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Just looking for some advise for a friend.

Pony was brought in sept for her daughter and passed a 5 stage vetting. Picked pony up and travelled 10mins down road to our yard. Pony was through a friend of a friend so very close. Pony didn't travel too well and came off box in a bit of a state.

Next day pony didn't look right so friend called physio thinking pony had done something in box.

Next few weeks pony was still not right, interm
 
Just looking for some advise for a friend.

Pony was brought in sept for her daughter and passed a 5 stage vetting. Took pony home straight after vetting and travelled 10mins down road to our yard. Pony was through a friend of a friend so very close. Pony didn't travel too well and came off box in a bit of a state.

Next day pony didn't look right so friend called physio thinking pony had done something in box.

Next few weeks pony was still not right, intermittently lame. Called physio again she came out to look at pony again and suggested getting the vet.

Vet came out and agreed pony was not right but only very slight so asked friend to bring pony back into work (friend gave pony a few weeks off to see if that would make a difference but it didn't) and he would reassess in a week.

Vet came yesterday and has said pony is lame on both back legs and front right and wants him down the surgery for x-rays and nerve blocks. He also mentioned that it might be within my friends best interest to run the bloods taken in the vetting so to me that would suggest he thinks pony had this condition before the sale.

BUT as friend brought pony through someone she knew we are pretty sure the pony was not drugged (although I am aware this is not unheard of) so if this is the case and pony was not drugged then surely this issue should of been brought up in the vetting?

I have told friend I think she should get the bloods run anyway as if they come back clear then surely she would have a case with the vets???

Obviously we don't know what is wrong with pony yet so I told her to hang fire until she knows for sure but does she have any come back at all if tests proves this was a pre existing condition??
 
Kelly1982 said:
Just looking for some advise for a friend.

Pony was brought in sept for her daughter and passed a 5 stage vetting. Picked pony up and travelled 10mins down road to our yard. Pony was through a friend of a friend so very close. Pony didn't travel too well and came off box in a bit of a state.

Next day pony didn't look right so friend called physio thinking pony had done something in box.

Next few weeks pony was still not right, interm
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Can you explain a bit more what is wrong with the pony, have you had the vet out. You do have come back on seller but will depend what is wrong with the pony.
 
Kelly1982 said:
Just looking for some advise for a friend.

Pony was brought in sept for her daughter and passed a 5 stage vetting. Picked pony up and travelled 10mins down road to our yard. Pony was through a friend of a friend so very close. Pony didn't travel too well and came off box in a bit of a state.

Next day pony didn't look right so friend called physio thinking pony had done something in box.

Next few weeks pony was still not right, interm
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At the risk of reiterating what has been said a million times before. Why didn't she call the vet? Quite apart form the fact that any reputable physio will only work on vet referral, this pony could have anything wrong with it. I simply don't understand why physios are being used instead of vets in the first instance.
 
Did not see rest of story - two posts - yes they should run bloods if they think pony drugged. But the pony could have injured self after vetting - then no come back against vet - proving it happened before is difficult.

I had a similar situation where the vet check was done a few days before I picked pony up, The girl that owned pony rode him hard all the last day she had him. The next day he was lame in three legs. Nothing that could be done, had to wait for him to come right on his own.

Is the vet that is looking at him now the same that did the check.
 
I don't totally understand your post but if pony was injured durring traveling not by any issue from before.
Then your friend needs to get pony sorted, seller is not at fault.

Did seller say pony was good to travel?
There may be come back if they knew if didn't.
But it is proving that.
Plus there could be a reason pony didn't travel well on that occasion.
 
Why oh why did the buyer muddy the waters by calling a physio .
If a horse you have just bought goes wrong call a vet.
The first thing you need to know is why the horse is not right only a vet can do that.
A vet can be sued if they have made a mistake in the vetting but of course you have to be able to prove they have made a mistake and that's the hard part .
However the most likely thing is that the horse damaged itself in your friends ownership on its way to its new home but without a vets imput everyones just guessing .
First thing get a diagnoses of what's wrong with the horse.
 
Sorry everyone I didn't realise I had posted twice. The other post has the full story, must of pressed submit by mistake before I finished
 
I think at this stage you will find it very hard to prove the condition was pre existing, leaving it so long before getting a diagnosis, having a physio rather than vet to treat first will not help, the pony may have been injured in the box and by not getting a vet to treat at the time means it will be hard to prove either way. The buyer was at the vetting so will have seen the vet go through the procedures required, if the pony looked fine then but lame after the journey why did they not get it looked at straight away.
If I had sold the pony I would be extremely upset to be told several months later that it had traveled badly been lame when arriving at it's new home, not treated properly at that time by a vet and now wanting to prove it was wrong when it left me despite a vetting having just taken place.
 
Didn't realise i posted twice!! So stupid.

The girl that owned the pony before took him to a show the day before the vetting. She hacked him there as we see her as we was coming back so not sure of this has contributed or not??

Obviously if the pony has hurt itself in my friends care (even if It was just a 10 min journey) then this is something she will deal with but as vet suggested running bloods, that to me suggests he thinks it was pre existing.

The vet that is looking at him now is a different vet (partner) but from the same practice.
 
Kelly1982 said:
Just looking for some advise for a friend.

Pony was brought in sept for her daughter and passed a 5 stage vetting. Took pony home straight after vetting and travelled 10mins down road to our yard. Pony was through a friend of a friend so very close. Pony didn't travel too well and came off box in a bit of a state.

Next day pony didn't look right so friend called physio thinking pony had done something in box.

Next few weeks pony was still not right, intermittently lame. Called physio again she came out to look at pony again and suggested getting the vet.

Vet came out and agreed pony was not right but only very slight so asked friend to bring pony back into work (friend gave pony a few weeks off to see if that would make a difference but it didn't) and he would reassess in a week.

Vet came yesterday and has said pony is lame on both back legs and front right and wants him down the surgery for x-rays and nerve blocks. He also mentioned that it might be within my friends best interest to run the bloods taken in the vetting so to me that would suggest he thinks pony had this condition before the sale.

BUT as friend brought pony through someone she knew we are pretty sure the pony was not drugged (although I am aware this is not unheard of) so if this is the case and pony was not drugged then surely this issue should of been brought up in the vetting?

I have told friend I think she should get the bloods run anyway as if they come back clear then surely she would have a case with the vets???

Obviously we don't know what is wrong with pony yet so I told her to hang fire until she knows for sure but does she have any come back at all if tests proves this was a pre existing condition??
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I would suggest you have the bloods run. Even though pony was bought through a friend trust no one. this is how my friend was caught, dealer (well known on this forum) had even come and stayed over night with her for the Olympics yet horse started to show problems, blood run, result positive for NSAID. Has your friend informed the seller that something is wrong with pony. Your friend does have a case if this was a pre existing condition and also if drugs were used to hide it. Possible that pony hurt himself if panicked in the box but unusual to hurt 3 legs I would have said. You really need to see what the vet finds and go from there. I take it that your friend tried the pony before she bought him and that he was sound then.
 
Patterdale

I had a giggle to when I re read my post!

**Originally Posted by smellsofhorse I don't totally understand your post but if pony was injured surfing...**

:)
Surfing ponies, wow!
 
Kelly1982 said:
Didn't realise i posted twice!! So stupid.

The girl that owned the pony before took him to a show the day before the vetting. She hacked him there as we see her as we was coming back so not sure of this has contributed or not??

Obviously if the pony has hurt itself in my friends care (even if It was just a 10 min journey) then this is something she will deal with but as vet suggested running bloods, that to me suggests he thinks it was pre existing.

The vet that is looking at him now is a different vet (partner) but from the same practice.
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Sounds like the vet is suspicious!!
 
A bit tricky, because a physio will normally ask if vet has agreed to the treatment.
If the vet was asked this issue of bloods would have come up at the time.
I wonder if the pony went down in the trailer?
 
be positive said:
I think at this stage you will find it very hard to prove the condition was pre existing, leaving it so long before getting a diagnosis, having a physio rather than vet to treat first will not help, the pony may have been injured in the box and by not getting a vet to treat at the time means it will be hard to prove either way. The buyer was at the vetting so will have seen the vet go through the procedures required, if the pony looked fine then but lame after the journey why did they not get it looked at straight away.
If I had sold the pony I would be extremely upset to be told several months later that it had traveled badly been lame when arriving at it's new home, not treated properly at that time by a vet and now wanting to prove it was wrong when it left me despite a vetting having just taken place.
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I think they just thought it had pulled something in the box as it had just passed the vetting so that's why they called the physio. It's not my pony so can't say why they did what they did or why they left it so long.

I was just wondering that if it turned out to be something like navicular say (just an example) then obviously this is degenerative so surely should of been picked up??

I agree though that leaving it so long is now going to be hard to prove
 
Adele1D said:
I would suggest you have the bloods run. Even though pony was bought through a friend trust no one. this is how my friend was caught, dealer (well known on this forum) had even come and stayed over night with her for the Olympics yet horse started to show problems, blood run, result positive for NSAID. Has your friend informed the seller that something is wrong with pony. Your friend does have a case if this was a pre existing condition and also if drugs were used to hide it. Possible that pony hurt himself if panicked in the box but unusual to hurt 3 legs I would have said. You really need to see what the vet finds and go from there. I take it that your friend tried the pony before she bought him and that he was sound then.
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Yes friend tried pony before she bought him and he seemed sound but she tried him 4 weeks before he was actually vetted as she went on holiday and so did seller i think so vetting was arranged for when everyone got back.
 
alainax said:
I can only say... thank you! I was really grinding my teeth trying not to post! Now I can breathe again! *phew*

Op - what is the original vet who did the vetting saying?
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Ha ha sorry guys, English was not my strong point at school!! I'm more hands on than academic unfortunately.

Original vet hasn't been contacted yet, think they are going to find out the diagnosis first before deciding what to do next.
 
Sounds like the pony hurt itself travelling. If it looked bad coming off the box after only 10 minutes it probably fell over or something.
 
Patterdale said:
Sorry's not good enough I'm afraid, you'll need to go straight to detention so that you can think about what you've done! ;) :D :D :D :D

ETA nothing constructive to add about the horse, so totally pointless contribution, sorry :)
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Damn it!! I thought my detention days were over. Does that mean I'm going to get lines too ha ha
 
Wagtail said:
Sounds like the pony hurt itself travelling. If it looked bad coming off the box after only 10 minutes it probably fell over or something.
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I hope it is in a way as hopefully it will be easily treatable. They've had a bit of bad luck with horses so I do feel gutted for them
 
Your friend can't really do anything about this until she has a diagnosis. A diagnosis may give her an idea of whether this was a pre-existing condition that the first vet should have picked up (in which case she may have a case against the vet) or something that happened later on.

The fact that the previous owner did a show with the pony before the vetting is only a good thing. It means that the pony was made to work, i.e. put under pressure, and still passed the vetting the other day.

From what you say it is most likely that the pony injured itself travelling.
 
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