Yard have been negligent.

I've just received a PM which I don't understand. I got to page 8 of this and gave up. Am I the only person going 'huh?????? :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:'
I'm sure OP you have said that the reason you're upset is you can't hack out and that your horse HAS been tested and then proceeded to say the hacking isn't the problem and your horse hasn't been tested it's just 'evident'??
K x
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I gave up on this at page 16 so forgive me if this has been said, but OP what would you have done if your horse had been badly kicked in the field by another livery and then had to be on box rest for a long period of time??

Vets bills, paying for stable/grazing but not using both, caused by another horse on the premises (so to speak).....

And yes I've had 2 horses with strangles caused by poor yard management but that's life with horses!!
 
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sonjafoers said:
I gave up on this at page 16 so forgive me if this has been said, but OP what would you have done if your horse had been badly kicked in the field by another livery and then had to be on box rest for a long period of time??

Vets bills, paying for stable/grazing but not using grazing, caused by another horse on the premises (so to speak).....
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Start another thread, maybe? :rolleyes:
 
MrsD123 said:
I don't know how to find my previous posts, but it must have been before I had the information that they had been told about the disease in a particular horse.
These people allowed my horse to get this disease, they think they can shrug their shoulders and move on, but I am not going to capitulate. They have two weaknesses, cash and publicity, I know this sounds like I want to make money out of it, I wanted my horse to have a lovely natural life, and that has not happened, and the problem is ongoing.he is in a small yard without friends to play with indefinely.

Why should I pay for negligence by the yard, why should they not pay for the result of their action (in this case lack of action)
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MrsD123 said:
No, the disease takes from 4/5 days to 14 days to incubate, my horse got the disease well outside this period.
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MrsD123 said:
You are not aware about strangles testing, my horse has never been tested, it is not necessary, it is self evident, it is symptomatic, just as when you go to the doctor with a bacterial infection in your lungs, they don't test for the disease, they treat the symptoms.
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MrsD123 said:
I made the case that no matter how much a horse was insured for, the vet bill could be greater, so I would still be in the same situation.
The bill have only just started to come in, they could go on and on. In the meantime, although my horse is fit and well, he could still be a carrier, therefore has to be kept apart, but that does not mean he has to be stuck in a bog for months, there are areas where he could go and not meet any other horses. As to rambling, I did not want to identify the yard, otherwise I could have been more specific.
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ok seeing as you ignored my question about hacking your sick horse, would you mind telling me how a horse with strangles is still fit and well. ive highlighted where u have said this so save confusion.

i fear people this person isnt a troll, just the average plonker that has no bloody clue and through pure ignorance is neglecting her horses needs in place of her own desire to be hacking to the beach.
 
I suspect the author of this post is an Easter School Holiday Troll who has now dissapeared to consume copious quantities of Easter Eggs and relive us of any more tales of this imaginary horse and yard.

However, if in real life the yard stated that it always initially put new horses on the yard in an isolation box for two weeks then this is what they should have done in this case and if they have not done so they are in breach of contract to the other liveries on the yard and could suffer the consequences of this.

Strangles is a disease that is mainly spread by direct or indirect contact with a carrier or a horse sufferng from strangles. Different horses react differently to this disease.

Clearly an un-well horse should not be ridden.

I would suggest that anyone owning a horse would be wise to have their horse insured for vets fees and have no less than £10,000,000 third party public liability in place (this comes with Gold membership of the BHS as does free legal advice). I would also suggest that one also needs savings to cover any unexpected un-insured vets fees so that in the event of ones horse becoming ill one has the reserves to meet large vets bills etc.

Sadly many owners are un-aware of the amount it can cost in time, money and heartache to treat and care for a sick horse. In some cases fees and expenses can mount up to £20,000 which is a lot of money.
 
I'm starting to suspect trollism....
They have upped the standards haven't they!! :rolleyes:
However, if you buy a horse expecting it to be fit and well throughout all its life so you are able to hack to the beach whenever you want and the horse not cost you any vets bills...you have bought the wrong animal I'm afraid.
K x
 
People save yourself from getting RSI posting hoping to get a sensible answer. I fear Hovis' and I's entry into the 2012 Olympics will occur before that happens..............

Unless anything was posted to suggest where the poor unfortunate horse is (other than in the mind of a cuckoo land resident) then I suspect there is little anyone can do.

If (and i actually hope this is a troll) the situation is real then I can only hope the YO, fellow liveries or some kind hearted local does something about this supposedly sick / not sick / strangles suffering / strangles carrying / fit and well / mudcovered / neglected /much loved pony (delete as appropriate depending on which post you read up to).

In the meantime I suggest you follow my lead - sit back, have a cup of tea, a choccie biscuit and thank the lord the silly wench isn't on your livery yard...........
 
*In one breath she says her horse has blatant strangles symptoms and doesn't need testing, in another she says he's fit and well and is only a carrier.

*She reckons he's in a field so muddy that it's described as a 'bog' despite pretty much nowhere in the country experiencing rain for a number of weeks.

*She talks of vets vees nearing £10000 and then goes on to say her bll is only £400

* She even drops the 'he's not insured' bombshell in there to REALLY get peoples backs up.

...of course she's a troll. I'm (almost) certain of it. If I'm wrong, then I'm going to have to go with HairyCobs theory...
 
Actually a horse CAN be fit and well and be a Strangles carrier and I think this is what the OP is battling with now.

Sometimes after the actual Strangles illness has gone, the horse can hold bacteria in the gutteral pouch which it may or may not shed and infect other horses.

It sounds like the OP has had gutteral washes (hence the sedation/vet bill part) which have returned a positive result so the horse must be segregated from the others to prevent possible spread.

I have to say that unless I had been through the whole saga myself I wouldn't be able to make head nor tale of the OP's posts, but they do make some sort of sense to me.
 
Lady La La said:
*In one breath she says her horse has blatant strangles symptoms and doesn't need testing, in another she says he's fit and well and is only a carrier.

*She reckons he's in a field so muddy that it's described as a 'bog' despite pretty much nowhere in the country experiencing rain for a number of weeks.

*She talks of vets vees nearing £10000 and then goes on to say her bll is only £400

* She even drops the 'he's not insured' bombshell in there to REALLY get peoples backs up.

...of course she's a troll. I'm (almost) certain of it. If I'm wrong, then I'm going to have to go with HairyCobs theory...
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The above and in her other thread she wanted payment from the yard for her time looking after her sick horse and loss of use payment for the weeks she has not been able to ride it and she plucked some random (quite large) number out of the sky!!!
 
foxy one, the point is op is coming out with confliccting posts, now keep in mind this horse has been ill enough to have an abcess, and this is with in 21 days i wouldnt describe a horse that has had strangles to be fit and well that quickley.

i dont however think she is a troll, i had a trawl and shes been harping on about this for some time.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=436692

theres other posts/threads too.
 
jhoward said:
foxy one, the point is op is coming out with confliccting posts, now keep in mind this horse has been ill enough to have an abcess, and this is with in 21 days i wouldnt describe a horse that has had strangles to be fit and well that quickley.
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I agree; but do we know when the horse had symptoms? I really don't think she is a troll
 
Kateyb33 said:
I was told that strangles can be airbourne and can come across on water, is this not true?
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According to my Vet (who is my God as far as I am concerned) if an infected horse drinks from a communal trough and 'snots' (his words) in it then that may pass on infection.

I isolate incoming horses, and post "No contact" notices on stalls and gates. Infection still gets passed on because people apparently cannot read or understand:mad: and still pat the pretty horse and then go on to pat all the others, then, they go to a rescue centre in the same clothes and pat 30 other horses:( It isn't always the fault of the yard, you can do your utmost but you can't police a yard 24/7 or always get people to understand why they shouldn't touch.
 
This was my PM:
The horse has strangles, that is to say on 5th February his temperature went up and his lymph nodes were swollen, subsequently he has had two abcesses, one of which allowed us to collect about a litre of yellow pus from the lymph node, now if you think we need to spend money on tests, when the vet has identified the disease by symptoms, and he has been in contact with others with symptoms, then so be it
The horse needed nursing for three weeks, two or three times a day, I was with him three hours a day every day.
Now he is in a field, he is rolling in mud, why do I need to groom him, I check him over every day and give him a cuddle when he asks. If he wants a groom he will ask me, we are best friends but I would not allow this to happen to my best friend.

This says to be that the horse has abcessess and is unwell, so why would you want to tack it up and hack him?
 
dieseldog said:
Neither side in a Small Claims Court can claim legal fees or any other expenses of each other - so no worries there.
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In some cases, even if the value of the case is more than £5,000, the court could allocate the case to the small claims track. If this happens the usual rule about costs does not apply and if the claimant loses the case, they may have to pay the defendant’s solicitor’s costs. However, if the claimant wins the case, the defendant could be ordered to pay the claimant's costs.

There are costs in the small claims, not sure why you think there wouldn't be??
 
Hovis_and_SidsMum said:
People save yourself from getting RSI posting hoping to get a sensible answer. I fear Hovis' and I's entry into the 2012 Olympics will occur before that happens..............

Unless anything was posted to suggest where the poor unfortunate horse is (other than in the mind of a cuckoo land resident) then I suspect there is little anyone can do.

If (and i actually hope this is a troll) the situation is real then I can only hope the YO, fellow liveries or some kind hearted local does something about this supposedly sick / not sick / strangles suffering / strangles carrying / fit and well / mudcovered / neglected /much loved pony (delete as appropriate depending on which post you read up to).

In the meantime I suggest you follow my lead - sit back, have a cup of tea, a choccie biscuit and thank the lord the silly wench isn't on your livery yard...........
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Yet again, you have hit the nail on the head, very succinctly put -

just off to have that cup of tea, but sadly no choccie biscuits
 
I dont know if this is a Troll or not, will say dont bother trying to sue anyone, just dont do it, too much stress goes along with that path.
Have word with your vet ask can you pay in segments rather than a one off payment.
Once horse is given all clear you can move yard or sell ( you have to disclose horses medical history) might affect price.
Overall advice you are getting here is dont sue, dont ride out, dont wait until your horse asks to be groomed, just groom even a basic brush over and feet.
I do understand that can be very mucky cleaning out feet just for your horse to put straight back into the mud, however it gives you the chance to get rid of anything that might be stuck in there or you might get a smell of infection when cleaning hoof.
Will follow post " cant help it ".
 
Well this is my PM


I am 64 years old actually, started breaking ponies as a teenager, I have only worked in racing yards where things are professional.
I have public liability.
I do not have insurance, in five years without a vet bill, I have re couped the current costs, what I am saying is that no matter how much I piad in insurance, the bill could still be greater.

I make sure my horse is looked after properly and hacked out every day, he is a rescue horse and I am very fond of him, I do not want to sell him as we have been through a lot together, I broke him in, and had all the jabs and worming required.
I am not sure what a troll is, but I am not making this up for publicity if that is what you think




Troll or not, they are certainly not a full shilling. " had all the jabs and worming required" - what does that mean? The first thing I did when I bought my horse was have her vaccinated, wormed her and then had her freezemarked. Its called normal horsecare, especially if you don't know their history ( I didn't even know my horse's name).

I'd also love to know how they got a litre of pus out of a strangles abscess. I nursed a mare years ago with 3 abscesses and she didn't produce 10% of that. I'm also quite surprised that a person aged 64 mentions litres too. Talk to anyone of mid 40s and over and we all still use Imperial (and I was educated to degree level in a metric!!). Also, why calls us "peeps"? Its people unless you spend an unhealthy amount of time with teenagers - or actually are one yourself.

The term "liar, liar pants on fire" springs to mind.
 
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