Yard have been negligent.

I do not understand why so many people think that it is OK for a yard to be negligent, that is to say to ignore their stated isolation policy, and to ignore disease and to tell me lies about sick horses.
Strangles is not a part of owning a horse, In twenty years, I have worked in yards with 1000 horse, and no strangles. The BHS welfare section are tracing an outbreak in Central Scotland, in particular they are looking at three dealers bringing regular consignments from Ireland.
 
MrsD123 said:
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My poor pony has suffered dreadfully, and I have suffered with him, now he is in a new yard, he is rolling in the mud like it was made for him, he has a new best [boy] friend and two grey mares to kiss and cuddle. He gets a big feed with oats , and a soft deep bed at night.
We were lucky to find a yard to take him as most would not, he had to leave the place where he contracted strangles, because I was angry that they had allowed this to happen, and at the end, in spite of having 3000 acres of land, they stuck him in a bog for six weeks on his own, he did not understand what he had done that was so wrong.
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Love it! 'he is now rolling in mud like it was made for him' when he had apparently been stuck in bog!
And since when has a horse had 'understanding' of what he had done so wrong?
 
MrsD123 said:
I do not understand why so many people think that it is OK for a yard to be negligent, that is to say to ignore their stated isolation policy, and to ignore disease and to tell me lies about sick horses.
Strangles is not a part of owning a horse, In twenty years, I have worked in yards with 1000 horse, and no strangles. The BHS welfare section are tracing an outbreak in Central Scotland, in particular they are looking at three dealers bringing regular consignments from Ireland.
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Nobody is saying its ok for a yard to be negligent all people are saying is it happens and its something you take on board when you own a horse im still shocked you dont have your horse insured,even my rabbit is insured.
 
It's not ok it's a Sh#ter ! but the thing is you took a risk with not insuring your horse !

If I chose not to insure my horse I would think... now what will happen if a horse goes to camp and comes back to strangles !! Horses get infected end of. the biggest problem with strangles is that people do not communicate about it ... not the strangles itself.

It is seen to be this thing to hide away from but I have to say if it was my horse i would be petrified but I would also make damn sure that everyone knew their horses were at risk so that know one else felt the same as me !!
 
Agree with what you said about been scared to shout about the fact your horse has strangles because of peoples attitudes about it,things like this are part and parcel of equine ownership as it is with been a mum and kids catching things.
 
bugaboo said:
Nobody is saying its ok for a yard to be negligent all people are saying is it happens and its something you take on board when you own a horse im still shocked you dont have your horse insured,even my rabbit is insured.
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I am very careful with my horse, I have a lifetimes experience of horse, I only do happy hacking, I am therefor a low risk owner, in the last five years, i have had five horse on loan or of my own.
Before I took my horse to this yard I asked about isolation and about experience and qualifications of staff.
In the last five years, have only called the vet out for routine stuff (that is until the strangles).
I use a world class farrier
The teeth are inspected by a specialist.
He has had the horse whisperer who also does physio.
Previously my horses were noted for looking happy, fit and well, due to grooming, feed and exercise.
The point is I prefer to pay for my horse to be looked after, rather than pay for insurance, no matter how much insurance, it would have a limit, and then it would be useless. Also the insurance companies would not always pay out, so I would have to be prepared to pay vets bill anyway.
 
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MrsD123 said:
I am very careful with my horse, I have a lifetimes experience of horse, I only do happy hacking, I am therefor a low risk owner, in the last five years, i have had five horse on loan or of my own.
Before I took my horse to this yard I asked about isolation and about experience and qualifications of staff.
I have only called the vet out for routine stuff (that is until the strangles).
I use a world class farrier
The teeth are inspected by a specialist.
He has has the horse whisperer.
Previously my horses are noted for looking fit and well, due to grooming, feed and exercise.
The point is I prefer to pay for my horse to be looked after, rather than pay for insurance, no matter how much insurance, it would have a limit, and then it would be useless.
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Thats your call but for me any responsible owner insures all animals owned by them,you never know when that one thing you cant control [i.e your current situation] or cant afford crops up.And as for it been useless you would be amazed how much insurers will pay out for a completely well looked after and fit horse when jay got him PSD they paid for everything going into thousands.
 
amymay said:
Any illness is part of working with horses, your implied experience should inform you of that.
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I am not aware that illness is part of horse ownership, it is part of poor management that is for sure.
I have only called out the emergency vet to two cases of colic, other things like ligaments and cuts etc, do occur, but if you expose horse to barbed wire fences, for example, then you get back to negligence/ignorance
 
frozzy said:
MRS D123 can I ask which part of Scotland you are?
Following on from your livery thread can I ask please why you are not keeping him where you proposed starting your livery business?
Just being interested really. Glad that your horse is now in a better place but are you sure he isnt still carrying strangles?
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In order to be sure is was not a carrier he had to suffer a scope and wash of the Gutteral Pouches; this is invasive and ghastly, he was knocked out for this, he had already been knocked out for a scalpel to cut open the lymph modes to allow the pus to drain, we caught all the yellow pus in a bucket, there was a lot of it.
I tried to get the estate next door to start up a grass livery, so I could take him there and run it properly!, but they decided cattle were more profitable.
 
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bugaboo said:
Thats your call but for me any responsible owner insures all animals owned by them,you never know when that one thing you cant control [i.e your current situation] or cant afford crops up.And as for it been useless you would be amazed how much insurers will pay out for a completely well looked after and fit horse when jay got him PSD they paid for everything going into thousands.
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In five years I would have paid out more than the vets bills, it is NOT about the bills, it is about the suffering and distress that was unnecessary, obviously people who pay insurance are happy to pay it, I prefer not to, as I have a limited budget.
If I had unlimited funds then I would pay for insurance well actually, I would not have to , would I?
I have seen horses insured, and going through all the procedures until the money runs out, sometimes it is in the horses' interest that it is put down to stop suffering and ensure it does not have a prolonged life just to prevent the owner, or the vet having to make a difficult decision.
 
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MrsD123 said:
In five years I would have paid out more than the vets bills, it is NOT about the bills, it is about the suffering and distress that was unnecessary, obviously people who pay insurance are happy to pay it, I prefer not to, as I have a limited budget.
If I had unlimited funds then I would pay for insurance. I have seen horses insured, and going through all the procedures until the money runs out, sometimes it is in the horses' interest that it is put down to stop suffering and ensure it does not have a prolonged life just to prevent the owner having to make a difficult decision.
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What aload of tripe
 
MrsD123 said:
If I had unlimited funds then I would pay for insurance.
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If you had unlimited funds you wouldn't be in need of insurance surely? I don't have any of my horses insured because I can ride whatever the costs of vet bills are for them, however if I was in your situation where you were struggling to pay these costs then I would take out insurance. You are a prime candidate for having equine insurance so that the funds are readily available when it's needed.
 
Ladylina83 said:
It's not ok it's a Sh#ter ! but the thing is you took a risk with not insuring your horse !

If I chose not to insure my horse I would think... now what will happen if a horse goes to camp and comes back to strangles !! Horses get infected end of. the biggest problem with strangles is that people do not communicate about it ... not the strangles itself.

It is seen to be this thing to hide away from but I have to say if it was my horse i would be petrified but I would also make damn sure that everyone knew their horses were at risk so that know one else felt the same as me !!
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You can now (April 2011)vaccinate against strangles if you want, it is recommended for horse who go to competitions
 
Spring Feather said:
If you had unlimited funds you wouldn't be in need of insurance surely? I don't have any of my horses insured because I can ride whatever the costs of vet bills are for them, however if I was in your situation where you were struggling to pay these costs then I would take out insurance. You are a prime candidate for having equine insurance so that the funds are readily available when it's needed.
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Yes, please read the next line of my post which makes that very point. What if I insured for £5K and the bill was £6K, .......... I would be in exactly the same position. I have tried to say this time and time again, insurance is fine if if fits your requirements, it is a massive industry because it is profitable for the companies concerned, and these days vets will ask you , are you insured or not,,,,,,,,,, they need to know because treatment can be different.
 
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The trouble is that on this forum we are dealing with a lot of kiddies and people who know very little, but for sure they all have something to say.
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Dear me put your toys back in the cot im far from a child and know enough to accept the fact horses may at some point in a lifetime contract strangles so na na na na na.

Oh and you dont need to send me anymore PM's cheers chucky ducky.
 
MrsD123 said:
Yes, please read the next line of my post which makes that very point. What if I insured for £5K and the bill was £6K, .......... I would be in exactly the same position. I have tried to say this time and time again, insurance is fine if if fits your requirements, it is a massive industry because it is profitable for the companies concerned, and these days vets will ask you , are you insured or not,,,,,,,,,, they need to know because treatment can be different.
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I did read it. You said you had limited funds, which is precisely why insurance works well because you only pay a small proportion each month. If you insurance were to cover you for £5k worth of treatment but your bill came to £6k then you'd pay £1k and your insurance would pay £5k. If you have no insurance and are on a limited budget your bill would be £6k if charged at insurance prices or £3k-£4k if you hold no insurance. Either way you'd be b*ggered because you are on a limited budget.
 
Spring Feather said:
I did read it. You said you had limited funds, which is precisely why insurance works well because you only pay a small proportion each month. If you insurance were to cover you for £5k worth of treatment but your bill came to £6k then you'd pay £1k and your insurance would pay £5k. If you have no insurance and are on a limited budget your bill would be £6k if charged at insurance prices or £3k-£4k if you hold no insurance. Either way you'd be b*ggered because you are on a limited budget.
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I can hear a brain exploding coming up with the next excuse!
 
MrsD123 said:
Spring Feather said:
I don't have any of my horses insured because I can ride whatever the costs of vet bills are for them,
OK what if one of your horses twisted a foreleg, this is repairable but would cost £120K, and it would be only able to walk in a field for the rest of its life, would you pay?
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£120k for treatment on a twisted ankle lol!!! Thanks you made me smile :D
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MrsD123 said:
I am very careful with my horse, I have a lifetimes experience of horse, I only do happy hacking, I am therefor a low risk owner, in the last five years, i have had five horse on loan or of my own.
Before I took my horse to this yard I asked about isolation and about experience and qualifications of staff.
In the last five years, have only called the vet out for routine stuff (that is until the strangles).
I use a world class farrier
The teeth are inspected by a specialist.
He has had the horse whisperer who also does physio.
Previously my horses were noted for looking happy, fit and well, due to grooming, feed and exercise.
The point is I prefer to pay for my horse to be looked after, rather than pay for insurance, no matter how much insurance, it would have a limit, and then it would be useless. Also the insurance companies would not always pay out, so I would have to be prepared to pay vets bill anyway.
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OH
MY
GOD
 
LOL! She still hasn't said what she wants to get out of posting the original thread. Don't feed. She just waits until it dies down and then comes on to stir it up and enjoy the reactions again. :-)
 
"it was going round the Gretna/Annan/Carlisle area last heard"

I bloody hope not......
When was this??
Has it been confirmed??

I know it was in south Scotland not Carlisle however :/
 
I really don't know why people are wasting their time with this woman, you cannot reason with the unreasonable.

The OP changes her tune/mind constantly, first she tells us she has a lifetime of experience with horses and in the next breath says she has loaned/owned for only five years. It is pretty obvious that she has no real experience but is a know it all with a blame mentality - leave her to her ramblings.
 
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