Wwyd buy loan or send it back

Irrespective of whether you think he's worth the money she's asking (and you've sat your children on an unbroken ponies back and he hasn't tried to launch them into orbit...) you should have had his teeth checked before you put a bit anywhere near his mouth. Just because you don't own him does not make you exempt from his routine needs, you knew the costs of upkeep when you took him on loan, therefore you can't complain that you'd have spent x amount after the sale price as that's an amount you should have been paying regardless.
 
I don't think you really want him and should just send the poor guy back.

You've not really said anything positive about him and seem to just be looking for a reason to return him whether thats price, his wall eye, not being able to compete highly.. Etc.

Sounds to me like your here trying to justify sending him back rather than wanting to buy him tbh. I don't know that's just the feeling I get from your posts.

I hope the ponies teeth do get sorted for his sake rather than money's sake. I'd send him back and buy something your actually positive about.
 
Just curious... you took the pony on as an unbroken companion pony, does the own know that you are partially breaking it? If not and I was the owner then I'd be pretty miffe especially if it's being funny with it's mouth and biting. I would not be too impressed to have debated on an open forum either to be honest. Sorry just my opinion.
 
I have said earlier that the owner knows. I do actually like the pony and am prepared to put the time and money into him but not at the price that the owner - not breeder wants. As there are plenty of ponies out there equally as nice. What I'm trying to establish is am offer of a price to buy him, sort his teeth, vacs etc. The owner is begging for hay money so do not invisiage he will be having anything done of he goes back.
 
Well then offer the price your willing to pay and if she's not willing accept it then you know to return him? I'm not sure what else we can say we can't see him or know what said pony is like so can't offer any real advice here..

You know what your willing to pay so not sure why your going around the houses with it, just say 'I'm willing to offer you X for the pony' if no return, if yes get ponies teeth done ASAP. (Although I'd get them done regardless).
 
wallykissmas said:
I have said earlier that the owner knows. I do actually like the pony and am prepared to put the time and money into him but not at the price that the owner - not breeder wants. As there are plenty of ponies out there equally as nice. What I'm trying to establish is am offer of a price to buy him, sort his teeth, vacs etc. The owner is begging for hay money so do not invisiage he will be having anything done of he goes back.
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Personally I'd say that you can't factor having his teeth done into bartering the price of the pony. As the loaner you should have had it done, especially before you started hitting him. Vacs, well yes he should have been vaccinated before you got him, but you did take him on knowing he wasn't vaccinated. If it was me and I knew he needed vaccinating before I took him on loan it would have factored into the decision of whether I wanted to loan him or not. It would have been the first thing id have had done when I got him home.
 
OK lets turn this on its head, the pony if funny with the bit-get his teeth checked BEFORE you put an offer in to rule out any expensive issues with his mouth.

BUT TBH if you are quibbling about £45 for a dental check/rasp for a pony you have had the use of for 6 months then do you have the money to take this pony on full time and long term?
 
poor OP took pony on as a companion, then finds owner really wants to sell it...now is getting a hard time on here.
I picked a nice 2y.o. pony out of a field to "mess about with", and I did all the right things, but not teeth as that was not an issue.......... owner took him back, he was a stunner, won local show in hand [champion].
I wanted him to go to the county show, but they did not have a clue, kinda prodded him, not sure what that was about!
Said he was really easy to break [err yes I had done everything except back him], but he never got to the County Show,,,,,,,,,, they had plenty of ponies, and ran a sort of riding school, so they put him to work pretty much straight away........... legal? .....NOT
 
He sounds a lovely chap to me and as many have said his teeth should definitely be done to rule out problems. But I find it fairly weird that you have to ask on a forum how much do you think he's worth. How long is a piece of string ............ he's worth what you are prepared to pay for him, which is not a lot. It's such a shame that so many people seem to want something for nothing these days. A lot of people would easily spend £100 on their weekly shopping - or mobile phone - or a visit to a theme park, and people definitely spend a good few hundred pounds on a designer puppy. Yet you only want to spend £100 on a nice little pony who is already good with children......
You obviously don't want to keep him now as a companion as I guess you feel the work you are putting into him should be paid for, though this is the sort of general handling that most experienced horsey people would do as a matter of course so they end up with a willing and ridden pony. There seems to be only one answer which is offer the owner the £100 you seem to think he is worth, if the answer is no then you send him straight back as you seem to think it's not worth putting in more effort or spending any money on him. I really hope he finds a nice home.
 
As he is on loan surely its your responsibility to have his teeth done anyway so then it is actually not an extra cost!!

'He will accept a saddle and child on but hates the bit so much that I think he needs his teeth checking-I will do that if I buy.'
 
wallykissmas said:
I have said earlier that the owner knows. I do actually like the pony and am prepared to put the time and money into him but not at the price that the owner - not breeder wants. As there are plenty of ponies out there equally as nice. What I'm trying to establish is am offer of a price to buy him, sort his teeth, vacs etc. The owner is begging for hay money so do not invisiage he will be having anything done of he goes back.
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I don't actually think the owner is too far off the mark. Yes there are lots of nice ponies out there. But why look for another one, when you have a perfectly nice one at home already?

His teeth and vacs are irrelevant to the price, as these are things I would have expected you, as his loaner, to have covered already.
 
Can I ask where you got this pony from? as the set up you have described sounds like a rescue centre I know, if it is the same place the money she gets from selling/re-homing ponies goes towards gelding, and feeding others. This might not be the same place, and the way you're talking about this pony I truly hope its not!
 
Gloi said:
Send back, unless the price gets dropped right down. You could get a ready made pony for that.
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What "ready made" pony can you get for £400?? In the past I've bought project ponies for £500 and all I could get for that were unbacked and quite unhandled scruffy neds off a hillside!

OP, I don't think a 3yo is very suitable for your kids? I don't think you're too experienced either as you mention the pony being unbacked yet you stick your kid on it regularly, at 3 it also won't be very used to a bit I wouldn't think especially if its not been properly backed which sounds to be the case. I don't think teeth are necessarily the first thing I'd jump to as the issue here. You also say the pony "isn't really that great" so TBH it sounds like you don't exactly like the pony! So send it back and get something more suitable that you do like?

Also, as others have said - as the loanee its sort of up to you to have got his vaccs, teeth etc. done anyway?
 
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The owners are only wanting a measly amount of cash to buy hay not whizz round the world on a cruise. He sounds a cracking little chap with a heart of gold. That alone is worth £400 any day of the week IMO.

I was led to believe that loaning was the same responsibility as owning, if he had a veterinary emergency would you send back rather than sort him out?
 
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