YAY! new horsebox and passed my C1

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I found a horsebox WOOOO! ive been looking for ages, and i knew what i want, and it turned up in H&H classifieds a couple of weeks ago, and i took a bit of a risk and bought it unseen as it was in aberdeen ( im in berkshire ) but once it arrived it checked out, both by the photos and the mechnical condition - probably something i wouldnt do normally, bt really glad i took the risk!

So its been sat on my driveway for the past week, until i passed my c1 which was today - i had a total of 11 hours training and took the test in London! The test is conducted in a transit style van arond 20ft long and it drove like a car - which was good and bad because you could forget and maneovere as if you were in a car, then end up taking out the contents of your left/right mirror which isnt cool - but as luck would have it, i didnt end up doing any of that.


My instructor was a bit of a chatterbox and a but ' racialist ' (?) but he got me going in the right lanes at roundabouts and taught me the reversing, so not so bad. The examiner was very quiet, but fair - i got 5 minor faults - one of them ( i couldnt believe i did this ) was for pulling over where safe and convenient - i only pulled up in a bus stop! doh!

Anyway passed first time, so now i am legal! now all i have to do is transfer all my knowledge to my own 25k 7.5 ton 25ft long DAF!


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oh and just as a heads up for anyone looking to do their C1 - the reversing manoeuvre changes as of monday ( thank god i passed today ) and the room you have to get past the cone and into the 2nd lane is far far smaller, the angle is steeper and the reversing test in general is harder. I actually practiced the new one more than the one i actually did - the instructors idea was that if i could do the harder one, the one i would be doing was easier! anyway i did find it quite a struggle i must say!
 
WOW! That lorry is amazing! I spent a fraction of that on mine - wouldn't dare spend anything more on something for me to learn in :p

Lucky!
 
nice looking lorry and conrats but please watch your weight as that look like 3 horse lorry but prob wont take 3 full size in terms of weight allowance.
 
Well done for passing your test but sorry to put a damper on this. If that lorry is 25 ft long you will be over weight. I've just sold a 22 ft lorry because of weight issues! I recommend you weigh it with fuel and water on. Most 7.5t lorries are shorter than yours and would weigh around 6t empty. Sorry !
 
christine48 said:
Well done for passing your test but sorry to put a damper on this. If that lorry is 25 ft long you will be over weight. I've just sold a 22 ft lorry because of weight issues! I recommend you weigh it with fuel and water on. Most 7.5t lorries are shorter than yours and would weigh around 6t empty. Sorry !
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UMM what a stupid post!!!! it depends on how well its built ,what the living is made of and other factors I know someone with a 18 ft lorry that will only carry one as its 6.5 ton and another that is 20 ft and carrys four as it weighs 4.5 empty , the length has little to do with it , and am sure the other poster would have had it weighed, inspected and made sure it has a tilt cab before buying, there have been enough posts about buying horseboxes for people to be fairly savy about the pitfalls .....
 
perfect11s said:
UMM what a stupid post!!!! it depends on how well its built ,what the living is made of and other factors I know someone with a 18 ft lorry that will only carry one as its 6.5 ton and another that is 20 ft and carrys four as it weighs 4.5 empty , the length has little to do with it , and am sure the other poster would have had it weighed, inspected and made sure it has a tilt cab before buying, there have been enough posts about buying horseboxes for people to be fairly savy about the pitfalls .....
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If you read her first post she does say she didnt go and see it! Therefore maybe she doesnt realise unladen weight etc, but also, maybe she only wants to take one or two horses
 
stilton said:
If you read her first post she does say she didnt go and see it! Therefore maybe she doesnt realise unladen weight etc, but also, maybe she only wants to take one or two horses
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Maybe but sadly its a bit late to be giveing advice Its a bit like the old closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!!! I hope its a good buy for the op they have some nice outings in it and does the job .....
 
perfect11s said:
UMM what a stupid post!!!! it depends on how well its built ,what the living is made of and other factors I know someone with a 18 ft lorry that will only carry one as its 6.5 ton and another that is 20 ft and carrys four as it weighs 4.5 empty , the length has little to do with it , and am sure the other poster would have had it weighed, inspected and made sure it has a tilt cab before buying, there have been enough posts about buying horseboxes for people to be fairly savy about the pitfalls .....
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It is not a stupid post, the purchaser bought it unseen. A 25 ft lorry having enough payload to carry even 2 horses legally would be so flimsy. Looking at that lorry, it's well built but will be heavy. It's the same as my rider's lorry but 2 ft longer and hers is on a Daf 45 170 chassis but has been uprated to 10 ton. I bet my life on it, that lorry legally with fuel, water, kit, people etc will struggle to carry 2 legally.
 
Wow thanks . I checked it's unladen weight with the seller and have a weight certificate for it. I also know what my horses weigh so I know what I can carry.
 
christine48 said:
It is not a stupid post, the purchaser bought it unseen. A 25 ft lorry having enough payload to carry even 2 horses legally would be so flimsy. Looking at that lorry, it's well built but will be heavy. It's the same as my rider's lorry but 2 ft longer and hers is on a Daf 45 170 chassis but has been uprated to 10 ton. I bet my life on it, that lorry legally with fuel, water, kit, people etc will struggle to carry 2 legally.
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Funny you are so certain !!!, with so many varibles of construction and how do you know its a 25 ft body ???? looks fairly standard average older type build to me and about 20 ft, the only way you would know the weight of any lorry is knowing what it was made of and then weighing it you canot go on length and light does not nessarly mean it isnt strong infact !!!! I dont claim to know everything but with 20+ years in the automotive trade I think I have a rough idea what im on about, there is so much urban myth and miss infomation about and allot of it comes from the crappy bodybuilders who dont know how to do things properly so you get.. oh all lorrys with living are heavy!! tilt lutons leak and add weight , you dont need a tilt cab our mecanics can work on it!!!and other bull scatter ,
 
perfect11s said:
Funny you are so certain !!!, with so many varibles of construction and how do you know its a 25 ft body ???? looks fairly standard average older type build to me and about 20 ft, the only way you would know the weight of any lorry is knowing what it was made of and then weighing it you canot go on length and light does not nessarly mean it isnt strong infact !!!! I dont claim to know everything but with 20+ years in the automotive trade I think I have a rough idea what im on about, there is so much urban myth and miss infomation about and allot of it comes from the crappy bodybuilders who dont know how to do things properly so you get.. oh all lorrys with living are heavy!! tilt lutons leak and add weight , you dont need a tilt cab our mecanics can work on it!!!and other bull scatter ,
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Firstly the poster said it was 25ft! I hope for their sake it is under but having had a similar experience I know which lorries look overweight. I had a brand new build 3 yr ago by a well known company and it was £87.000! It was built from lightweight materials as they are now ( the older lorries are heavier), with living. 8 ft horse compartment, 12 ft living. They told us it would weigh under 6 ton. It weighed nearly 6.5 empty!
I know oakleys weigh 6.0 ton empty and they've been doing it for years.
There are so many manufacturers getting on the band wagon now building these lorries you need a weight certificate before you buy!
I never mentioned any thing about leaky lutons, tilt cabs etc. I lost a lot of money through what amounted to was lies ( I think they are about to go bust) the next lorry I buy will have a weight certificate!
Seem to have hit a raw nerve here with you?
Maybe you should stick to your car dealing.
 
Lovely lorry OP! Congrats on passing yr test too:) Only nugget of wisdom I can add is that,having driven both 3.5ton (long wheel base transit types) and 7.5ton lorries,the 7.5tonners are very different to drive indeed! Especially once they are full of horses and kit:) I'd take yours out empty and then on short,sort of 'round the block a few times' trips quite a few times before you go off to a party:) However,that's not a dampener,just friendly advice having done it myself and I hope you and your neddies have lots of fun in your smart new wheels! :)
 
christine48 said:
Firstly the poster said it was 25ft! I hope for their sake it is under but having had a similar experience I know which lorries look overweight. I had a brand new build 3 yr ago by a well known company and it was £87.000! It was built from lightweight materials as they are now ( the older lorries are heavier), with living. 8 ft horse compartment, 12 ft living. They told us it would weigh under 6 ton. It weighed nearly 6.5 empty!
I know oakleys weigh 6.0 ton empty and they've been doing it for years.
There are so many manufacturers getting on the band wagon now building these lorries you need a weight certificate before you buy!
I never mentioned any thing about leaky lutons, tilt cabs etc. I lost a lot of money through what amounted to was lies ( I think they are about to go bust) the next lorry I buy will have a weight certificate!
Seem to have hit a raw nerve here with you?
Maybe you should stick to your car dealing.
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Car dealer !!!!!LOL wrong !!! specialist
subcontractor to the motor trade /bodybuilders , I think its me that's hit a raw nerve !!!
judging by your post!!!! sorry you have been ripped off , 25 ft total is a sensible size asumming the cab is 5 ft and the body 20ft and a decent build with full living should be about 5000/5500 kg , less for one a little shorter Kevin parker is one of the industy leaders if you want fancy and light and tristar a good bet if you want strong basic and max payload there are plenty of others too and not nessarley the big names!!!
 
we have a similar 22ft box almost identical - they used the lightest best quality materials and that comes in at 5.8 without water so i would guess a good quality 25ft would be around the 6.5t mark?
 
Venevidivici said:
Lovely lorry OP! Congrats on passing yr test too:) Only nugget of wisdom I can add is that,having driven both 3.5ton (long wheel base transit types) and 7.5ton lorries,the 7.5tonners are very different to drive indeed! Especially once they are full of horses and kit:) I'd take yours out empty and then on short,sort of 'round the block a few times' trips quite a few times before you go off to a party:) However,that's not a dampener,just friendly advice having done it myself and I hope you and your neddies have lots of fun in your smart new wheels! :)
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thanks so much yes they are very different! i am getting used to the air brakes and the length and downchanging and pulling away in 2nd - had my mechanic come with me for my first run in the box - am planning on doing quite a few runs without horses on board before i take them as well!
 
digitalangel said:
thanks so much yes they are very different! i am getting used to the air brakes and the length and downchanging and pulling away in 2nd - had my mechanic come with me for my first run in the box - am planning on doing quite a few runs without horses on board before i take them as well!
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Dont pull away from a dead stop in 2nd it will give your clutch a hard time and its not cheep when you end up needing a new one!!!! remember to use the exhaust brake too that will save your brakes !!!
 
perfect11s said:
Dont pull away from a dead stop in 2nd
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Not a hard and fast rule as it depends an many things such as weight of vehicle and whether it is on the flat, uphill or downhill

Been in many jobs using 7.5s and they never had a clutch change when using 2nd of 6 gears to pull away in - some were over 15 years old!!
 
Huge well done :)

Ive got my c1 coming up soon and glad to hear of other people doing it on similar training hours as to what I have got planned (I have had an assessment lesson and the instructor thinks its doable!)

Didnt know about the reversing changing but like your driving school mine uses a 'van type' one as apposed to a full size 7.5tonner so Im guessing it should make life a little easier!

Again, congratulations!!!
 
ROG said:
Not a hard and fast rule as it depends an many things such as weight of vehicle and whether it is on the flat, uphill or downhill

Been in many jobs using 7.5s and they never had a clutch change when using 2nd of 6 gears to pull away in - some were over 15 years old!!
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No but I have a LF and its only a 5 speed 2nd is quite high maybe like 3rd on a six cogger and you do need to slip the clutch more than is good for it , yes on some bigger stuff I drive first is very much a crawler gear and not needed unless doing a hill start,
 
Wow, what a lovely lorry, I bet your thrilled. I would do as you plan too and drive it a few times without horses on board and you will be fine.
Just to add to a few of the other replies, my last lorry was 23.5ft and weighed in at 5.3t, ok a basic living but it can be done. Also I was told to pull off in 2nd gear too but my last lorry couldnt, it was either ride the clutch to get a smooth start or start in first gear, which is what I chose of course :). My new lorry is different, it could stand starting in 2nd which I was told to do, then a HGV mechanic said Nooooooo ... start in first and said he would put a sticker in the cab telling me to do so as they put them in all their fleet, so I suppose some say its ok to do so and some say it isnt.
Have fun :D
 
perfect11s said:
No but I have a LF and its only a 5 speed 2nd is quite high maybe like 3rd on a six cogger and you do need to slip the clutch more than is good for it , yes on some bigger stuff I drive first is very much a crawler gear and not needed unless doing a hill start,
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All the ones I have used have been 6 speeds but I can see how a 5 speed would differ in the way it is used
 
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