malibu211211
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Hmm! What would you think if your yard owner kept her dead aunt (cremated obviously) in the tack room?
No really, she does!!!
No really, she does!!!
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Syrah
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Hmm! What would you think if your yard owner kept her dead aunt (cremated obviously) in the tack room?
No really, she does!!!
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OMFG!
Hmm! What would you think if your yard owner kept her dead aunt (cremated obviously) in the tack room?
No really, she does!!!
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OMFG!
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
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Hmm! What would you think if your yard owner kept her dead aunt (cremated obviously) in the tack room?
No really, she does!!!
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Well, actually I think it would be worse if she kept a live aunt in the tack room.
I have a lack of moral fibre, though.
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Hmm! What would you think if your yard owner kept her dead aunt (cremated obviously) in the tack room?
No really, she does!!!
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Well, actually I think it would be worse if she kept a live aunt in the tack room.
I have a lack of moral fibre, though.
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malibu211211
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Hmm! What would you think if your yard owner kept her dead aunt (cremated obviously) in the tack room?
No really, she does!!!
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Well, actually I think it would be worse if she kept a live aunt in the tack room.
I have a lack of moral fibre, though.
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Yep, she is kept just under the electric meter, bless her
Someone to talk to when you're down the yard by yourself
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Hmm! What would you think if your yard owner kept her dead aunt (cremated obviously) in the tack room?
No really, she does!!!
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Well, actually I think it would be worse if she kept a live aunt in the tack room.
I have a lack of moral fibre, though.
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Yep, she is kept just under the electric meter, bless her
Someone to talk to when you're down the yard by yourself
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Donkeymad
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I have no contract, written or verbal. There are no rules, no leaving notices, infact, no YO - except me
Shannagolden
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My YO now is loverly but I was on one yard where the YO only allowed 1hr turn out per day and none on sundays or bank hollidays. She also wanted to keep all the liveries horse passports! My young horse was fretting so i decided to move. As i'd already heard stories of her crazieness i took the liberty of moving my most of tack before i told her and gave her livery money for the notice period. She then took the news very badly and tried to pull me out of my car by my head. My friend who was with me at the time was horrified and tried to stop her but luckily th yo's handy man came and pulled her away. I then had to ride my poor horse over a 30 tonne muck heap to escape as she had double padlocked the gate! The list goes on, god she was nuts!
aimeerose
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Sadly I think many liveries attach more importance to their status in the YO head than actually happens.
Yes people leave for a dozen reasons, they may hate their next door neighbour (stable), they resent the YO having more turn out than them, or they get fed up with muddy paddocks/ too many horses, what have you..
Please remember if you leave the YO doesn't take it as a personal insult!
Some folks chnge yards like they change their phones, and some will never be satisfied.
Some change because they move/want better hacking/just fancy a change of scenery.
The best way is to give your YO notice and smile when you do it. Thank them for their help (and many of us do give loads of help believe me, I am considered to be the first port of call before the vet/feed merchant/instructor etc all unpaid!)
Make up a reason if it makes you feel better but leave on good terms.
You never know if you may want to go back...
Leaving without notice is cowardly and sly, and I for one would be offended. I wouldn't chuck your horse out on the road without notice so would expect the same consideration back.
In over 35 years of being a YO I have thrown just two people out, and then with notice.
One was caught in the act of stealing hay, the other was a raving nutter who rang her fellow liveries and accused them of hitting her horse round the head. When asked why she said "God had told her.."
She refused to go so I wrote to her warning her that at the end of the month's notice I would tie her horse out in the lane, and I would have too..
I've never had contracts with any of mine, I tell them it's a mutual trust situation, I will do my best for their horse and in return I trust them to pay me. Often they struggle and are late but it's rare for me to have to remind anyone, they just pay when they can.
I'm getting to an age when secretly I wish I had no liveries, as I find the worry at night thinking they might be cold or wet upsetting. But I agreed to care for their horses until they died and so I shall unless I get too ill to cope.
The DIY liveries I have now are nice people and I find being honest works best with them, if they fail to sweep up I do it in front of them, they then usually take the hint!
The days when I had 15 DIY's weren't easy, so please think before you cast nasty comments about your YO. Do you always pay on time without being asked?
Do you sweep up, don't disturb them at meal times and always expect them to be oracles of knowlege about every ailment and ridden problem?
Do you realise how much money has gone into providing the arena/stabling/jumps for your use? The average arena costs around £20k how long would it take for the profit from your livery take to cover that cost?
All I'm saying is see it from someone else's point of view.
I had to be a DIY on three yards with 15 horses for six months when we sold our last house, and believe me they were sorry to see me go..I behaved as every DIY should and never had a cross word with anyone.
Yes most YO think inwardly "Damn , that's x amount I'll lose when they move" when you give notice, but they don't resent you for it.
just move with dignity and goodwill is all we ask...
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perfectly said
Sadly I think many liveries attach more importance to their status in the YO head than actually happens.
Yes people leave for a dozen reasons, they may hate their next door neighbour (stable), they resent the YO having more turn out than them, or they get fed up with muddy paddocks/ too many horses, what have you..
Please remember if you leave the YO doesn't take it as a personal insult!
Some folks chnge yards like they change their phones, and some will never be satisfied.
Some change because they move/want better hacking/just fancy a change of scenery.
The best way is to give your YO notice and smile when you do it. Thank them for their help (and many of us do give loads of help believe me, I am considered to be the first port of call before the vet/feed merchant/instructor etc all unpaid!)
Make up a reason if it makes you feel better but leave on good terms.
You never know if you may want to go back...
Leaving without notice is cowardly and sly, and I for one would be offended. I wouldn't chuck your horse out on the road without notice so would expect the same consideration back.
In over 35 years of being a YO I have thrown just two people out, and then with notice.
One was caught in the act of stealing hay, the other was a raving nutter who rang her fellow liveries and accused them of hitting her horse round the head. When asked why she said "God had told her.."
She refused to go so I wrote to her warning her that at the end of the month's notice I would tie her horse out in the lane, and I would have too..
I've never had contracts with any of mine, I tell them it's a mutual trust situation, I will do my best for their horse and in return I trust them to pay me. Often they struggle and are late but it's rare for me to have to remind anyone, they just pay when they can.
I'm getting to an age when secretly I wish I had no liveries, as I find the worry at night thinking they might be cold or wet upsetting. But I agreed to care for their horses until they died and so I shall unless I get too ill to cope.
The DIY liveries I have now are nice people and I find being honest works best with them, if they fail to sweep up I do it in front of them, they then usually take the hint!
The days when I had 15 DIY's weren't easy, so please think before you cast nasty comments about your YO. Do you always pay on time without being asked?
Do you sweep up, don't disturb them at meal times and always expect them to be oracles of knowlege about every ailment and ridden problem?
Do you realise how much money has gone into providing the arena/stabling/jumps for your use? The average arena costs around £20k how long would it take for the profit from your livery take to cover that cost?
All I'm saying is see it from someone else's point of view.
I had to be a DIY on three yards with 15 horses for six months when we sold our last house, and believe me they were sorry to see me go..I behaved as every DIY should and never had a cross word with anyone.
Yes most YO think inwardly "Damn , that's x amount I'll lose when they move" when you give notice, but they don't resent you for it.
just move with dignity and goodwill is all we ask...
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perfectly said
LindaW
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My yard owners are farmers, lovely couple, not particularly horsey. If anything I've been undercharged a couple of times for things.
LindaW
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Oops clicked continue before I was finished.
When I point it out to them, half the tim they say not to worry about it.
Very kind and helpful when my mare had colic earlier tonight too.
When I point it out to them, half the tim they say not to worry about it.
Very kind and helpful when my mare had colic earlier tonight too.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
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Oops clicked continue before I was finished.
When I point it out to them, half the tim they say not to worry about it.
Very kind and helpful when my mare had colic earlier tonight too.
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Sounds like you are one of the lucky liveries.
If you want to change/add to any post you make, you can click on 'Edit' and it lets you....but it has to be fairly soon after you originally send it.
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Oops clicked continue before I was finished.
When I point it out to them, half the tim they say not to worry about it.
Very kind and helpful when my mare had colic earlier tonight too.
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Sounds like you are one of the lucky liveries.
If you want to change/add to any post you make, you can click on 'Edit' and it lets you....but it has to be fairly soon after you originally send it.
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simsav
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mine is a nightmare!! - the yard has gone completely downhill in the last few years - being kicked out of the school when the "favourite" livery comes up and wants to use it, repairs not being done (hole in the roof of one of the stables I use), stables not secure, doors coming off hinges, rocks and hardcore in the field, no grass - just mud! too many horses in the field, rugs not being changed - so my boy has his outdoor rug on all night - I have found somewhere else thank god and am moving them at the weekend but the YO of the old place has told me he will not let me take my horses off his yard!! I think I may have to get the police involved, which I do not want to have to do.
Cop-Pop
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I love my YO
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I hope its consensual or Mr Policeman may be visiting.
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Oooh I have a bit of a thing for policemen.....
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I love my YO
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I hope its consensual or Mr Policeman may be visiting.
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Oooh I have a bit of a thing for policemen.....
StaceyTanglewood
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Sometimes i think i would love to put one of the liveries in charge for a week and let them see how difficult it really is !!
Im sure they think we dont do anything all day and just have fun !! not that we have to get people to work, sort out emergencies, source hay and bedding - also keep the fields nice and the fencing !!
then you have liveries that dont clear up, leave the school lights on and in the hay barn, dont lock gates leave jumps out !! and they wonder why we get the hump sometimes xx
Im sure they think we dont do anything all day and just have fun !! not that we have to get people to work, sort out emergencies, source hay and bedding - also keep the fields nice and the fencing !!
then you have liveries that dont clear up, leave the school lights on and in the hay barn, dont lock gates leave jumps out !! and they wonder why we get the hump sometimes xx
henryhorn
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Sorry Shils but you did rather ask for it
I agree there are some bad YOs' out there, but the best thing with them is to go eslewhere.
I recall being astonished when I visited a horse we had bred that was on a large Surrey yard. His owneres were instructed what clip they were allowed to have, and were told he must wear a summer sheet all summer to keep him clean to help their grooming regime. (he was on full livery)
The YO ruled with a rod of iron and I couldn't have stuck that level of dictatorship five minutes. (I bet some of the people on here are on that yard, the SM had red hair and the place was owned by a farrier)
So I agree good and bad.
But boy could I tell some stories about liveries, the woman who fed her horse on one small bucket of mollichop a day plus rotting veg from the local market (no hay)
The one who built a straw bed thre feet deep (we measured it) her horse couldn't climb on it to lie down. It also wore three polywarm rugs, sweating off it's weight.
The dolly bird who tied her horse through the rungs of the ladder whilst the painter was at the top because it was in front of her tie ring..
There are dozens more believe me!
My favourite story about a YO was someone who told her liveries not to use a fork to muck out because scaping it on the floor wore out the prongs....
I agree there are some bad YOs' out there, but the best thing with them is to go eslewhere.
I recall being astonished when I visited a horse we had bred that was on a large Surrey yard. His owneres were instructed what clip they were allowed to have, and were told he must wear a summer sheet all summer to keep him clean to help their grooming regime. (he was on full livery)
The YO ruled with a rod of iron and I couldn't have stuck that level of dictatorship five minutes. (I bet some of the people on here are on that yard, the SM had red hair and the place was owned by a farrier)
So I agree good and bad.
But boy could I tell some stories about liveries, the woman who fed her horse on one small bucket of mollichop a day plus rotting veg from the local market (no hay)
The one who built a straw bed thre feet deep (we measured it) her horse couldn't climb on it to lie down. It also wore three polywarm rugs, sweating off it's weight.
The dolly bird who tied her horse through the rungs of the ladder whilst the painter was at the top because it was in front of her tie ring..
There are dozens more believe me!
My favourite story about a YO was someone who told her liveries not to use a fork to muck out because scaping it on the floor wore out the prongs....
M_G
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Well said HH, I am on a yard which works on trust we help each other (very small place) the only stabled horses are my 1 and YO's 2 we will muck out /turn out / brin in for each other and its a happy friendly place to be
BeckyD
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Despite this being the largest yard I've been on, I have no contract. I have no idea how much notice must be given (by either side). If I knew, then I would definitely give the correct amount of notice as I'm generally very honourable
MillionDollar
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As a future yard owner yes there will be a full written contract, liveries will be paying a month's livery in advance. I would like to have a month's notice and same goes for them.
I'm fully expecting bitching about me, I don't care at all as they are not my friends, but customers, so I don't care what they think about me as a person.
I'm fully expecting bitching about me, I don't care at all as they are not my friends, but customers, so I don't care what they think about me as a person.
Theresa_F
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I have always left on good terms with the YO - I always pay promptly, offer to pay for any damage caused by my horses, clean up after me and try to avoid causing problems.
I am very happy on my current yard. Boys are always looked after, with thought, ie if it is warm they rug appropriately.
I am also very upfront as to my requirements - producing written spec so there are no misunderstandings. I do often come up late due to work, need a certain amount of set livery, expect x amount of turnout etc and do my best to make sure that I understand their terms.
I have always met my notice period. One yard did not have a notice period, but I still gave them two weeks. That said, if my horses were being mistreated, I would leave without notice and pay what was due.
YO can be very fussy about keeping place just so, but this suits me 100% as I like a clean and tidy yard with everything returned to its place.
I am very happy on my current yard. Boys are always looked after, with thought, ie if it is warm they rug appropriately.
I am also very upfront as to my requirements - producing written spec so there are no misunderstandings. I do often come up late due to work, need a certain amount of set livery, expect x amount of turnout etc and do my best to make sure that I understand their terms.
I have always met my notice period. One yard did not have a notice period, but I still gave them two weeks. That said, if my horses were being mistreated, I would leave without notice and pay what was due.
YO can be very fussy about keeping place just so, but this suits me 100% as I like a clean and tidy yard with everything returned to its place.
HayleyUK
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My YO's are a bit nuts tbh.. thank god I'm moving.
*The fields are expected to look like lawns. So if stuff gets muddy/messed up, she has a fit & keeps us in for a few days or makes us move to other grazing thats knee high.
*I was told there was daily turn out unless the weather was really bad..
If it rains for like 10 mins, she makes them stay in all day.. unless you can go back to turn out when it suits her (hello-commitments like work and uni?!)
*They move haylege bales etc from around the school whilst your riding & claim "I didnt see" you when ponies go nuts- they caused a lady to fall off badly bruising her entire back.
*Generally, there is no concern for your ponies well being, Mine can't eat haylege coz it sents her nuts.. so I said so. She told me I was being stupid & I needed her to be fizzy. So i said it was on vets advice.. to which she said "the vets are lying to you, what do they know? They just want you to call them out more when your pony is coughing because of hay". Also, feeding her hay causes weeds in the paddock.. umm, there are none?
Generally, they're not horsey & a bit nuts!
So glad I'm leaving.
*The fields are expected to look like lawns. So if stuff gets muddy/messed up, she has a fit & keeps us in for a few days or makes us move to other grazing thats knee high.
*I was told there was daily turn out unless the weather was really bad..
If it rains for like 10 mins, she makes them stay in all day.. unless you can go back to turn out when it suits her (hello-commitments like work and uni?!)
*They move haylege bales etc from around the school whilst your riding & claim "I didnt see" you when ponies go nuts- they caused a lady to fall off badly bruising her entire back.
*Generally, there is no concern for your ponies well being, Mine can't eat haylege coz it sents her nuts.. so I said so. She told me I was being stupid & I needed her to be fizzy. So i said it was on vets advice.. to which she said "the vets are lying to you, what do they know? They just want you to call them out more when your pony is coughing because of hay". Also, feeding her hay causes weeds in the paddock.. umm, there are none?
Generally, they're not horsey & a bit nuts!
So glad I'm leaving.
Flame_
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Funny, a third Cheshire person with YO issues, I'm seeing a pattern here.
