Yard change...but when?

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Since I've decided to keep my 2 year old, atleast until he's started undersaddle because I'll either love him more, or he will be more marketable to sell 😉 I'm thinking about a yard move.

I will back him next spring and I'll be introducing basic long lining soon. I also want to expose him to more too.

At his current yard he lives out 24/7 with 2 older mares, but has lived with just geldings before, and within a mixed herd. He basically adapts to whatever and doesn't get overly attached. They are fed hay and whatever grass is out there. Sometimes other food is given. He's a good doer for his age and is in good weight, has good hoof and coat quality, so I'd say he's doing alright, but I would prefer him to be on a vit/min or ration balancer more consistently.

There are no trails or outdoor riding facilities at this yard. There is a small indoor suitable for some very light free lunging or groundwork, but it's small, unlevel, and very dusty once you exceed the walk.

Ultimately it works in that he has ample room to roam, forage, water, and 2 companions that cause no issues.

YO is a little...different, but now that I've been there for a while, she basically leaves me to it.


Another yard currently has availability and is a bit further away at just over 35 minutes (current yard is 25). I looked at it last year, but it wasn't suitable due to not enough turnout, but they've changed that and the place gets good reviews (new management for the past year). It has a good (for this area) indoor school, large outdoor school, and nice stables.

He'd be out for at least 8 hours with one other horse in a field with grass and hay. We'd probably have a nice little barn community. Where I'm at now, I'm the only boarder, pros and cons there.

It would be good for him to be handled more by others, but this does worry me slightly as he's very good for me, but I've noticed he tests others because he's smart and a bit of a clown.

It would also be good for him in that it'd be a bit busier so there's more to see. More space for training. There are events, but none that interest me due to the discipline, but still, he'd be exposed to more goings on. He would actually see other horses ridden and doing things.

So it'd be the next step in him becoming a proper horse. Just not sure when to take this step. Before or after winter?

At the new yard he'd be in more. But no yard around here offers pasture board and riding facilities. So his 24/7 turnout days will end when he's a ridden horse anyway. He's been stabled before for various short term things (gelding, travel, awaiting travel - he's an int'l traveler 😉). They will feed whatever feed I provide, consistently, which is nice, and muck out.

They allow rugs and will do the occasional change, but usually their barn stays very warm in the winter. Current YO wants nothing to do with rugs, but did let me rug him last year as long as I managed it which was tricky sometimes.

I think at the new barn they'd be more likely to notice something amiss with him, which is a plus. I think my current farrier might travel there too, now that I think about it.

I don't know if moving now is too early though, and if I should let him have the winter out? Winters can be harsh here, but he survived alright last year. I would think that this place would have an opening in the spring too, but I'm not sure because it's one of the only decent places around.
 

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The second barn sounds very tempting but I think I'd stay put until winter is over.

I have no idea what you're winter is like so my picture is based on Michens posts!

Having a barn slightly closer would be easier if really bad weather came in.

Sometimes it's better the devil you know, especially during what's probably the trickiest time of year?

I'd definitely put my name down at yard 2 for a space in the spring though.
 

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Kind of what I'm leaning toward. The yard is hard to get to in bad weather regardless of which one it is. He'd have a more posh lifestyle, but might not need that. I do like that their barn stays warm, but that's a human preference haha.

Current YO hasn't done anything lately that's caused a ruckus. I'm also not sure that everyone stays UTD on vaccs and deworming, so there's that too, but again, he's survived. I don't love the fencing either, but this material is common here.
 
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I mean, if you ask him he's fine, and seems content, but he's not aware of all of the details.

I just don't know how bored he will be having to be inside more.

There's one other option I could move to for the winter, but it's just pastures, so I wouldn't be able to do any work with him. He seems to really enjoy the interaction and "work" that we do. Then it's like we'd move, then move again. That yard also varies between pasture and a small drylot. There's also a possibility he could end up alone if he doesn't get along with the 1 gelding there. Which I would not like for him nor would he.

If I had all of the time in the world and could drive an hour each way, there might be a better option, but I simply can't do that several times a week. On top of my job, I'd never be home for OH, dogs, chickens, etc. Maybe I'm selfish but I don't care to go nonstop from 5am until 9pm and be a ghost 🤣
 

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I would totally go now, not only because it would probably be good for him but I bet it would be really nice for you too, to be back on a "proper" yard again etc etc. It might be a nice change for winter.

I don't know what the weather is like where you are but I can't imagine it's much/any worse than Co winters, snow tires and AWD and there was not a single day I couldn't get to the barn last year despite an unusually heavy amount of snow.
 

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I would totally go now, not only because it would probably be good for him but I bet it would be really nice for you too, to be back on a "proper" yard again etc etc. It might be a nice change for winter.

I don't know what the weather is like where you are but I can't imagine it's much/any worse than Co winters, snow tires and AWD and there was not a single day I couldn't get to the barn last year despite an unusually heavy amount of snow.

It's the ice here that makes things crazy. You don't need much of it. Then you have the other people on the road. There will be a few inches on the ground and vehicles in ditches everywhere. Maybe it's worth it to you, but not me! Even though I do have 4WD. My horse doesn't need me there every day. I used to think so though ;)

If it were straight show, I'd be fine with that.

I'm just not sure how he will do being in stall for so long. I'm also not sure I want him in one for 12 to 16 hours. It'd be different if he were a ridden horse in work perhaps. I just sort of know him, and could see him being bored. I just don't know that it'd be good for him. Aside from being exposed to different things.

I also have to double check their stalls. I visited last year and they were on rubber mats with literally a handful of bedding tossed in. It was so bare and weird! So I want to visit later this week.

Sometimes I think a proper yard would be nice, especially if it's a good group of boarders, but I do like not having to see other people at the current yard 🤣 but I'm not a people-y person.
 

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Will there be a guaranteed space for him in the Spring? If not, I'd be tempted to move now- especially as there are some concerns about the yard he's at all ready. Unless you can afford to pay for a space at both to hold your space?
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Yes, he'd be in more but could you keep up the in hand work (or start clicker training, liberty work etc) to keep his brain engaged over winter whilst stabled?
 

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It's the ice here that makes things crazy. You don't need much of it. Then you have the other people on the road. There will be a few inches on the ground and vehicles in ditches everywhere. Maybe it's worth it to you, but not me! Even though I do have 4WD. My horse doesn't need me there every day. I used to think so though ;)

If it were straight show, I'd be fine with that.

I'm just not sure how he will do being in stall for so long. I'm also not sure I want him in one for 12 to 16 hours. It'd be different if he were a ridden horse in work perhaps. I just sort of know him, and could see him being bored. I just don't know that it'd be good for him. Aside from being exposed to different things.

I also have to double check their stalls. I visited last year and they were on rubber mats with literally a handful of bedding tossed in. It was so bare and weird! So I want to visit later this week.

Sometimes I think a proper yard would be nice, especially if it's a good group of boarders, but I do like not having to see other people at the current yard 🤣 but I'm not a people-y person.

Fair enough! Every barn I’ve seen here doesn’t bed their horses properly. But I provide my own and no one’s had an issue with that so assume you could ask?
 

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I have to talk to them more about a space in the spring. I could pay for both yards.

I can keep up the in hand work, but I can only be there 3 days a week at the moment.

I can see if they are actually bedding their stables or letting people do so, and need to confirm the footing too.

I do like working youngsters on hard, soft, deep, and other varied footing, don't get me wrong, but still. There is some deep dirt here.

So I'll have to visit again. I was there last October when the new owners/management just started out.

There is a place that looked decent for around here that's 40 - 45 min away, I saw that it's for sale though, so it seems to have an uncertain future, which isn't ideal.
 
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Fair enough! Every barn I’ve seen here doesn’t bed their horses properly. But I provide my own and no one’s had an issue with that so assume you could ask?

LOL a barn I visited when I first moved here said no to that. They're now closed to boarders anyway, so moot point, but people are weird. If I don't like the bedding when I visit, I'll ask.
 

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Sorry it I seem salty or negative, it's just how I feel.

I'm lucky to have a reasonably healthy youngster, but we've just ended up in the wrong place geographically.

Sure, things weren't ideal with the horse I had to leave in Germany (the Piroplasmosis ordeal), but it was better, all things considered. I think the culture shock is a thing too. I've lived here before, but in an entirely different part of the country. This has also confirmed for me where I do and don't want to live, so there's that uncertainly gone 🤣
 

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I hear ya. I know you hate it here. Though I guess here as in the USA is not really the same. It's a bummer you didn't end up in a different state.

But it is what it is and you'll head back to europe soon enough! I'd move him in the spring, then.
 

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For what its worth this is what I did, this was a good 20yrs ago mind but id probably do the same now.

I had a yearling who was kept at a regular livery yard, but she was out on grass livery 24/7 for the first 6 months or so. Id go down every 3 or 4 days...(it was outside London, a good 45 min drive away from where I lived in London). However the yard was so lovely and i really enjoyed being up there seeing others ride, go to events, general stable chat...that I decided to pay for DIY assisted livery with a stable from about 18 months onwards until she was backed. For me it was the perfect compromise as she was out 24/7 over summer, then could come in in winter overnight and got her used to the routine, rug changes, handling by different people on the yard, generally observing what was going on. I also ended up going nearly every day as I was more motivated! Horse was fantastic to handle and backing etc was a dream as she was used to everything about being in for periods of the day. She was on herd turnout until the age of about 3 then she went to individual turnout next door to others, it was just easier for me to manage her this way and she had a few knocks in the herd so was trying to prevent injuries.
 

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I'm going to speak to them tomorrow and arrange a visit. I think the feeling I get when I'm there again will help me (I don't know, I'm a vibe person) and I can see how things are compared to 1 year ago.

I had a nice short chat with the owner earlier today though.

CC I was erring on the side of moving in the spring when he's ready to start work, but I agree with Michens earlier post.

I think you'd be happier somewhere where there is a bit of a community. Might just help get your mojo back a bit.

Yes, you want to do what's best for your horse, but your needs matter to.
 

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CC I was erring on the side of moving in the spring when he's ready to start work, but I agree with Michens earlier post.

I think you'd be happier somewhere where there is a bit of a community. Might just help get your mojo back a bit.

Yes, you want to do what's best for your horse, but your needs matter to.
100% agree with this, lack of company can be a major factor, don't underestimate how much impact this can have! Have definitely experienced this myself.
 

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I don't know though, I really don't care for people all that much 🤣

It might be nice to have a community, but at the same time, I've truly had such moments of enjoyment being alone. I am social at work and whatnot, plus I'm the type that just really likes being alone. So I'm not sure how much having other boarders truly matters to me. Especially because I feel as though it's hard to relate to other horse people here. However, I don't know who all is there, so I can't assume.

The fencing is not bad in that he can get out easily or anything.

I really think I am going to feel too guilty about him being stabled.🤔
 
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From entirely the horses perspective I think he'd rather winter out, assuming they always have enough food. He has done well so far where he is, even if it's not ideal.
It's a marketing thing, that concentrate or vit&min meed to be fed daily to be effective, as long as he gets "some" (and the pasture isn't massively deficient in anything) he will get enough to support his growing.


So I'd move in the Spring when you'll be able to get up to him reliably and have the weather and light to do more. And if everyone isn't trying to use the indoor you'll have more space to do your own thing, if you don't fancy talking to people.
 

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I would also wait until spring, you can still do stuff over the winter, when weather allows, I think a couple of times a week is enough for a youngster .
I'm not a peopley person either and would find it more annoying seeing them doing daft stuff with their horses than me being lonely 😂
 

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I'm not a peopley person either and would find it more annoying seeing them doing daft stuff with their horses than me being lonely 😂

Exactly 🤣


Not that I'm God's gift to horses or anything, but the general population here is just on a different level when it comes to horse keeping.

The riding and care is shocking at times, but that might just be the area. Others not from around here are rather taken aback as well, so I don't feel too crazy!



The last region I lived in that was in the US, ages ago, was verrryyy different. Germany is rather structured and professional with the whole horse thing (still has its issues though), and the UK is just more horsey with more resources (on a cultural level too, if that makes sense). So landing here is like, WTF at times 🤣 but maybe there is someone out there I can connect with. I did connect with another Spanish horse person for a min, but then she moved out of state, of course. Same with my neighbor, she was alright. I exercised her horse a bit last year when I first moved here, but then they moved a few states away (for work).

I'm probably just a snob 😂

Anyway, I'm leaning toward staying put for the winter, but I'm still going to visit the other yard again.

My other hesitation is that the owners are very religious and seem to incorporate that into their barn community (this is a reoccurring theme here, this part of the US is "different"). I am not religious. So...

I know how to be respectful and coexist, and hopefully that goes both ways.

Still though, they have made improvements to the place, and their hearts seem to be in the right place.
 
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My other hesitation is that the owners are very religious and seem to incorporate that into their barn community (this is a reoccurring theme here, this part of the US is "different"). I am not religious. So...

I know how to be respectful and coexist, and hopefully that goes both ways.

Still though, they have made improvements to the place, and their hearts seem to be in the right place.
Are you in Bible Belt country?
 

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I would leave him where he is until at least spring his only 2 at the moment he only really needs turnout which he has so I wouldn't worry about it yet totally worth giving them a visit though.

I really like your horse his turned into something very special I think💕

Oh, he's special alright 😂

It would be interesting to see what he becomes as an adult. Sometimes he's quite sensible, I think...other times 🤡

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Bless him his gonna be a good one although my Louis will walk over tarp and will grab hold of it, but his the spookiest horse going when ridden 😂

He snorts at far less things than my 10 year old did. No idea how he will be ridden. I can forsee some stubbornness, but he's actually really improved on that. I think it was mostly a lack of knowledge, connection, and motivation before. Generally, his curiosity wins over fear. When I went to visit his breeder I walked into the herd of young colts, and was not there to look at him. He was the first one that came up to me, and then later when we were trying to get them to move around a bit in the field (to see their gaits) with some encouragement from whips, he gave zero f*cks.

Generally, his antics are due to age, but I also know two of his half siblings that have some clown tendencies. Makes them interesting to interact with and fun to train sometimes.

Even if he's unsure, he generally seems to want to give everything a chance and appears to put some trust in me. He almost always walks up to me in the field, but that could be boredom and the prospect of getting a treat at some point 🤣
 
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