Yard Rant (Sorry!!)

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Before I start I will apologise as this is a Monday rant.

I moved livery yards earlier in the year to get away from the constant bitching and sniping at the old yard, this seemed to work I found the current yard, a little rundown maybe but homely nevertheless, all was decided the move happened on the horses had been living there happily since.

Just recently things have started to go wrong, firstly I ended up moving 30 miles away from the yard not a choice but by being forced as my landlord was selling up and there was a complete lack of anything else suitable in the area. Ordinarily during summer this would not pose a problem at any yard that I've been on as out means out and unless the entire place is 6 feet under water the horses stay exactly where they are. I resolved I'd have to move them for winter & carried on.

Things really started to go wrong when every time there was a slight shower the yard owner would text everyone to bring horses in. Bearing in mind this yard is located in Northern Ireland on top of the hill therefore it's quite well-drained as being in Northern Ireland it is quite prone to rain too. Of course, working 12 hour days and living 30 miles away from the yard, makes it somewhat impossible to respond his instantaneous demands of vanishing horses, especially as these text messages usually come at six or seven o'clock at night just as you got in the door.

Despite this I persevered, rotating the horses between two fields on downhill slope every two weeks as I have always done both at home and on livery yards. There have been many times I have arrived there to find the horses have moved fields without my knowledge of permission in the past, usually just after I've put them in a fresh field. The week before last the yard owner decided it would be a great idea if you could use back in the field to mow down the bridle path and, I said yes of course why not, so the owner put a gate into to the bridle path out of their top field so that they grazed the overgrown grass on the path down.

Due to a busy week I didnt get up there to check out what had happened, however when I got there on Saturday I found out that this bridal path had been strewn with all manner of debris including broken jump poles with sharp splintered ends sticking out, construction rubble, and fence wire offcuts and ragwort. This is before we mention there is a complete lack of access to water for the animals in the track.

The yard owner was not about, and so I put my animals back in the field and closed his gate onto the bridle path. Imagine my surprise the very next day when I found the gate open again and the horses back in danger. Once again I returned them to where they belong in the field, closed the gate & fixed a sign to it saying my horses were not to be put in the track due to the dangers outlined above & that anyone moving them into a dangerous position would be responsible for the vet bill.

Today I received a text from the yard owner saying that my fields were trampled (they most certainly are not!) & it would be better if I left, as my notice on the gate was "stupid". He also stated that the horses would be turned out in the track permenantly regardless of my notice. For the record, the fields are covered in plenty of grass for another few months if rotated properly & only cut up as you'd expect around the gate, with the odd hoofprint where they've had a mad half hour! Trampled my bum!

I'm totally flabbergasted by the total lack of care or understanding for the horses which he has demonstrated (he is not horsey, he is a farmer who diversified!) & the complete lack of respect for me as a knowledgable owner.

Of course, I am now going to move them early but I've no idea where to, or how as I dont have a box yet! I cant afford for them to be in the care of such a complete idiot for a moment longer than essentially necessary. I plan to pay him until the end of August & move them before then, serving him with a letter which states that I have paid until X date & they will be removed before then once arrangements have been made & that meantime, should anything happen as a result of his negligence he will be held fully liable for it!

How do these idiots get to own a yard, let alone be allowed near horses? Urgh, they should all be shot!

Sorry...rant over. Just had to tell people who actually "get it" ...thanks fellow HHOers! Any words of support appreciated!!
 
What part of needing access to water at all times does he not get? Plus the RSPCA rule says something about no dangerous machinery etc in the field with them. He does realise horses won't stand still all day and carefully avoid the broken poles, doesn't he? :confused: Sounds like a numpty: why does he want them in when it rains?!
 
What part of needing access to water at all times does he not get? Plus the RSPCA rule says something about no dangerous machinery etc in the field with them. He does realise horses won't stand still all day and carefully avoid the broken poles, doesn't he?

I dont honestly think he has a clue! Not to mention that naturally, the new gateway he has put in (only just wide enough for my TB!) is trampled to heck & the rest of the path is following as he has forced them into there. Track is so uneven they could fall onto poles easily.

Sounds like a numpty
Fair summary of his attitude!

why does he want them in when it rains?!

Maybe he thinks they'll shrink in the wash or something?! I seriously have never understood it either - my horses live out rain or shine. They lived out in that crazy snow too. They're resilient beasts despite their breeding & they're allowed to live as close to naturally as possible. I guess his thinking is to keep them off the land, but at the end of the day, horses need grass, its what they were designed for & if, in the wettest climate in Europe, you cant cope with a bit of rain, its a poor show isnt it?

Its not like he has a shortage of turnout, he has about 20 acres which could be used if he was that concerned about upping the rotation.

You're pretty right there 'cinnamon', Numpty!
 
Thanks for the support folks - the move is a no brainer at this stage I think.

Yards in my immediate locality are either too big (not a fan of large yards), or not a good fit for what I need. There are a few a little further away which could be options & I'll be on the phone to them tomorrow I think.

Anyone knows anywhere good around North Down or Comber then feel free to DM me :)
 
I am afraid that farmers are not the best for livery are they. With the best will in the world they dont usually GET horses do they ?
A friend of mine who lives with a farmer (family aswell) will not let her ponies live on the land. She has to work extra hours to pay for the livery even though they belong to HIS kids ?
Perhaps try and rent some land so that you can do want you want and manage th eland how you want.
 
Before I start I will apologise as this is a Monday rant.

I moved livery yards earlier in the year to get away from the constant bitching and sniping at the old yard, this seemed to work I found the current yard, a little rundown maybe but homely nevertheless, all was decided the move happened on the horses had been living there happily since.

Just recently things have started to go wrong, firstly I ended up moving 30 miles away from the yard not a choice but by being forced as my landlord was selling up and there was a complete lack of anything else suitable in the area. Ordinarily during summer this would not pose a problem at any yard that I've been on as out means out and unless the entire place is 6 feet under water the horses stay exactly where they are. I resolved I'd have to move them for winter & carried on.

Things really started to go wrong when every time there was a slight shower the yard owner would text everyone to bring horses in. Bearing in mind this yard is located in Northern Ireland on top of the hill therefore it's quite well-drained as being in Northern Ireland it is quite prone to rain too. Of course, working 12 hour days and living 30 miles away from the yard, makes it somewhat impossible to respond his instantaneous demands of vanishing horses, especially as these text messages usually come at six or seven o'clock at night just as you got in the door.

Despite this I persevered, rotating the horses between two fields on downhill slope every two weeks as I have always done both at home and on livery yards. There have been many times I have arrived there to find the horses have moved fields without my knowledge of permission in the past, usually just after I've put them in a fresh field. The week before last the yard owner decided it would be a great idea if you could use back in the field to mow down the bridle path and, I said yes of course why not, so the owner put a gate into to the bridle path out of their top field so that they grazed the overgrown grass on the path down.

Due to a busy week I didnt get up there to check out what had happened, however when I got there on Saturday I found out that this bridal path had been strewn with all manner of debris including broken jump poles with sharp splintered ends sticking out, construction rubble, and fence wire offcuts and ragwort. This is before we mention there is a complete lack of access to water for the animals in the track.

The yard owner was not about, and so I put my animals back in the field and closed his gate onto the bridle path. Imagine my surprise the very next day when I found the gate open again and the horses back in danger. Once again I returned them to where they belong in the field, closed the gate & fixed a sign to it saying my horses were not to be put in the track due to the dangers outlined above & that anyone moving them into a dangerous position would be responsible for the vet bill.

Today I received a text from the yard owner saying that my fields were trampled (they most certainly are not!) & it would be better if I left, as my notice on the gate was "stupid". He also stated that the horses would be turned out in the track permenantly regardless of my notice. For the record, the fields are covered in plenty of grass for another few months if rotated properly & only cut up as you'd expect around the gate, with the odd hoofprint where they've had a mad half hour! Trampled my bum!

I'm totally flabbergasted by the total lack of care or understanding for the horses which he has demonstrated (he is not horsey, he is a farmer who diversified!) & the complete lack of respect for me as a knowledgable owner.

Of course, I am now going to move them early but I've no idea where to, or how as I dont have a box yet! I cant afford for them to be in the care of such a complete idiot for a moment longer than essentially necessary. I plan to pay him until the end of August & move them before then, serving him with a letter which states that I have paid until X date & they will be removed before then once arrangements have been made & that meantime, should anything happen as a result of his negligence he will be held fully liable for it!

How do these idiots get to own a yard, let alone be allowed near horses? Urgh, they should all be shot!

Sorry...rant over. Just had to tell people who actually "get it" ...thanks fellow HHOers! Any words of support appreciated!!

I'd take pictures of the track and your fields!
 
@Maree - they dont really seem to get it, no! As for your friend, sounds like an awful position to be in. There are some strange folk out there!

@Casinosolo - Glad someone else has mentioned about photos - I'd thought I was overreacting thinking of this one. At the end of the day, they wont make much difference to the situation re: a move but could come in handy later if I make a few calls to the right places I guess :)
 
I'd not pay a moment longer than I had to with the attitude of them being left in danger. however, why didn't you ring him to discuss the turnout rather than leaving a note?
 
I might have mis read but did you say due to a busy week, you didn't get up there to check until Saturday and then found no access to water? Is the farmer meant ti check them if you can't make it as part of your livery ? I'd go mad!
 
He sounds like a complete idiot!
How does he have the ability to get out of bed in a morning?
I've had difficulties in getting farmer "YOs" to understand things from the horsey point of view before, but NEVER to this scale! Good job you're getting out of there really. Good luck & hope you find somewhere to go soon :) xxx
 
Thanks guys :) I think I may have somewhere on the cards, going to look on Thursday (tomorrow is the most hellish day of the month for me time wise!) so fingers crossed. Need to find a box to move them now!

@Susie - Did attempt to speak to YO...no joy. YM too...alas though, not interested!

I have had one of my legal team at the office draft a letter to him outlining his animal welfare responsibilities & contractual ones too (as if we should have to!!) which will be handed to him, along with livery money to cover the period before they move. Jumped up idiot, he really is!

& yes, you'd think access to water was part of his daily duty really wouldnt you. Going mad appears to just make them ask you to leave at this place!
 
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Hi Do you not know Richard he's on Ballykeigle Road Comber

If you want his number pm me, i'm sure he would help.
Him & Les have a nice yard. If that were not want you were looking for he would know someone to suit your needs.
 
If I was daft enough to own another horse (no way!) I would definitely think twice about keeping it on a farm again given my experiences of where I am at the moment. Things were fine at first and we were more or less left to do our own thing and I was assured they would be keeping things very small scale. There were 7 DIYers then and I just wanted light hacking and all year round turn out for my horse in its 20s and winding down her working life. We could ride on paths around the fields, school on the stubble etc and it was fine. I'd only been there 6 weeks when I was told they were putting the rent up 25% because their friend who ran a proper yard a mile away was doing the same and they didn't want to undercut her. Friend had a cafe, toilets, arena, jumps, feed shop but they wouldn't listen and up went the rent regardless. Then more liveries started moving on but no more grazing was made available. Luckily at that stage there was enough to go around although it meant no field was ever rested. They then converted (jerry-built) an old farm building into stables so more liveries came. They never asked questions or did background checks on anyone and not surprisingly we got all the ones who had been chucked off other local yards (and you could see why!!). The thieving barsteward who had pinched my saddle and several other peoples on my old yard even came for a bit but I couldn't say anything as I'd already been called a trouble maker and nearly thrown off when I voiced my serious concerns about an elderly pony which moved on but that's a different story. We managed to work the fields so that all the elderly horses were up together but then new horses were put in with them. Several other liveries warned YO that this wasn't a good idea but they took no notice and my poor old girl got battered. WHile she was recovering they put an 18mth old TB filly in there too which bugged the old ones half to death. Luckily that and the kicker moved off again. Then there was major shennanigans over worming and one particular livery- the rest of us were told she could stay and we could all go but that all blew over and the girl got shown the door thank goodness. Not surprisingly several decent people left after that. Last winter the field I use had almost no standing fencing around it. They wouldn't fix it because they "couldn't afford it" - until the spring when the rent went up again to cover it. More stables were put in and we now have over 20 horses on about 5 acres. For the last week a manege has been put into my field so we are 11 on less than 1.5 acres - they turned off the water without telling anyone too. They think the extra 1.5 acres they have seeded in the spring is a. enough and b. will be ready to graze in the autumn. But they really excelled themselves this week - one of the liveries came down mid afternoon to find one of the horses wandering about on the yard. She though he had been brought in and escaped from his stable but the door was shut. So she led him back to the field to find the entire side fence and gate taken away! Apparently that was just fine and not a risk whatsoever! Any of 9 could have walked out, across the yard and straight onto the road which although it is a country lane it is a rat run and frequented by idiots in large cars trying to achieve the national speed limit.

Oh dear, sorry for a mega rant but I shall actually be relieved the day my horse is PTS (in the next few weeks) and I can escape. How there hasn't been a major incident there is a mystery to me. There should be legal standards set for all yards, whatever their type, in my opinion. They even offer full livery at mine and they haven't a clue about most aspects of horse keeping.
 
Just so you guys can see...this is a trampled field according to the YO! Of course, those with eyes & a brain will disagree :)

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& This is some of the debris in the track where he keeps putting them (not to mention the barbed wire, gates held on by twine & open end into someones house with direct road access!

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Crikey I'd have mine off of there instantly, regardless of what I had to do or where I had to go! Does make you wonder if maybe someone else on there has put the boot in and he's trying to make you leave though, that's ridiculous putting horses at risk that way! I'd definitely be taking any space I could get and calling in a few favours to get moved. Good luck. X
 
Going to look at somewhere tonight in an ideal place...so fingers crossed!

Favours short on the ground but I'm sure something can be sorted. Although my previous "I'll ride & drive the things to the new place" style may not work for the distance this time hahaha
 
We got to the stage today where the yard locks have all been changed & I couldnt get in! Police became involved at my request (also a false allegation against me of criminal damage now apparently too!!) .

Hopefully in a position to move them this week. I'll be glad!! *sigh*

Aren't we supposed to *enjoy* owning horses?
 
Locks changed jesus so if false allegations are made and are proven to be untrue that would also indicate wasting police time?..

Hope you manage to get off this week sooner rather than later I'd say blimey !
 
Locks changed jesus so if false allegations are made and are proven to be untrue that would also indicate wasting police time?..
One would assume so - it has only been done to make my life difficult. I work in quite a specialised field requiring fairly high security clearances & they know what that could do...! Alas, the individual concerned is prepared to lie his way through anything, as he has done in other instances, so why should this be different eh?! Indeed, many of our police force in this region are only interested in brownie points & have no common sense, so it should be a laugh if nothing else. At the end of the day, I know full well that no such incident occurred so they can say what the hell they like!

Hope you manage to get off this week sooner rather than later I'd say blimey !

So do I - I've got a competition season to prepare for next year & all this is really zapping my mojo!!
 
Hi everyone,

Just a quick update & good news - the ponios have been in their new home for a week or so now & have settled amazingly now, already putting the fat back on them. New yard owner is great, straight talking & a horsey woman - all looks good.

Had the most amazing weekend with them playing around in the carriage along the beaches & long may it continue. Here is to the competition season in 2013...now all I've to do it find the cash to do it hahahahaa

Thanks to all who helped out & supported through this + the kind DMs of support I also had. You're all complete stars!
 
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