WOW! God bless these people

I have got one of the french meat horses and live in the UK.

Does anyone have a problem with that?

I made a difference to this horses life. The way these horses are treated is no different to jews during Hitler's reign!

From the little I have read here you guys should be ashamed! No wonder such cruelty goes on unchecked.
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This reply is to Tia, not Dusty as quoted on the post bar......

I was replying to the person who quoted you, your post was left for reference.......again, reread it.....
The ILPH has been working to change the EU laws for a long time, and have succeeded to quite an extent. Perhaps that is one of the reasons the trade from Rumania dropped off. I think that is a good thing, it shows that the situation is changing. Sadly you seem to think it merely pointscoring.
But the trade has increased from Spain. I was not selective in my quote for any reason other than it was relevant to Dept. 41.

Oddly you seem to agree with me on some quotes, although you are putting it in aggressive terms.

Buying these horses is raising awareness and saving their particular lives. It is not increasing the amount slaughtered, he just sends less to Spain.
But the profile of the campaign is being raised which is what the ILPH want, and guess what, we're doing that. And if they succeed in reducing the transit times, then the long horror journeys will disappear, and don't you think that is worth doing??

I don't profess to be any kind of economic genius. I have no idea how the meat trade operates in your country. But I would certainly not begin to knock anyone trying to make life kinder for these horses that end up as meat over there.
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But hey, you can sit back and do nothing and rip the piss out of those that are doing something, and I hope that makes your day feel good.
 
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Buying these horses is raising awareness and saving their particular lives. It is not increasing the amount slaughtered, he just sends less to Spain.


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Sorry, Spain should have read Italy........
 
can I point out that my oh who is a transporter, took 2 horses from Alessandria in northern Italy to Paris 2 weeks ago. It took him 8 hours drive with 3 stops for piddle/coffee etc. France is not on the Black Continent, its just down the bloody road from here!
One of the largest equine slaughter houses is in Brecia which is about one and a half hours drive from here! So if my oh can do from Paris to here in 8 hours and from here to Brescia in 90 mins...by my calculations it means that no horses from France to Italy is doing 24 hours non stop. It is the trucks which arrive from the eastern countries which should be worrying you all on the IH forum, but I see no reference to them!
 
The link is to let you see what these people think of HHo members.
I made the mistake of asking advice from them a long time ago regarding sedating a horse-never again! I was more or less read the riot act
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Do the ones from the Eastern countries stop off at France?

Probably its these ones in France that are stirring up so much emotions because they have been highlighted more..but I dont think that means that anybody who cares about them..cares any less about the ones from the eastern countries.
I would imagine that by trying to make this situation more aware to the general public and by supporting the campaign to stop live transport to slaughter...they do worry about all the horses..not just the ones who go to Italy from France via Spain.

If it is the trucks coming in from the Eastern countries which are the biggest problem..and you being in Italy and able to inform people more on the subject..why dont you do this in a nice way..I am sure these people would have thanked you for that.

Instead..because you dont agree with what they have done...you chose like so many others to put them down.
 
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The link is to let you see what these people think of HHo members.

Now that would mean that it was thought of ALL H&H members..not so..just the ones who come across as being like that.
 
Why on earth would they come to Italy from France VIA SPAIN? Its like saying that horses from Cumbria go to Scotland VIA WALES!!
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Ditto re the eastern block horses. Un Pomme de terre, deux pomme de terre......
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Well arent these particular horses coming from Spain into France and then on to Italy?

I asked if the horses went to France from the eastern countries..purely becaues I knew they didnt..but you in your great rush to be sarcastic and ever so clever..you missed that.
had you been as intelligent as you think you are..you would have known exactly what I meant.

Mind you "you cannot educate a cabbage"
I see you already have an affinity with vegetables
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can I point out that my oh who is a transporter, took 2 horses from Alessandria in northern Italy to Paris 2 weeks ago. It took him 8 hours drive with 3 stops for piddle/coffee etc. France is not on the Black Continent, its just down the bloody road from here!
One of the largest equine slaughter houses is in Brecia which is about one and a half hours drive from here! So if my oh can do from Paris to here in 8 hours and from here to Brescia in 90 mins...by my calculations it means that no horses from France to Italy is doing 24 hours non stop. It is the trucks which arrive from the eastern countries which should be worrying you all on the IH forum, but I see no reference to them!

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And do you think that all the horses originate from Paris? It takes nearly nine hours from the Spanish border to Paris. Never mind the stops and starts and detours to collect more.
You really are being deliberately obtuse.
And if your OH is a horse transporter, I'd hope he has more respect for horses than you do in comparing them to potatoes.
If you can clamber off your ego for a moment and read the ILPH site, you might grasp a fraction of what we're talking about.
But then you obviously feel you are far better informed than an international body set up to help stop equine suffering across the globe.
You really do beggar belief..........
 
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I cant understand either why people think it is a scam and that the transporters are involved..the people buying these horses contacted many transporters for quotes and then made a choice..a lot also depended on who was where and at what time.

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They may have obtained quotes, but did they check out the transporters thouroughly? You can't believe all that you read
 
What's wrong with you people????

What exactly is the problem with people buying these horses en route for slaughter in the hope of giving them some kind of life and highlighting the plight of these horses on an open forum and in so doing making people aware?????
 
Of course I dont think that they all leave from Paris-I was trying to point out that France isnt exactly the size of the USA and that it would be difficult for any truck to take 24 hours or more to arrive in Italy if the starting point is France. Correct me if Im wrong but wasnt this whole thing about the Dept 41 horses? If so, what are you all wittering on about? If these horses are leaving from these fattening farms they have obviously stopped there to be fattened which usually doesnt take overnight so none of them are facing trips of 24 hours plus to get to Italy.
Likening them to potatoes was to simplify the concept , If you cant see this for yourself then you have serious problems
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I dont think it matters if it is 24 hours or not..they are still suffering during the journey and then treated callously at the end.
Likening them to potatoes to simplify the concept...now THATS weird.
 
I certainly didn't suggest that France was the size of the USA. Please don't put words into my mouth.
What I did say was that you also have to take into account the stops and detours. It is also not a given that they go to the slaughterhouse near you. Southern Italy is a long way down. It is also much hotter, and I imagine there is a demand for well covered horses to be transported there.
Horses from the UK destined for meat went to be slaughtered in Toulouse, in the very south of France. Why? I don't know, but they did, driving past a major slaughterhouse in Bordeaux en route and adding another 5 hours to the journey.
Do you know for a fact that they are all slaughtered in Brecia? If not, your statement bears no weight.
I think someone paralleling horses with potatoes has more problems than someone who finds it distasteful.
Anyway, why are you bothering? You're doing SFA to support the campaign..........then again, maybe if you are transporters you make money out of these horses too ..........
 
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Can one of the people who has joined from the IH site in order to hate everyone on HHO please explain what on earth you want everyone to say?

Having ploughed my way through this thread, it appears that someone called Nuffield posted a thread saying aren't we all wonderful saving French meat horses -- an extremely noble sentiment, although i do wonder what people are letting themselves in for -- then as soon as anyone disagreed or questioned this campaign, all Nuffield's buddies leapt into action on both forums making out that everyone here is the spawn of the devil.

May I ask why on earth this post was made in the first place?
 
Having posted earlier I suppose I am therefore being reffered to as one of Nuffields buddies!!!! I don't know a soul on here let alone who Nuffield is!! I was merely expressing my own view on the subject.

Why is everyone so angry if you don't support the campaign what is the point in knocking others that do. I really can't see what you are trying to achieve and surely the post was started with good intention as some people are actually interested in the campaign.

I only hope it generates more support from those that are actually interested in animal welfare and are open to hearing the facts!!
 
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Can one of the people who has joined from the IH site in order to hate everyone on HHO please explain what on earth you want everyone to say?

I don't particulary "WANT" anyone to say anything.

Having ploughed my way through this thread, it appears that someone called Nuffield posted a thread saying aren't we all wonderful saving French meat horses -- an extremely noble sentiment, although i do wonder what people are letting themselves in for -- then as soon as anyone disagreed or questioned this campaign, all Nuffield's buddies leapt into action on both forums making out that everyone here is the spawn of the devil.

I must say I never noticed that..some disagreement along with the discussion and perhaps some sarcasm and a little petty insults thrown in for good measure ..but I will go and reread.

May I ask why on earth this post was made in the first place?

You really don't know????????
 
I do not know who Nuffield is either, or watakerfuffle for that matter
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I cannot speak for the others but we have rescued an older mare, who looks to have ringbone and is mildly lame. Apart from that and a good de-louse she is so sweet. She will be a companion with no expectations on her. She will live out 24/7 with the herd and hopefully live out her days without fear and in good company.

The lady who lives in Italy is clearly upset because she wants some horse to go with her fries and we ahve brought the recent lot to the UK instead :P
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I wonder what good all this money that is rescueing the horses, could do put towards the ilph campaign?

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As I'll be raising at least the cost of mine or more, and have said as much countless times, what are you doing for the campaign?
 
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Comparing horses to potatoes obviously signals massive mental disability (not). Perhaps an attempt to simplify it for zealots

LOL Thanks for that you have brightened up what looked like being an otherwise dull day!
One happy zealot now!!!
 
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Sadly you seem to think it merely pointscoring.


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Oh for goodness sake......do grow up.
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Oddly you seem to agree with me on some quotes, although you are putting it in aggressive terms

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Why would that be odd? What a very odd thing to say..... and as for me putting words in aggressive terms, can you point me to WHERE I have been remotely aggressive? I don't think so.

I think it may be time for you to do exactly what you have consistently made snide comments about what I should do.....YOU go and re-read!
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Please don't pressume anything about someone you know absolutely nothing about. Perhaps if you go back and re-read you will see that your comment above is once again, incorrect.

Any point-scoring going on, is most certainly from your end. Why, I have no idea, but I am certainly comfortable with what I do, therefore I have no reason to point-score.

One thing I can be categorically correct on is this; you and your cronies buying a handful of meat horses will NOT change Laws. You are saving nothing I'm afraid - you are in essence, fueling the situation. Every penny you pay to buy up a couple of horses funds the purchase of another couple of horses by the feedlot buyer. You could buy a hundred horses - guaranteed there will be a hundred more to take their place.
 
I've said all I need to say on the horses and the campaign. I'm not repeating myself again, and I am not going to be baited into a slanging match.
I have worked with in the past and am working again with the ILPH to raise funds for the campaign, and they do not consider saving horses to be fuelling the situation.

I'll take my guidance from them.
I respect what they are doing, and the fact they are doing something.
 
Then I must belong to a different ILPH than you - because never have I, in all the years, ever seen them advocate or encourage people to buy foreign meat horses. Yes they have always encouraged people to petition, yes they have always desired people to fund raise....but suggesting people go out and buy one of these meat horses?

One thing which really does interest me though - Nuffield is continuing to advertise these horses and donkeys for sale; are you claiming that the website that she keeps posting is related to ILPH in some way? It appears that you are endorsing these business ventures and linking them with ILPH....this I find incredibly misleading.... can you clarify the Registered Charity Number of this "company" and can you point me in the direction of where ILPH suggests people should buy from this company please?

Just for the record, there is certainly no slanging match going on from my corner. If you choose to have slanging matches and enjoy point-scoring then that is your prerogative. I am having a conversation; pure and simple.
 
I'm not Nuffield. Ask him/her yourself.

And read what's been written.........at no point was it suggested that the ILPH recommended any horse buying or site supporting.

They do not consider saving horses to be fuelling the situation.
 
Glad to hear you are raising the same amount. I haven't seen you say it, so consider me informed.
Again, I point out the difference in price, therefore making this trade more financially viable as they havea backup
 
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