WWYD - Giving up horses & selling everything!

[Moonpig23]

Sorry for another 'how much would you pay' thread but due to big life changes & after years of ownership & battling cold winters, I've decided to give it all up, sell everything & go back to regular lessons until life allows me to afford & have time for another horse. It's heartbreaking but definitely the right decision for me and my horse at this point. I have a lovely loaner who is interested in buying my horse so I know she'll be loved and looked after but I need to come up with a price for her. Mare, rising 15yo, 15hh, an allrounder but does have side bone, which hasn't really been an issue but would obviously show up on a vetting if anyone else was to buy her.

I also have an Ifor Williams 511, I believe it is 1997, with an aluminium floor but has been sat for a year doing nothing. It looks fine to me, maybe one panel a little spongey at the bottom but wouldn't affect use. Again, no idea how much to price this at?

Any advice on how to price any of the above super welcome. The rest of my 'stable & horse stuff' will probably be gifted with horse or donated.

Thanks so much!

 

[TheMule]

If you know she's going to have a lovely home then I'd offer her well below market value to her loaner

 

[dottylottie]

i just paid 2k for a 2004 ifor williams 505, as an estimate. most of the trailers i saw around the age of yours were between £1500 and £2000, but for the sake of £80-£90 i think it’s worth getting it serviced before you sell, and you should get a bit more for it!

 

[Moonpig23]

i just paid 2k for a 2004 ifor williams 505, as an estimate. most of the trailers i saw around the age of yours were between £1500 and £2000, but for the sake of £80-£90 i think it’s worth getting it serviced before you sell, and you should get a bit more for it!

Thanks for your reply, that's a good suggestion on servicing!

 

[Moonpig23]

If you know she's going to have a lovely home then I'd offer her well below market value to her loaner

Yeah, I intend to, just don't know what the current market is like. I have a couple of other options if my loaner decides she isn't quite what she wants to buy, I know she was looking for something a bit younger.

 

[dottylottie]

Thanks for your reply, that's a good suggestion on servicing!

i know i would’ve been willing to pay a bit more for the piece of mind - luckily for me, but unfortunately for her, mine was only being sold as previous owners car had just clunked out on her, so it was in regular use.

 

[Moonpig23]

Yeah, I intend to, just don't know what the current market is like. I have a couple of other options if my loaner decides she isn't quite what she wants to buy, I know she was looking for something a bit younger.

But I do need to give her a price! So, what do you think market value is and what would you sell her to someone you knew for? She's regularly hacked, will jump, has gone out and done a few small XC courses last summer.

 

[tda]

I sold my Ifor Williams 505 just over a year ago, I think it was 2006 maybe with one very slightly soft rear panel. I got £2500 for it, they do hold their value. They got a good deal, I'd just had a full service brakes etc that cost £800

 

[tda]

But I do need to give her a price! So, what do you think market value is and what would you sell her to someone you knew for? She's regularly hacked, will jump, has gone out and done a few small XC courses last summer.

£3000?

 

[Flowerofthefen]

But I do need to give her a price! So, what do you think market value is and what would you sell her to someone you knew for? She's regularly hacked, will jump, has gone out and done a few small XC courses last summer.

Has sharer got a figure in mind? Trailers round here are selling like hot cakes. I would get it serviced and ask around £3000. You can always drop it.

 

[paddy555]

But I do need to give her a price! So, what do you think market value is and what would you sell her to someone you knew for? She's regularly hacked, will jump, has gone out and done a few small XC courses last summer.

I would find out from the loaner if she was really interested to start with. Also I would be considering how much the loaner was likely to be able to pay and how much you would be willing to sell below MV to give the mare a good home.

If you go for mv then you may lose the sale and be left with selling her yourself to anyone with whatever home they offer and the buyer will knock the price down with sidebone.

For me I would reduce the price sufficiently so that the loaner would be able to buy and take the loss on mv myself to get a good home. If it was a nice loaner you are able to discuss it with I would probably start at £2500 and tell them I would be throwing in the tack/rugs etc and see what they say.

 

[splashgirl45]

I just looked on family friends on horsequest to get an idea and it seems that £2000 to £3000 would be a rough guide. It depends if the loaner would give her a forever home , if so I would suggest the lower figure and see what she says . Hope you manage to find her a good home

 

[santas_spotty_pony]

I just looked on family friends on horsequest to get an idea and it seems that £2000 to £3000 would be a rough guide. It depends if the loaner would give her a forever home , if so I would suggest the lower figure and see what she says . Hope you manage to find her a good home

This. If she’s going to a good home I’d be more concerned about that than market value but the price above sounds an accurate price.

 

[SOS]

Not sure about the horse but I am fairly sure the Ifor 511 didn’t come about until 2008ish… you probably have a 510. But great news they hold their value and remember are the larger version than the 505/506 so worth more.

I paid £2000 for mine probably 5 or 6 years ago and a quick FB search shows them at £2500-3000. Don’t under price your trailer, they normally sell very easily.

 

[Jambarissa]

Check completed prices on ebay for your trailer, it's probably a 510 at that age. If you call ifor Williams with the chassis number they'll tell you the manufacturing date and if you don't still have the paperwork they can issue new.

The horse, a nice all-rounder of that age I'd advertise at £4k but £3k seems reasonable, I'd drop to 2k to get a good home. Assuming the loaner is serious ask her to look online for an equivalent horse so she's abreast of prices.

 

[teacups]

I've seen nice allrounders age 14 or 15 (or 16 or 17)advertised for £5K plus, easily. No knowledge of how much price affected by the sidebone.

There is a recent thread discussing budget where someone had a friend looking for a horse - criteria were very different to the one you are selling but it would be a useful read for you. I can't remember whose thread it was! Criteria were 13-14 hh cob, green/just broken.

ETA £3K may well be a reasonable price for your horse - especially if the home is a good one. An attractive price may make your loaner remember that a known quantity is well worth having (plus horse prices for younger good allrounders are much, much higher) and young horses develop issues too.
On the other hand you wouldn't want it so low that she could easily be sold on for a profit quite quickly - but your loaner may not be that kind of person.
Looked up that thread for you:

Horse prices- low end

I’ve been accompanying a friend horse shopping for the last few months and we were having a discussion about prices after yet another disappointing viewing. Friend wants a little project- 13-14hh (cob, cob x, native type ideally) She doesn’t want a world beater and would prefer backed or just...

forums.horseandhound.co.uk

 

[TGM]

Just be aware that whilst your loaner might be offering an excellent home, you can never guarantee a 'forever home'. If you let the horse be sold for substantially less than market value, would you be upset if the new owner subsequently sold her at a higher price? It does actually happen quite a bit in these kind of scenarios and especially if you feel the current loaner really wants something younger, then it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for that to happen.

 

[Abacus]

I recently sold a nice 15.2 cob mare, 15 years old, for £3.5k. She was low mileage but did a bit of everything and was healthy, so I would think you may be looking at less than that on the open market with the sidebone. If you’re including all tack and rugs etc maybe £3k?

 

[SantaVera]

I'd look on Preloved and other sites at trailers of a similar age for pricing. Regarding your horse, ask the loaner what she wants to pay for her, I'm thinking around 2k sounds about right at least asking will open up negotiations and discussion.

 

[cauda equina]

About the sidebone - does it seem to be causing problems, or was it an incidental finding when xraying for something else?
My understanding is it's a common thing in older cobby types and doesn't usually cause lameness so I'm not sure how much it should affect her value

 

[Dontforgetaboutme]

If she’s a safe hack, has a nice temperament & can do a bit of everything I think she’d be easy enough to sell for a decent price as a low level all rounder. Height is what people are after. At that age I’d expect some changes so as long as she’s not lame with it it’s then maybe 4k without tack. Tack & rugs will probably be £500-1000 extra. So £3.5k inc wardrobe to her loaner if you want her to go to her?

 

[eahotson]

If you know she's going to have a lovely home then I'd offer her well below market value to her loaner

Me too

 

[Moonpig23]

Thanks everyone! She has been sold to my loaner / friend who is giving her a forever home, at a price we both thought was reasonable. I’m sure I could’ve got more £ if I’d listed her for sale, but the home was definitely more important to me.

Her new owner has got a lovely horse that is already known to her and I’m happy that my mare is in a good home.

 

[paddy555]

Thanks everyone! She has been sold to my loaner / friend who is giving her a forever home, at a price we both thought was reasonable. I’m sure I could’ve got more £ if I’d listed her for sale, but the home was definitely more important to me.

Her new owner has got a lovely horse that is already known to her and I’m happy that my mare is in a good home.

well done, happy day for all three of you. Lucky mare.

 

[Moonpig23]

well done, happy day for all three of you. Lucky mare.

Thank you, that’s kind

 

[splashgirl45]

Great news, at least you know who she has gone to and she will be looked after.. it’s so nice that you didn’t have to advertise and let her go to a stranger

 

[Fjord]

That's a brilliant solution all round!