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my boys poorly again.. hes having x-rays next week.. :(
hes not been right for ages now..had the vet out last night, its not looking to good...all four feet are affected....how long dose it take to get the results? hes bringing a rameadial farrier too..... hes barefoot at the mo. i think shoes might have to go back on, well depending on the x-ray...
 
Sorry to hear this.

X Rays depends on your vet
their equipment

My vets have mobile x ray machines, one of the machines lets you see the results straight away. The only delay is if they need to take it back and compare to the previous pictures(horrid wait while this happens)

if they haven't got one of these then they can give you results within a coupe hours depends on how busy vet is or if they get called on emergency's and can't view them for a while.
 
thankyou L.. i am so worried, i cried all over the vet last night :o he has cushings his feet have seperated, he has a dip on his corriary band... could you tell me what this means i was in a bit of a state last night and didnt take it all in...
 
I would push for them to come sooner than next week, are his feet well supported in the meantime, deep bed frog supports etc. Barefoot is ok, my farrier treated my pony without shoes as he could come out more often and trim, he was out every 2-3 weeks to keep the angle adjusted correctly.

It sounds as if he has rotation of the pedal bone, the dip indicates this and x-rays will confirm so that the farrier can treat as appropriate.
 
If he's bringing an x-ray machine with him, and a remedial farrier I would guess that it's a digital machine, so the results will be instant.
 
As above.. The dip suggests sinking of the pedal bone with or without rotation.. And the separation, white line disease or laminitic pathology..

I'd get an earlier appointment if possible..
 
hes in on a deep bed..hes not suffering at the moment..next week is there area day so hes fine to wait till then..hes just a bit foot sore at the moment vet was happy..
 
Yes the dip is sinking and rotation. its not the end though as long as he hasn't penetrated through the sole.

My mare has sunk twice and rotated twice. First time 11 degrees , second time 15 degrees. :( x Rays showed last week abscess but rotation has reversed to 11 degrees. I am at this moment waiting for the vet for another xray. The important things is being in restricted feed. Bed max bed is the best for cushioning and comfort for a lami. I haver two water buckets one by her hay one by the door. healing vibes sent your way, there allot of horses/ponies with lami at the moment.

Barefoot was not the way to go for my mare. Styrofoam were they supported her sole stopped her sinking.
you can view my styrofoam pads on the website in my sig look under L for laminitis there is many photos of my mares foot and her pads new then used.

My mare has stabilized now, I am with the others tell them you want x rays asap allot can happen in a week. You need to know as things can go bad quick (not trying to scare you). With laminitis sometimes(often) 1 day can make the difference. Tell them you don't want to wait the sooner the x ray the sooner the help. Without pads on there is nothing there to support the sole , frog supports are ok but styrofoam support the whole sole when there is sinking involved.
 
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My story.



Foot seemed ok but we found abscess, was told we take shoe off (heart bar one) so we could tub and poultice. The shoe was removed and tubbing started 3 days into tubbing she started going really sore and hobbling. Got vet out and the abscess caused further break down of the newly formed lamina replacement which had stabilized her,well that x ray showed sinking 3 ml. So you see waiting another week is not good when you don't know whats going on.
 
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Leviathan said:
Yes the dip is sinking and rotation. its not the end though as long as he hasn't penetrated through the sole.

My mare has sunk twice and rotated twice. First time 11 degrees , second time 15 degrees. :( x Rays showed last week abscess but rotation has reversed to 11 degrees. I am at this moment waiting for the vet for another xray. The important things is being in restricted feed. Bed max bed is the best for cushioning and comfort for a lami. I haver two water buckets one by her hay one by the door. healing vibes sent your way, there allot of horses/ponies with lami at the moment.

Barefoot was not the way to go for my mare. Styrofoam were they supported her sole stopped her sinking.
you can view my styrofoam pads on the website in my sig look under L for laminitis there is many photos of my mares foot and her pads new then used.

My mare has stabilized now, I am with the others tell them you want x rays asap allot can happen in a week. You need to know as things can go bad quick (not trying to scare you). With laminitis sometimes(often) 1 day can make the difference. Tell them you don't want to wait the sooner the x ray the sooner the help. Without pads on there is nothing there to support the sole , frog supports are ok but styrofoam support the whole sole when there is sinking involved.
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i dont think barefoot is working for my boy, his toes have been aloud to get to long and his heels are to long.. he has flat soles.. so chances are his shoes will go back on then the styrofoam.. hes not lame at the moment.. hes just footsore....
i will phone the vet back in a bit just to check its ok to wait a week...
 
If you want them out earlier, you can insist..

A week can mean the difference between life and death where rotation and sinking are concerned.. Vets don't always know best, and many of us know this from personal experience..

You can insist if you are worried..

A week can mean the difference between recovery and pts in this kind of case..

I sincerely hope there is nothing to worry about and that your horse makes a full recovery..
 
KSR said:
If you want them out earlier, you can insist..

A week can mean the difference between life and death where rotation and sinking are concerned.. Vets don't always know best, and many of us know this from personal experience..

You can insist if you are worried..

A week can mean the difference between recovery and pts in this kind of case..

I sincerely hope there is nothing to worry about and that your horse makes a full recovery..
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phoned vet hes not overly concerned, but would like to x-ray just to see where the pedal bone is so we know how to go about trimming or shoeing...
i did ask if he will need putting to sleep he said no hes not that bad yet..hes not lame, just looks uncomftable..he said i can turn him out, i said no i will wait to see what the x-rays say..
 
tango'smum said:
phoned vet hes not overly concerned, but would like to x-ray just to see where the pedal bone is so we know how to go about trimming or shoeing...
i did ask if he will need putting to sleep he said no hes not that bad yet..hes not lame, just looks uncomftable..he said i can turn him out, i said no i will wait to see what the x-rays say..
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He said you could turn him out when he doesn't know if there is rotation???

Good on you insisting he stay in. One of my liveries who move out of my area was told to turn her horse out (which she did). 2 days later she gets a call in the morning and YO said *you better get down here* she got there to find Josh could not move he was then checked only to find he had come through the soles.:(RIP Josh

As mentioned above 1 day 2 days can mean the difference between life and death.

For example last week I had booked x ray for Wednesday, well gut feeling kicked in on the Friday before and I had x rays done, just as well as it showed abscess so she went on antibiotics on the Friday instead of waiting till the Wednesday, 5 days waisted and more damage could have been done.
 
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I hope you can get the xrays done sooner. The fact that all four feet are affected will mean that he does not look lame as all the feet hurt! I am shocked at the laid back attitude of your vet.
 
Rotation will not be evident for a couple of days after the insult. Radiographs are best taken around 3-4 days after initial lameness but the foot will often continue rotating despite management changes for upto a week therefore x rating too early is not v helpful.
 
glenruby said:
Rotation will not be evident for a couple of days after the insult. Radiographs are best taken around 3-4 days after initial lameness but the foot will often continue rotating despite management changes for upto a week therefore x rating too early is not v helpful.
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Except that the OP's horse is already showing grooves around the coronet band.
 
Sorry to hear your prob's is your boy on medication for the cushings? if not i would suggest you get the vet out again asap for the xrays so that you can see exactly what is going on & get him on the correct dose of medication..which in my experience... i believe stopped any further sinking of the pedal bone.Cushings can be horrible when sinking/rotation is involved....but hopefuly you have caught it in time.Definately keep him in on a very deep bed.Fingers crossed for you both.xx
 
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Sorry to hear your prob's is your boy on medication for the cushings? if not i would suggest you get the vet out again asap for the xrays so that you can see exactly what is going on & get him on the correct dose of medication..which in my experience... i believe stopped any further sinking of the pedal bone.Cushings can be horrible when sinking/rotation is involved....but hopefuly you have caught it in time.Definately keep him in on a very deep bed.Fingers crossed for you both.xx
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yes hes on pracsend 1 a day... hes good on the cushings side.. levels before treatment was 245 they are now 26...
 
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this is his feet last week....
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this is the 3rd vet i have had look at these feet, and i am finerly getting somewhere.. they are proper equine vets...got the best vet on the job...
 
moorman said:
I hope this might be of some help
http://www.rockfoot.com/lameness.html
My first criteria when faced with a laminitic is to get the caudal third (rear of the foot) able to take as much weight as possible, next it is very important to take the toe pressure away at the point of brake-over.
As a referral farrier when working with either the vet or farrier I always make sure we are all pulling in the same direction, laminitis is a terrible thing for horse and owner, but with time and the right treatment it can get better to the extent that I have had horses that have gone on to do the golden horseshoe endurance event.
It takes good trimming or shoeing, ( I would always try foam/pads/frog support before I would shoe) good diet, a great team, and time, lots of time
Do look at the section on lameness in the site above I am sure it will help explain what is going on.
Good luck
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thankyou moorman.... i'll pm you..
 
In the first picture is the red blood or spray?? there seems to be allot round his foot?



His hind feet seem to have to much toe on the angle doesnt appear correct.
 
Oh, is Moorman in your area???? If so, I'd take the opportunity to ask if he'd visit and give you his thoughts in person. He certainly seems to know his stuff.

In any case, I'd not carry on with whatever farrier you are using at the moment. I'm saying that as a horseowner who's had my gang unshod for probably about 9 years now and who has a bit of an obsession with feet!

Two points of reference are way out of kilter on your horse's feet, and those in themselves would make me change farrier if it was my horse.

The point of frog is almost in the centre of the front feet. In other words, there is way too much foot in front of the point of frog. That needs addressing if you are going to see any improvement.

When you look at the angle of the hoof wall when viewing the hoof from the side, the angle at the coronet is way different from anywhere else going down the hoof, particularly with the front feet. You need to find a farrier/trimmer who really understands about relieving stresses on the toe by keeping it back as far as possible and bringing the breakover back to allow the new hoof to grow in at the correct angle.

For what it's worth, I absolutely WOULDN'T put shoes on those feet because I honestly believe you'd not see any improvement if you did. You'd be reducing the circulation in the foot and slowing down any potential growth and healing, as well as increasing concussive forces, and also artificially keeping the breakover further forward than it needs to be.

Instead, I'd be looking for a good trim to bring the weight-bearing and breakover back, and ideally for the farrier/trimmer to give you basic instructions for how you can do a minimal rasping in between visits to help keep that breakover back between farrier/trimmer trims.

One of my girls had acute laminitis last August, and it's only through being able to make minor adjustments every few days that I've been able to get her feet anywhere near normal so far (and of course I'm still paranoid about her having too much grass, too much concussion, or anything else that might set her back again).

The more changes in angle you see in the hoof wall, the more you will know that SOMETHING needs to be changed. When you get the trim, the diet, the movement/exercise correct and any hormonal stuff under control, you'll start to see a good new hoof growing down.

Hope you find a good way forward. Worth being aware that some vets have no idea what can be achieved with a good trim!

Sarah
 
flintfootfilly said:
Oh, is Moorman in your area???? If so, I'd take the opportunity to ask if he'd visit and give you his thoughts in person. He certainly seems to know his stuff.

In any case, I'd not carry on with whatever farrier you are using at the moment. I'm saying that as a horseowner who's had my gang unshod for probably about 9 years now and who has a bit of an obsession with feet!

Two points of reference are way out of kilter on your horse's feet, and those in themselves would make me change farrier if it was my horse.

The point of frog is almost in the centre of the front feet. In other words, there is way too much foot in front of the point of frog. That needs addressing if you are going to see any improvement.

When you look at the angle of the hoof wall when viewing the hoof from the side, the angle at the coronet is way different from anywhere else going down the hoof, particularly with the front feet. You need to find a farrier/trimmer who really understands about relieving stresses on the toe by keeping it back as far as possible and bringing the breakover back to allow the new hoof to grow in at the correct angle.

For what it's worth, I absolutely WOULDN'T put shoes on those feet because I honestly believe you'd not see any improvement if you did. You'd be reducing the circulation in the foot and slowing down any potential growth and healing, as well as increasing concussive forces, and also artificially keeping the breakover further forward than it needs to be.

Instead, I'd be looking for a good trim to bring the weight-bearing and breakover back, and ideally for the farrier/trimmer to give you basic instructions for how you can do a minimal rasping in between visits to help keep that breakover back between farrier/trimmer trims.

One of my girls had acute laminitis last August, and it's only through being able to make minor adjustments every few days that I've been able to get her feet anywhere near normal so far (and of course I'm still paranoid about her having too much grass, too much concussion, or anything else that might set her back again).

The more changes in angle you see in the hoof wall, the more you will know that SOMETHING needs to be changed. When you get the trim, the diet, the movement/exercise correct and any hormonal stuff under control, you'll start to see a good new hoof growing down.

Hope you find a good way forward. Worth being aware that some vets have no idea what can be achieved with a good trim!

Sarah
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thankyou. the vet is bringing in a remiedial farrier.... so hopefully... :)
 
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