Yard have been negligent.

MrsD123 said:
there are three or maybe four levels of management, I do not know who decided to cover up, was it the Farm owner , a peer of the realm, was it his manager, a man who has something of the night about him, or the yard manager, or the person in charge of operations on the day they were advised of the problem.
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You're rambling - and it all sound like a crock to me.

Sorry.................................
 
strangles, also, isn't that bad. A pain to deal with I agree but once its diagnoised, all you can do is keep them fed, watered and happy and clear up the snot and abcesses. Usually the vet will not adminster anitibiotics as it brings on ******* strangles. When we had an outbreak yrs ago the vet really didn't do much, we looked after them.
 
I was on a yard that got strangles...despite all proceedures the horses still came down with it...about half of them anyway. Just as we though it was all clear- another would start. It went on for months. Strangles isn't notifiable- you can't shut a yard down as such- just advise the YO and liveries.

Its life I'm afraid- I had 2 horses at the time that needed triple swabbing to make sure they were clear.....no hacking out, no shows...it was crap. And expensive. But all the horses survived. Which was the main concern......
 
and even if you do notify the other liveries, chances are, by the time its noticed, the other horses have caught it if they were going to.
I am not sure why your original post states you can't sell, loan or move your horse? Did you want to then? If not, once he is clear...why can't you sell, loan or move him? He will recover.
 
When were they informed the horse had strangles? Was it just a suspicion and they made an error of judgement and thought it was a paranoid owner? You know horse has just come from a dealer of course it will be a bit funny til it settles in.
Or was the horse swabbed, confirmed to have strangles then they were told? Because between the swabs and the results is about 4 days, in this time the disease could have already spread.
Either way it could be the YO covering up, perhaps not wanting to cause a panic until the results were in or the livery not being quick enough and it had spread anyway.
My other question is why did the livery not take it upon themselves to iscolate the horse and warn everybody not to touch their horse or have anything do to with it?!!!
 
MrsD,

What agreement do you have in place with your yard?

They do have a duty of care to all animals and people.

I'm fairly new so haven't read any previous post on this sorry, no idea how I would find it.

But basically, you would need proof of what has happened (I'm not saying you do or not have it just that you would need it).

Then you would need your terms of livery (all responsible liveries I assume issue this to their clients).

Seek out legal advice prior to anything else, if you are serious about recovering the funds you spent on vets and seeking some form of compensation then you need professional legal advice, not advice in a forum.

CAB are a good starter point, but in all honesty, get a good equine solicitor and take it from there.

if you do, accept that potentially in the future you will need to move yards, given the conflict such action will incurr.
 
Sorry I mean to add.

I agree with damnation - even a suspected case should have been isolated, and correct procedures taken.

Had a horse on my yard been a 'suspect' case it would have isolated and precautions taken.

i used to be on a yard years ago that had a yard 2 miles away have an outbreak and we all took it serious, adhered to precaution measures and no horses broke out on our yard.
However, anything showing any potential signs was isolated regardless!
 
I think you have got as much chance of getting any compenstation than fly to the moon TBH.You would have to prove the yard owner knew the horse had strangles, you would have to prove that you had not touch said horse. You would have to prove that your horse would not have got strangles anyway and you would have to prove it was covered up. Not an easy task IMO
 
I have to agree with Charlie.
Part of the responsibility is with the owner of the horse.
My friends horse came in a bit under the weather with a suspect lump under his chin. She then iscolated him, had him swabbed and informed the rest of the yard not to touch him, and she would not touch their horses. Thankfully it was not strangles but I don't think the YO or whoever is in charge is entirely to blame on this one I am afraid.

If I was the owner of the horse I would be telling everyone and iscolating the horse myself even if it was just suspected Strangles. I would feel awful if I hadn't taken proper precautions and someone else's horse caught it..
 
Horse1 came from a dealer, it was sick within 24 hours
Horse2 10 meters away got a disease a few days later, this was diagnosed by symptoms as strangles
These people told the yard manager, I do not know if the yard owner was informed but someone decided to shut up about it.
Horse3 was beside the second horse and so on.
 
Thank you very much, it seem you are seeing the picture through my eyes, I will have to move yards, I do not have any money!
I cannot pay the yard and the vet, but also I would not pay £40 a week for my horse to stand in a tiny field. It is unreasonable.
 
MrsD123 said:
Thank you very much, it seem you are seeing the picture through my eyes, I will have to move yards, I do not have any money!
I cannot pay the yard and the vet, but also I would not pay £40 a week for my horse to stand in a tiny field. It is unreasonable.
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If this all happened back in January then I assume strangles is no longer on they yard? So just move somewhere cheaper if you can't afford £40 a week.
 
At this moment in time I can't sell him .... in order to pay the bills!
I can't loan him, he is in isolation.
I can't move him as I would not ask anyone to take him until the all clear.
Anyone who has had a horse with bad strangles should be aware that they will have to nurse him and suffer with him, anyone who says,,,, strangles, no problem has not suffered like me and my horse
 
If the horse was ok when it arrived and then became sick, how on earth was the yard to know he had strangles? By the time he had been installed for 24 hrs and the problem became apparent then it would have been too late to have stopped any other horse getting it. If the horses that got it had no physical contact with said ill horse or had not touched any buckets, troughs ect belonging to sick horse then the only way the other horses could have contracted the disease would have been from human transfer, in which case, unless your horse is dealt with by staff that may have touched the sick horse and then yours then its someone else that needs to take the blame.
 
hmm, as I said before, we had it, abcesses, snot the lot, we dealt with it. It went away. We made sure one person dealt with sick horses, had a change of clothes and a supply of Verkon E. It was not fun, but we coped.
One word here- INSURANCE! Sorry but come on, don't winge about vets bills when you choose not to insure. That makes me mad!
 
MrsD123 said:
No, the yard were aware that a new horse came in to the yard from a dealer, this horse was ill within 24 hours, complaints were made, nothing was done. The isolation procedures were disregarded. There is no way that the yard is anything other than negligent, it is not an act of God
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If the yard aren't offering you money as compensation and you want some, you will need to take legal action. Most people would contact their insurance company for help at that point - nothing to do with acts of God, your insurance company would advise you if you wanted to sue for compensation. You don't have any insurance on your horse, and you aren't a BHS Gold member. Therefore, if you want to take action you will have to pay the costs yourself and hope to get them back in court.

I must admit, it's a tad frustrating to see you taking people through all this again. Didn't you get the answers you wanted last time?
 
Absolutely sure that these people were genuine, in fact I thought they were naive when they told me the symptoms, having to feed and water a head heght etcetera, it was only last week that they happened to mention that they had told the yard manager that their vets had told them that the disease was strangles, unproven by testing, but all the symptoms pointed to it.
 
I agree that in some cases Strangles is absolutely horrific, if they had walked around my yard when we had it no-one would say it was merely an inconvienience!

Is your horse a carrier now or still struggling with the Strangles itself?
 
so he is positive on a nasal swab then? or you are saying that he has a temperature, breathing problems?

each horse and person will be different to how they responed to a disease. some horses will have been in contact with strangles earlier on in life and will have the antibodies to the strep and then their second infection will have been shorter.
for your horse to have a problem with strangles (unless a carrier) after nearly 4 months must indicate that there is second problem with your pony and maybe its immune system.

and yes i have had a horse with strangles before you ask
 
I feel very sorry for your situation. I think if you tried to take legal action the only winner would be the solicitor. I have no real advice to offer. Perhaps other readers of your sad tale will take note that if you cant afford a big vet bill then make sure you are insured.

I hope your horse recovers soon
 
You seem to be dodging my question. Did your horse catch the disease? Why didn't the Owners isolate the horses themselves and inform other liveries. I would of done, certainly.
Have any of these horses been swabbed?
I am sorry but the blame doesn't lie just with the YO.
 
Obviously he got the disease, do you think I am moaning because I cant hack out for a few days!
Sorry, but my horse has suffered dreadfully, I have had to attend day and night for weeks, my vet bills are only just started, at £400, we still have to knock him out, wash and test the gutteral pouch, then wait for some undefined period, then more knocking out and so on, until the vet is satidfied he is not a carrier, this could take another eight weeks., the best case scenario is three weeks, in the meantime I could have him in a nice field and hack him out in an area where no other horse goes. ,,,,,,, is this clearer?
 
Have the liveries all been swabbed and confirmed as strangles? You keep mentioning 'symptoms of strangles' but no mention of confirmation.

If the 'symptoms of strangles' haven't been confirmed as strangles you won't have a leg to stand on in court IMO.

You do sound very angry and upset and I know it is easier to sometimes find someone else to blame, but these things happen.

Hope your lad gets better soon {{{hugs}}}
 
your beef( as we have the compensation thread) seems to be more with getting the bills paid than the horses illness itself. If your horse was insured you would not be in this situation. I do hope he is insured for at least public liabilty as if not, what would you do if he harmed some one.
At some point an accident may happen where your horse needs vet treatment, mine got kicked, fractured radius, wasn't one of my horses, tough, it was an accident, almost £5k later on vets bills and he was healed. Because he was insured I could put my time and effort into getting him better, not considering selling him to pay the bills!
 
MrsD123 said:
Obviously he got the disease, do you think I am moaning because I cant hack out for a few days!
Sorry, but my horse has suffered dreadfully, I have had to attend day and night for weeks, my vet bills are only just started, at £400, we still have to knock him out, wash and test the gutteral pouch, then wait for some undefined period, then more knocking out and so on, until the vet is satidfied he is not a carrier, this could take another eight weeks., the best case scenario is three weeks, in the meantime I could have him in a nice field and hack him out in an area where no other horse goes. ,,,,,,, is this clearer?
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So your horse does appear to be a carrier then? I understand your frustration then. Carriers can take months and in some unfortunate cases, years to throw a clear swab. Had you ever had your horse swabbed prior to this outbreak on your yard? If yours is the carrier, is it possible that your horse infected others on the yard?
 
I have worked professionally with horses for 50 years, and the last case of strangles I had to look after was when I was a teenager.
I have had ponies for the last 5 years, so I could have had them insured, which would have cost more than this will cost, as I am very experienced, and very pernickity, and my horse is a happy hacker, I decided not to insure, but I did question the yard as to their qualifications and experience, also the isolation for new horses, which was 14 days in a stable for observation....... but they decided not to follow their own procedures,
I asked them what was wrong with two horse which were sick and was told untruths, what more could I have done?
The yard allowed infected and infectious horses to mix and to go out in fields and new horses were allowed in communal paddocks the first day they arrived in the yard.
 
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