Yard opinion

Ariston

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Posting in the hope of getting some unbiased opinions on yard situation for my eventer.

I’ve been at my current place for 2.5 years, mostly very happily. It’s DIY but I pay for part livery services on top. I have to order all my hay, feed and bedding to be delivered, although can normally double up with someone else ordering - but it’s q a lot of admin, and I don’t have a lot of time spare/am not able to get there every day to monitor what I have or need.

My yard owner rides for me when I can’t, at £25 a time, and lunges for £15. The school is great, and the grazing is fine - a field to myself all year as my horse is not great turned out in a group. The yard itself is fine but not perfect - the stable is quite small, the yard is quite scruffy, blocked drains outside my stable which means year round puddles (and flies), and a lack of tie up points because there’s a lot of grass liveries who get brought in to ride and need to be tied up. It’s busy all the time, and taking my dog there is quite stressful due to the number of other dogs (particularly big boisterous ones).

I’m now 8 months pregnant and recently had to stop riding, so am really struggling to get enough work into my horse (who needs 4-5 times a week) - my yard owner can only do a couple of days a week so I’m scrabbling to get him ridden by a number of others.

The alternative is the competition yard next door (owned by some very close friends). It’s got loads of facilities - although I get to use those already - and is a very different set up; very much a livery/competition yard. My husband already has a horse on loan there (on grass livery) so we are often backwards and forwards between the two yards, and I have good friends who stable and work there. The costs would work out relatively similar - except for I’d be paying for a part livery package and not have to think about ordering my feed, bedding, hay etc. There’s staff onsite, all of whom I’d be happy hacking or schooling my horse, and my friend herself is a 3* eventer so could school/jump/prepare my horse for me getting back on board post-baby.

The stables are huge, albeit they are rubber matted with very very minimal beds - literally enough to soak up wee, which isn’t my ideal. He would be turned out for 4 hours a day (as opposed to 6 now) - not as much but he’s a bit of a field diva, so 4 is plenty.

If I moved I wouldn’t be able to move back were things to change....the current yard has a long waiting list, and the owner would probably be pretty miffed I’d decamped to her neighbour. There is a real lack of other yards locally so not lots of other options unfortunately.

I think I’m just looking for a bit of reassurance that moving to suit my current life stage wouldn’t be a bad idea 🤯 I’m dreading a winter at the current yard, scrabbling riders together and trying to keep baby warm and dry without a barn stable/indoor tie up point. But equally I keep thinking better the devil I know and do I really want to go back to handing over responsibility to someone else (which at the moment is exactly what I want to do!).

Opinions welcome!
 
Can't you let him down for a season, and then get him back when you are ready to go again. Turn him away for as long as he tolerates the weather, and then just bring him in at night? A rest never did them any harm, especially removing shoes to give feet a break
 
Can't you let him down for a season, and then get him back when you are ready to go again. Turn him away for as long as he tolerates the weather, and then just bring him in at night? A rest never did them any harm, especially removing shoes to give feet a break
Sadly not - he doesn’t suit turning away at all. Mentally it bores him, and physically he has a weak sacroiliac which gets worse with time off
 
the second yard sounds like it has so many positives. Would the current YO would have to have some sympathy with the pregnancy etc? It really sounds like the most logical thing to move
 
the second yard sounds like it has so many positives. Would the current YO would have to have some sympathy with the pregnancy etc? It really sounds like the most logical thing to move
It does have a lot of positives but still has its drawbacks - the schools don’t cope as well with bad weather (freezing etc) and the grazing is more limited.
Yard owner may feel sympathetic but is likely to take it personally - plus she has people begging for stables constantly so I’d go back to the bottom of the waiting list!
 
I would totally be the same about the bedding.I hate skimpy beds on rubber .would there be any possiblity you add in extra shavings andtheir staff just skip out? But your hubby takes the wet stuff up once or twice a week? If you deep littered the wet would just sink to bottom and you could sort a system?
 
I wouldn't let skimpy beds on rubber matting put me off a yard, a small stable puts me off more. I think you'll have a much easier time of it and the horse will get much more consistency if you move him. You need to be concentrating on yourself and your new arrival, not wasting energy dreading winter and worrying about bedding, feed, getting people to ride etc. Plus having both horses in one place will make it much easier once you and your husband are juggling horse care and child care! Your current yard sound stressful tbh. Yard owners that take things like clients moving yards because it'll be easier while they are pregnant personally are just plain annoying. If she wants to take it personally she could just offer you the services you need. If she can't do that then that's on her head.
 
I think the other yard is a better option for your needs this winter so I would go, I would say that you don't want him bedded on basically just mats and just pay for extra bedding which I can't see that being a problem.
 
Competition yard sounds poor for horse care - minimal turnout and otherwise not even in on nice absorbant beds - sounds like it is set up for convenince not the best thing for the horse.
I wouldnt' underestimate the effect of the los of 14 hours a week turnout - 6 is already very minimal for a horse especially once who benefits from exercise for his s/iliac.
Can you pay a freelance 25/ride to ride the days YO cant?
Does the seocnd yard have turnout all year round or might it stop in winter? IF surface and turnout and bedding on second yard is worse I'm struggling to see what is better?
 
I'd keep him where he currently is and turn him away. That will be better for his sacroiliac than being stabled 20 hours a day. Turning a horse with sacroiliac problems away just means you have to bring them back into work carefully, it could even do him some good?

I wouldn't ever move my horse to a yard with 4 hours turnout a day, think of the horses mentality. Failing that as SusieT said, get a freelance rider out or a sharer/loaner. Horse seems happy where he currently is.
 
I'd keep him where he currently is and turn him away. That will be better for his sacroiliac than being stabled 20 hours a day. Turning a horse with sacroiliac problems away just means you have to bring them back into work carefully, it could even do him some good?

I wouldn't ever move my horse to a yard with 4 hours turnout a day, think of the horses mentality. Failing that as SusieT said, get a freelance rider out or a sharer/loaner. Horse seems happy where he currently is.

The advice from my vet - and my experience with this horse - is that turning away would absolutely not be in his interests - the sort of muscle he needs to maintain strength in his sacroiliac doesn't come from wandering (or more likely hooning) round a field 24/7 - he needs to be in a structured work programme that maintains the muscles to support his sacroiliac. Turning him away would be against vet's advice and so is not an option - it doesn't 'just mean bringing him back to work carefully'. We've found a routine that works for him now, and it involves careful management of his workload and turnout - at the moment I have more turnout hours available to me, but it just doesn't work for this horse. I'm sure some horses with sacroiliac issues benefit from additional turnout, but this one doesn't.

I am absolutely thinking of my horse's mentality - hence considering moving somewhere he gets the work that he does best on.

At this stage I also have to balance the wellbeing of my horse, with the wellbeing of my baby....the last thing I want to be doing is going to check a field-kept and likely lame horse in mid-winter, with a newborn and all that entails.
 
Ariston, you clearly know your horse extremely well and have spoken to your vet who can advise best, its very hard for us to judge not knowing your horse and what works best. I wrote my comment purely on my opinion and as you said some horses it doesn't hurt them to have some time off even with a sacroiliac issues but every horse is different.

All the best!
Aimeetess
 
I would move from what you've said. Apart from the beds being small I think it sounds like a better and more organised yard and will mean you are less stressed while going to the yard with your new baby. Also means you and you your husband can go to the yard together and only have to make 1 trip. Id definitely move!
 
You know your horse better than anyone and if you feel he'd be happy with 4 hours turnout a day, then I'd definitely move him. Mr B would be happy with 4 hours turnout as long as he had hay to eat in his stable and regular exercise at the right level and with a bit of variety. I am always pleasantly surprised how happy is is when we go away for training and he's in 24/7 except for our lessons. If the yo is amenable I'd also put a bigger bed in and be prepared to pay a bit extra but when they lie down in the field they don't lie on a soft bed and in a bigger stable he's less likely to lie in his own poo etc. I have large stables and only put a bed on half of it (rubber with a hay pellet topping about 6 inches deep) horse always stales in the same place and piles his poo up against the back wall, it is very quick to muck out. Congrats on the baby, I hope it all goes well.
 
I think I would consider the longer term, as your baby grows up you need to consider taking them with you even if its not all the time which yard would be most suitable, where could you park your car so you can see the baby if they are sleeping, are the boisterous dogs going to be a risk when your baby is a little bigger? which is the most parent and child friendly?
The idea of not having to organise all your consumable order will be a great help especially in the period when your baby will not sleeping all night as you will be tired/ emotional / wired / lacking cognitive skills lol so any responsibility you can free up will be helpful!
Maybe you have so much help that you will never have to take the baby but if you don't I would take that all into account before you decide.
 
I would look fir a good loaner or a younger but good rider who wants to ride, in return I would pay a token fee and for a few lessons a week. It my mean you continue forward with someone else keeping up his ridden work alongside you whilst to return to riding.
I would look for it to be a long term thing t least whilst you little one is your.
I am not sure what I would do Re yard, minimal turn out is not something I would do but I would not do small stables either.
 
Some thoughts:-

When you say current box is small, Is the current stable under 12x12? for a large eventer? If so I'd not be happy spending 18 hours in it.

How well do you know the care at yard 2? Can you influence and ensure your horse gets his needs met whilst you are away? If so, then it sounds logical, especially for the first few years of new baby. Was there a reason you didn’t move to yard 2, with your friend in the first place?

Alternative would be a freelance paid groom to do the extra not done at yard 1. E.g. ordering feed, riding, any other extras.
 
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