Yard crisis

caitlin95uk

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Let me start by showing you the current situation at the yard...
We moved to a livery yard close to us, the yard was on a mans land, lets call him G.
G rented the yard to a woman named S.
S told us it was £60/month livery without a stable, everything was going well, a few problems with S but we put them aside and ignored them.
G also had many problems with S, but S told us that G was just moody and not listening.
Recently G has been checking the fields, he has noticed that S is not watering her 11 horses she keeps on the yard, he keeps checking for days to see whether they get filled, but they don't. S also has a horse that is about 17hh and jumps from fence to fence into other fields, which would be ok if he did not take the fences down with him.
G has said to S many months ago that if they did not move this horse else where, then S and all her horses would be off.
6 months later the horse is still there, and G has had enough and considers kicking them off after christmas.
During the time we have been there we had bought a lorry and kept it in G's area where he allows big vehicles to be parked for a small fee each month, we contact S about keeping the lorry there and she said to put this money in with the livery and they will pass it onto G.
Now the livery money was due yesterday and as my step-dad has pneumonia (sp?) the business we own has gone downhill rapidly and we simply could not afford to pay the livery yesterday, so we contacted S and said we can pay it this friday for definate as money comes in then, and S said she would contact G to see what he thinks.
Hours later my mum was called by G he was ranting down the phone that we had one months notice we were to pay the livery this friday and then leave, shouting at us. My mum simply couldn't handle him ranting down the phone so went to see him.
As she got there she saw S crying as G was shouting at her too, my mum took him away and spoke to him away from everyone else, he soon calmed down and said just pay the livery on friday and we will forget everything, my mum said thankyou we will give you the lorry money too, and he says i havnt noticed your lorry, and my mum says yes we have had one there for ages, S was meant to be paying you the money, turns out S has not been paying out the money for our lorry even though we give it to her to pay to G!
Also turns out even though she has 11 horses on the property she only pays livery for 2 and the livery we give her also pays for her other 9!
G flips and says thats it S is off by the 1st march, and after that he will not rent it out, he himself will collect livery and manage the yard, and he will choose who will stay and go out of the rest of us liveries.
Everyone goes home and my mum gets a call of S and S rants on about how unreasonable he is and how they are leaving ASAP.
But then my mum also gets a call of a fellow livery (who we are a lot closer with than S) who has been recently talking to G about S running the yard, and we get a totally different story about how G is actually a very nice man, he has just lost his rag with S, and how that once she has gone the yard will be run smoothly.
I really dont want to leave as it is such a nice yard, but im not sure whether G is a nice man, do you think he is being reasonable about S and that once she has gone the yard will be a lot better, or that G is being unreasonable and we should leave ASAP?
ETS: Sorry its so long and confusing, I hope you can make sense of it!
 
I don't think I understand...

S must be watering her horses otherwise after 6 months without water, they would all be dead. If she really isn't giving them water then this is a case for someone like WHW.

S is your YM, yes (ie, you are renting from her?)? If so then surely your agreement is with her and not G? It seems to be there are too many people involved so I think you need to decide who you rent your stables/grazing from and arrange to pay them the livery. If you are paying it to S then it is up to her what she does with it. If you are going to pay it directly to G then don't involve S at all.

It all seems very complicated and I think I would move just to get some peace and quiet somewhere else!!
 
It's very complicated.

In a nutshell S rents the yard from G and you pay S and she pays G.

So if S is causing problems to G and he asks her to leave. You will deal with G direct.

Sounds ok to me. I wouldn't leave in a hurry - S isn't going til 1 March - so things could change by then anyway, and you should give G a chance - it's his property after all so he may well run it very well.

Can't comment from this whether G is a nice man or not. I think S has just peed him off once too many times.
 
I'd give the farmer G the chance to change things, it sounds as though S has been taking the mick and deserves all she gets.

Our livery yard is run by a farmer and he is fair and totally looks after the place, but will take no nonsense and anyone who messes up get their notice - hence we have a great yead. It sounds as though yours could well end up the same.
 
I don't understand either.

Your contract is with S. S's contract is with G.

You pay S - S pays G (regardless of whether you pay or not). G should never be out of pocket.
 
If you like the yard and it's convenient i'd stick with it until S goes. Then you'll find out for yourself what G is like. IMO S has done plenty to wind up the farmer. Just keep an eye out for possible alternatives.
Good Luck.
 
Stick it out, see how it goes if you like the yard.

Can you not pay G directly? cash or standing order, at least that way you'll be happy in the knowledge your rent has been paid.
 
It is NOT acceptable for S to collect lorry money from you tell you it is for G, and then pocket the money. Big red flag.

Give it some time to see if things work out with G, - dealing directly with G from now on. In the meanwhile, you can always keep an eye out for alternative yards so that you can move your horse if things don't work out.
 
I used to be at a yard where A rented it from B and we paid our money to A. If we were ever late paying (not that it happened very often) B still got her money from A as rent for the whole yard.

Now, however, the roles have reversed.

I rent land and have liveries.

My rent to the landowner is always paid regardless of whether or not my liveries have paid me. 2 separate situations if you ask me. If my liveries dont pay me, its not the landowners fault, so even if I have to beg borrow and steal (well not exactly, but you get the jist) my rent is paid. I then take up the issue with my liveries.

(I rambling now but hope that makes sense)

Oh and stick it out. You might be surprised.
 
If you like the yard and it's convenient i'd stick with it until S goes. Then you'll find out for yourself what G is like. IMO S has done plenty to wind up the farmer. Just keep an eye out for possible alternatives.
Good Luck.


^^^^this^^^^

S seems to be what is sticking in G's throat not you, if your rent is what pays for her livery and she was relying on your money to pay for her horses then it stands to reason that she would pass the buck onto you re: the blame (by the sounds of her) I would be extremely miffed that I had been paying charges for my horse box and they had been pocketed along the way, but would also feel a bit put out that I had been given 1 month to move when she is allowed there till march. However, put it all behind you, can't be changed now, perhaps speak to G and ask if he would prefer to be paid directly until then, and wait it out to see how things change in march, could turn out to be worse or you could have a fantastic calm yard with no disruption to your horses.

P.S. TBH i would be very much ranting if I had just been through this
 
P.S. TBH i would be very much ranting if I had just been through this

I would probably be plotting with G to take revenge on S to be honest.

Though, as mentioned earlier, just think twice before believing someone who claims a horse hasn't had water for six months unless said horse has all four legs in the air.

:D
 
^^^^^^ above she is having problems atm thats why and i am on the same livery yard as her and its not just like sparsed out yard where people just give eachother dirty looks were like an actuall family the moms are pretty much best friend we ride with eachother everyday we help echother muck out do the feeds ect ect , and G has been the one watering them thats why they are not dead.
 
eek something similar happened to me at a livery yard about 5 yrs ago.

YM was good friend of mine and got sacked by YO, unforutnately YM was good, all other liveries = horrid!
He then ended up closing the yard temporarily about 3-6months later and kicking all bar 2 liveries off as others were 'unmanageable'

This was because the liveries had 'ganged up' on YM as they were unhappy with a couple of minor things (not as major as yours)

So just be very very careful particularly if YO doesn't have a clue about horses and just wants to keep customers happy....
 
just posted on the other thread about this yard.
Sounds like a right mess tbh.

I wouldnt be signing up to mange it too keenly!!!

Stand back and see how G does I recon - I'm sure everything is much easier when there is no YM involved! :D
 
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