WWYD? if you thought someone was hitting your horse

I had a suspiscion that someone was hitting my horse over the stable door last winter, the livery next door. I made a point of telling everyone on the yard that my horse had become headshy and to watch out for anyone hitting him. :D

But your situation is slightly different, as there is only one person it could be. And you have seen her with a schooling whip coming back from the field.

Personally, I would have asked her why she had the schooling whip with her to bring in. I can't really see that she could have come up with a valid reason for having it apart from to scare off your horse. Then explain to her that she cannot go around threatening horses with whips! If it carries on, then I'd go to the YM. In fact, I'd probably tell my YM just after I said something to her.
 
I would try and go down at the time when she normally brings her horse in, and sneaky try and catch her in the act, I'd also try film her on my phone or something as proof to show to the YO. At which point if she did anything I would go mental!

If it's not possible to catch her in the act then I would ask her straight out, and see what her answer is.
 
I haven't read through all of this so may have missed it but could your boy be dripping with sweat because he has been running around once his 'companion' has been taken in leaving him on his own?

I would like to think she isn't hitting your boy with her schooling whip but can't imagine she would have been able to hit him too much as I would have thought he would have moved away pretty sharpish after the first whack. Has he got whip marks on him?
 
I can understand your concern, where I keep my horses a teen kept her two mares, these mares were very bolshy and would come looking and bullying for food as soon as you set foot in the field, I never gave them anything they were after my horses feed. They would kick seven kinds of **** out of my horses and charge me & my daughter. I took a schooling whip with me and waved it at them..it was all they needed to keep away... This teen saw me with the whip and spread it around that 'someone had been whipping her mares' leaving huge whip marks on them and chasing them. I had done no such thing and wouldn't need to anyway, I was mortified. This girl moved yards, I found out later she was a serial stirrer and fell out with everyone she met, she's now on her fifth yard and moving again.
 
Well, an update. Spoke to yo this morning and she said shed noticed her carrying a whip with her. I moved his gate and fence further back this morning so there is absolutely NO NEED whatsoever for her to need a whip- there's ample room to take 3 horses in a row to the gate! So we shall see from here ...
 
Orls said:
There is never a valid reason to hit a horse like this. If she is nervous of him coming near her in the field she should have discussed how to deal with him with you, or if that was not possible carried a rope or lunge line to send him away, never a whip. Those schooling whips in partiular are nasty as can cut if used hard enough.

I would be making a formal complaint to the YO, in writing even and would not stop bothering him or her about it until this situation had been resolved.
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I am sorry but any one making a written complaint because they saw someone carrying a whip is going to look like a prize idiot.
A whip is in my opinion the best way to disclpine a horse ropes are for leading not punishing horses lunge line should not be waved at horses it can make them dangerous and nervous to lunge and long line however i would never use a schooling whip to solve an issue with someone else's horse with out discussion.
I just don't know why OP does not disscuss this with the real people who can influence what's going on the owner of the other horse and the YO.
If OP's horse Is scaring this lady then the turnout arrangements will need to be changed its clearly not acceptable if she's scared to catch her own horse ,.horses who are rude around people are horrible and I don't ever tolerate it.
OP simply needs to watch this lady catching her horse see what's going on and disscuss it with the YO .
IF OP's horse is being a pain. It will have to put where it does not scare people but the YO can't deal with this if no one talks to her ( or him.)
 
Just to mention, I took the whip to wave because previously the YO, teen, her parents and I had discussed this and it was deemed ok by them to do it, the teen herself used the whip to wave her mares away when she wanted to get one out to ride. She started the rumours after falling out with my daughter.
 
So to all these people that "I would go screaming raging mental if anyone laid a finger on my pretty little pony and I would gouge their eyes out and break everybone in their body"...

What would you say/do if A.N. Other had no choice but to defend themselves against your horse??? It does happen...
 
Golden star - how very pathetic and one-sided. I don't know if you notice but you're completely being one sided. I HAVE spoken to Yo- I have not spoken to the girl as I she is a temperamental and volatile human being. You are saying my pony is being an arse. How many times do I have to say , he has not got an aggressive bone in his body. He has been in numerous set-ups with various people going in and out the field with various capabilities and no-one has EVER had a problem before. And for the record- I do talk to people! Just not this certain individual.
 
Wench- the one & only time its happened to my two it was because someone decided to bucket feed their horse in the field, & mine kept chasing their horse off. If someone told me that for the first time in 21yrs of ownership, my mare needed chasing away from a gate, I'd know they were lying. In all these years despite her being the boss for most of them, nobody has ever had any issues with her. She'll move for a small child & low ranking pony if calmly asked to go back or over etc. The other is fear aggressive, lovely manners when asked. But if someone started shouting at her first off, they'd be too busy running to defend themselves.
Other horses I've had, I wouldn't mind if someone came & told me. I've certainly moved horses from gateways by shouting & waving lrs myself. But, I'd always tell owner if I felt it was justified.
 
Oh and may I add that girls mother came up the other day bellowing 'did you get him in alright' . However, doesn't matter as clearly my pony is a raging fire breathing dragon that tries to maul 12.2 ponies to death.
 
dumpling said:
Golden star - how very pathetic and one-sided. I don't know if you notice but you're completely being one sided. I HAVE spoken to Yo- I have not spoken to the girl as I she is a temperamental and volatile human being. You are saying my pony is being an arse. How many times do I have to say , he has not got an aggressive bone in his body. He has been in numerous set-ups with various people going in and out the field with various capabilities and no-one has EVER had a problem before. And for the record- I do talk to people! Just not this certain individual.
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Dumpling you are a complete sweetheart this lady is has been asscused by you of hitting your horse the title of your thread is not want would you do if you thought someone might be hitting your horse .
If you are spoken to the YOer that's that it their yard they will deal with it.
I think your view is completly one sided too.
If this lady was a HHOer she might post saying I am scared to get my horse out of its little paddock because a horse belonging to this other livery who does not speak to me is scaring me from the other side of the temporary fencing .
If I was the YO I would put one of you on one side of the place and the other livery on the other.
What did the YOer say?
 
I believe a previous YO was hitting my horse - I have no proof but I know my horse and I know that someone was hurting him. He's only 4yrs and therefore still quite curious, he doesn't have a bad bone in his body and in the two years I've had him i've never even seen him put his ears back in any disagreeable fashion.

I'd go up to this yard and he'd be standing in the back of his box, head hanging and he became really headshy. I had to tickle his nose and stroke up his face before I could tackle getting his bridle on (he has in the past had issue with his ears, but he's been over that for easily a year). Sudden movements and he'd cower and absolutely 5h1t himself.

Anyways, long boring story short, we moved in April one Saturday and on the same evening he moved I went up to new yard and he was head over his door and whinnied when he saw us coming to do bedtime. Something he hadn't done since the January he moved to the previous yard.

I've no proof YO was doing anything to him, but a horse doesn't become scared of things for no reason, nor becomes clearly relieved when its away from then. I was spitting feathers and the only option was to leave or i'd have killed her!
 
Of course my view is one-sided! I've addressed the possibilities as to what could be happening and posted valid reasons as to why that couldn't be the case.

She has already requested the fence up . She doesn't want her pony put in with anything else and god-knows how long it's been since its actually had interaction with any other horse. At her previous yard it was notorious for jumping the fencing to get to others, yet she didn't want to put it in with anyone else because it didn't suit her and she couldn't be bothered. She didn't talk to anyone at previous yard and claims she was ready to 'knock so and so out' and 'cut other so and so's hands off' . The pony is quite obviously a hinderence to her - she gets it shod about every 12 weeks, wants reduced grazing but fires apples and conditioning cubes and molasses licks into it! And you're wondering why I don't want to ask her?
 
dumpling said:
Of course my view is one-sided! I've addressed the possibilities as to what could be happening and posted valid reasons as to why that couldn't be the case.

She has already requested the fence up . She doesn't want her pony put in with anything else and god-knows how long it's been since its actually had interaction with any other horse. At her previous yard it was notorious for jumping the fencing to get to others, yet she didn't want to put it in with anyone else because it didn't suit her and she couldn't be bothered. She didn't talk to anyone at previous yard and claims she was ready to 'knock so and so out' and 'cut other so and so's hands off' . The pony is quite obviously a hinderence to her - she gets it shod about every 12 weeks, wants reduced grazing but fires apples and conditioning cubes and molasses licks into it! And you're wondering why I don't want to ask her?
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Oh no I am not wondering why you have not asked her , I would have asked her Its really the yard owners place to deal with it .
What did the YOer say when you spoke with her .
Not sure what her strange feeding regime has got to do with the issue.
 
Perhaps to give you the jist of what a nutjob this person is?

Why is the yo jobs to deal with it if she's hitting MY horse? FYI she doesn't talk to yo , yo finds her strange and thinks the best thing for the horse is to be pts.
 
dumpling said:
Perhaps to give you the jist of what a nutjob this person is?

Why is the yo jobs to deal with it if she's hitting MY horse? FYI she doesn't talk to yo , yo finds her strange and thinks the best thing for the horse is to be pts.
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Because you won't talk to the other livery ,you have no proof she's hitting your horse ,who else is going to deal with it ?
That's what a YO or Y manager does manages problems runs the yard says your horse goes there yours there , and in fact x is a nut job I'll serve them notice, it's what yard a managers and owners do all the time.
Manage horses, manage people ,manage people who dislike each other it's the job.
 
Goldenstar said:
Because you won't talk to the other livery ,you have no proof she's hitting your horse ,who else is going to deal with it ?
That's what a YO or Y manager does manages problems runs the yard says your horse goes there yours there , and in fact x is a nut job I'll serve them notice, it's what yard a managers and owners do all the time.
Manage horses, manage people ,manage people who dislike each other it's the job.
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^^ This
 
Fair enough. Any yards I have been at and if anyone on it has had a problem it's up to them to sort it out.

So actually I think we'll leave it at that there. I have my opinion about you and the way you come across online and have read some of your posts. But I'll be polite and finish by saying thank you for your comments.
 
For the record, I have no problem whatsoever asking why she took a whip out to the field- I want more 'evidence' to prove my case first.
 
dumpling said:
For the record, I have no problem whatsoever asking why she took a whip out to the field- I want more 'evidence' to prove my case first.
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I wuoldn't bother doing this and working up on it.

I'd either go to her, say that you saw her carrying a whip up to the field and was it because she was worried about yours - if so you could bring in sometime for her to give a carrot to or a scratch and say how much happier the two seem with company. I'd spend time getting the owner in the field with you and knowing that she's safe in the field with both.

Or I'd put a fence up with yours on the side without gate (with temp gate access for you) and horses on other side this way you don't need to have her anywhere near yours.
 
wench said:
So to all these people that "I would go screaming raging mental if anyone laid a finger on my pretty little pony and I would gouge their eyes out and break everybone in their body"...

What would you say/do if A.N. Other had no choice but to defend themselves against your horse??? It does happen...
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I'd want to know why they had to defend themself with a whip rather than coming to me and saying they were worried first.

If my horse charged at someone/went for someone I'd expect person to get out way and with a smack with whatever was in hand at horse if in dangerous range (aboslutely not condoned at head in any circumstances where a person can remove themselves from a situation), and to tell me as soon as it happened so we could decided why horse had done it and whether it was safe (for other horses and owners) in current turnout or not.
I wouldn't expect them to have pre-planned it without coming to me with a concern first.
 
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