tape boots, etc etc for schooling either. nothing to me looks wrong about the photo.
i don't use overgirths, tape boots, etc etc for schooling either. nothing to me looks wrong about the photo.
KatB
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I believe you have a very good point S, it is being sold on the Old P word...Potential!!
If I had 14k I would still be there in a shot!!
seabiscuit
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If you look closely it is definately wearing tendon boots on its front legs!
Who goes cross country schooling over large fences wearing tendon boots??
Who goes cross country schooling over large fences wearing tendon boots??
Bossanova
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Blimey, some people are FAR too suspicious!!!
Fwiw, Moon used to jump xc fences like this but it was never a struggle, she jumped very, very easily, it's just that she wasnt quite sure what might happen to her if she touched them!!
To me it shows athleticism from a content horse.
Fwiw, Moon used to jump xc fences like this but it was never a struggle, she jumped very, very easily, it's just that she wasnt quite sure what might happen to her if she touched them!!
To me it shows athleticism from a content horse.
Shilasdair
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i doubt anyone would bother photoshopping onto such a small fence, tbh... if you're going to go to the effort, you'd make it an enormous fence, surely? i don't believe it's photoshopped.
i don't use overgirths, tape boots, etc etc for schooling either. nothing to me looks wrong about the photo.
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I don't know why someone would bother...but it still looks 'wrong' to me - the jump looks too large, and the horse looks disproportionately small, and in a strange place in relation to the jump.
Photoshopping is so easily done.
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i doubt anyone would bother photoshopping onto such a small fence, tbh... if you're going to go to the effort, you'd make it an enormous fence, surely? i don't believe it's photoshopped.
i don't use overgirths, tape boots, etc etc for schooling either. nothing to me looks wrong about the photo.
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I don't know why someone would bother...but it still looks 'wrong' to me - the jump looks too large, and the horse looks disproportionately small, and in a strange place in relation to the jump.
Photoshopping is so easily done.
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