Yet another car accident

[Fii]

OK you got me there but you didn't pick up on the fact that the riders were side by side after a corner, one horse I could avoid but two, i'm not so sure, anyway it was a point made hypothetically.

Country roads can be made enjoyable for all without lowering speed limits otherwise you'd spend your life stuck behind said John Deere tractor which, whether a horsey person (especially with the noise, smell etc) or a petrol head, is frustrating.

Oh and thanks for the welcome

I don't agree, i think we can all enjoy country roads, AND lower the speed limit, in fact if we all drove at the speed of the tractor, we might all get to see more of the countryside, and enjoy it for what it is!
And while not meening to be picky The JD tractor driver has got a job to do!

I will concede though, it is not safe to ride two abreast on a blind corner.

 

[jeremyclarksonroar]

Arrrrgh. This is exactly the kind of attitude that I cannot stand. What happens when you just about have time to "avoid" a hypothetical one horse but not two, but there is an oncoming car? You'll squeeze between them maybe? Force the other car to stop? You should go round corners slow enough to stop if there is a hazard round them. End of. Police ride two abreast btw, it forces the traffic to give them a little more room and respect.

So you're saying that I should drive at 5 mph around every corner I see just in case? Nobody would get anywhere, plus if I wanted to do that I'd buy a Porsche.

That hypothetical car coming the other way will have seen the riders riding side by side and in an ideal world will be driving slow enough to stop if they need to (as they're approaching a bend and they have enough forward thinking to say hang on, corner, side by side riders on exit of said corner, I'll prepare to stop just in case somebody is enjoying a sunday drive)

I don't see many mounted police riders around where I live so will have to accept you're answer on that one but usually when that happens there's trouble afoot so the wise option would be to avoid that area like the plague.

 

[Fii]

So you're saying that I should drive at 5 mph around every corner I see just in case? Nobody would get anywhere, plus if I wanted to do that I'd buy a Porsche

See know you'r just being daft!
See my previose post as to how to drive in the country.
It is common sense to expect something to be around every bend, and to drive apropratly, anything else is just stupid TBO! Nobody expects you to drive at 5mph, you twonk!

 

[jeremyclarksonroar]

See know you'r just being daft!
See my previose post as to how to drive in the country.
It is common sense to expect something to be around every bend, and to drive apropratly, anything else is just stupid TBO! Nobody expects you to drive at 5mph, you twonk!

A twonk!! Haven't heard that in years

It all depends on who you listen to with regards to driving/riding on country roads, I will continue to drive in accordance to the road/weather conditions.

Maybe I was being daft but it was all in a what if/never kind of way so I'll stand by it lol

 

[Fii]

Well the road conditions today dictated about 10- 20mph....... fecking rain!!!!!

 

[Holly Hocks]

So you're saying that I should drive at 5 mph around every corner I see just in case? Nobody would get anywhere, plus if I wanted to do that I'd buy a Porsche.

That hypothetical car coming the other way will have seen the riders riding side by side and in an ideal world will be driving slow enough to stop if they need to (as they're approaching a bend and they have enough forward thinking to say hang on, corner, side by side riders on exit of said corner, I'll prepare to stop just in case somebody is enjoying a sunday drive)

Firstly - giggling at Porsche comment.
I think that you're coming from a different perspective from the road users that we are talking about on here. You have already said that you slow down, and I'm sure we're all grateful for that. I for one, acknowledge every car driver out there whether they slow down or not. I think that a friendly nod might make them think about slowing down next time. Personally, in my area, the worst drivers are those in the Honda Jazz and Nissan Micras -I'm sure you get my drift. I think their eyesight has failed to the point that they don't even see the horse until they've driven past, and they certainly don't see past the end of their dashboards.
The roads which I ride on are mainly single track roads with high hedges on either side , so it's impossible for the driver, or rider to see around the bend. But I think in this situation there is also a duty to the rider to listen for what might be coming and not to place themselves in a position that they are on the bend when the car comes round. So for instance, if I am approaching a left hand bend on my horse and I hear a car, I either wait prior to the bend, giving the driver enough time to see me and stop as he comes round the bend, or if I believe I had enough time, I would move out onto the right hand side of the bend, giving me better visibility and allowing the driver to see me sooner and therefore stop.
I think what we can all agree here is that really, the onus is on the driver to be able to brake in time when they see a hazard - and generally the drivers of high powered cars are able to do this - better acceleration also means better braking.
Road manners have deteriorated rapidly in this country - both by riders and drivers. I have met good and bad in both, and maybe it's time that drivers were better educated, and also that riders - especially those that aren't drivers, are taught road sensibility - I don't mean the highway code - I mean about listening for cars, and planning ahead.

 

[siennamum]

What a horrific sounding accident. How awful for everyone involved.

I select the roads I ride on with care and am quite bullish about positioning myself to ensure safety of the horses, but also scrupulous about thanking other road users.

There are lanes through the village which are used as rat runs and people drive according to the road conditions (40 - 50 mph)- or so they believe. If that means going round a blind corner at anything more than about 20mph, then they are being reckless imo. The lane is unmarked and used by walkers, cyclists and horseriders. An accident is inevitable, solely due to car drivers refusing to concede that other users should be on the road.

The worst culprits are older folk. They will drive at 40mph past horses, in a fury at being asked to slow down. The best are usually young lads in their souped up cars and I almost always get a smile from them. The narrowest escape I've had was when my horse was nearly clipped by someone parking for church!!

 

[nicolenlolly]

I don't understand jezza when you were criticising me for riding single file, you said that we should ride 2 abreast and now you are saying people shouldn't because you want to be able to go flinging round the corners...make your mind up?! Anyone local to where I live knows the chances are you will encounter something as there are so many horses/cyclists/tractors so really it is only the out of towners that need to think a little more carefully, the ones who are out for a Sunday drive in the country on the lookout for a pub, and the odd golfer who drives down the middle of the road. I am not saying that is true for everywhere just the village where I am. This thread started out so friendly us just passing on our respects to horse and rider and you have turned it into a debate. TBH if you won't and others wont ride on the roads as you feel it is too dangerous then that highlights the fact that there is indeed a problem that should he addressed. Yes there will be riders who don't remember their manners and say thank you but there are motorists like that too and yet I still let the next one out at a junction. We are not trying to persecute this one driver we are using this as a case in hand to say right let's try and prevent this from happening too much more and raise awareness to drivers to please take care. Is that really a problem?

 

[YasandCrystal]

I don't understand jezza when you were criticising me for riding single file, you said that we should ride 2 abreast and now you are saying people shouldn't because you want to be able to go flinging round the corners...make your mind up?! Anyone local to where I live knows the chances are you will encounter something as there are so many horses/cyclists/tractors so really it is only the out of towners that need to think a little more carefully, the ones who are out for a Sunday drive in the country on the lookout for a pub, and the odd golfer who drives down the middle of the road. I am not saying that is true for everywhere just the village where I am. This thread started out so friendly us just passing on our respects to horse and rider and you have turned it into a debate. TBH if you won't and others wont ride on the roads as you feel it is too dangerous then that highlights the fact that there is indeed a problem that should he addressed. Yes there will be riders who don't remember their manners and say thank you but there are motorists like that too and yet I still let the next one out at a junction. We are not trying to persecute this one driver we are using this as a case in hand to say right let's try and prevent this from happening too much more and raise awareness to drivers to please take care. Is that really a problem?

Here here. There are too many judgemental and rude comments on this thread. That won't get any safety lobby anywhere!

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

I have been shouted at also . Now if they shout at me * horses shouldn't be on the rd* I say the horse was here before the car + the other one if they shout at me horses should be in the fields where they belong I say well you should be up a tree like all other primates .

I also too has just bought a POLITE slow down ta bard to replace the other.. I wish they did it in PINK also as my mares are in pink gelding yellow.

I also bought this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230634132276#ht_4868wt_1135
so easy to use gr8 for evidence

RIP little pony

 

[reduce-speed-limits]

Well if the roof was ripped off the car, then either the driver hit the animal at some terrific speed, or the Fire Service have done what they love to do and taken the roof off the car.

hello i would like to say to every one that the accident didn't happen on a corner what made this accident so bad was it happend on a straight road she had over quater a mile to see the horses and failed and the impact of the horse ripped the roof off as it was by josie the car then went round a bend and another quarter of a mile before stopping as it hit a fence unless you stood on the corner you could not see both the horse and car that is how far apart they where so that why the whole point of reducing speed limits it not just on corners that are the problem

 

[reduce-speed-limits]

also again i would like to thank anyone who has sent the best wishes i will pass them on when i see them all today x

 

[Shazzababs]

Hypothetical - If travelling on a country road at 60 (speed limit)and you come to a corner, slow down to say 40 and negotiate successfully only to be met by two riders riding side by side just on the exit of said corner then what can be done to avoid the riders? Surely not a lot but you're within the speed limit so are driving with due care and attention, said riders should be at fault for riding side by side on the exit of a corner, but that I doubt as it will always be the drivers fault in the eyes of some.

If you replace 'Horse' in that with 'Tractor' or 'Combine Harvestor' then you are still going to hit it, and probably come off worse.

On a country lane, especially a single lane one you should be driving slow enough so that you can stop in the distance that you can see ahead of you. You should drive each corner as if there is a large tractor doing 5pmh with big sticky out spiky things on the back just on the other side. IMHO you should be doing no more than 40mph on the straight and 20mph on the corners.

There is a new offence of 'Careless or Inappropriate Driving' which can now be brought to bear on people who are not driving appropriately to the road conditions or environment. This can be applied regardless of the legal speed limit if you cause an accident by driving like a tit when the environment dictates otherwise. i.e. Doing 40mph around bends on single track country lanes.

 

[jeremyclarksonroar]

If you replace 'Horse' in that with 'Tractor' or 'Combine Harvestor' then you are still going to hit it, and probably come off worse.

On a country lane, especially a single lane one you should be driving slow enough so that you can stop in the distance that you can see ahead of you. You should drive each corner as if there is a large tractor doing 5pmh with big sticky out spiky things on the back just on the other side. IMHO you should be doing no more than 40mph on the straight and 20mph on the corners.

There is a new offence of 'Careless or Inappropriate Driving' which can now be brought to bear on people who are not driving appropriately to the road conditions or environment. This can be applied regardless of the legal speed limit if you cause an accident by driving like a tit when the environment dictates otherwise. i.e. Doing 40mph around bends on single track country lanes.

Where have I said Single track lane? The majority of single track lanes I've driven on you can barely get above 15mph let alone upto 60 as the road surface is that bad.

Also your more likely to see said combine harvester, as on a single track lane it would be scattering branches all over the road that it's ripped down because they are so tall.

 

[Tinypony]

Isn't it the case that if anyone driving on a country lane can't see what's ahead of them it would be useful to slow down? The near misses I have had (in a car and on a horse) have tended to be when someone comes hurtling towards me and then gets the shock of their life when they come round the bend.
Horses, riders and car drivers die and are seriously injured when they collide. I think that's a useful thing for any driver to bear in mind. I've bene wondering for a while about a tabard that says "We don't dent, we die"...
Really though, wouldn't a message about considerate and safe driving in the country, and particularly near animals, come better from the motorists point of view than from that of horse riders? Top Gear could do a lot to spread some useful advice on how to approach and pass horses on the road. If they could be bothered.

 

[Natch]

So you're saying that I should drive at 5 mph around every corner I see just in case? Nobody would get anywhere, plus if I wanted to do that I'd buy a Porsche.

That hypothetical car coming the other way will have seen the riders riding side by side and in an ideal world will be driving slow enough to stop if they need to (as they're approaching a bend and they have enough forward thinking to say hang on, corner, side by side riders on exit of said corner, I'll prepare to stop just in case somebody is enjoying a sunday drive)

Hello & welcome, are you the real Jeremy Clarkson off of telly? Big Top Gear fan here so coo-ee hello!

You said in an earlier post doing 40 around a corner which may or may not have 2 riders the other side of it would be within the law. The post implied that you wouldn't be able to stop in time to avoid hitting the horses. On that basis, I disagree with you. You never know what is the other side of that corner - horse riders, car that has already crashed/broken down, machinery, burst water main, cows, Richard Hammond's escaped goats, pedestrians... if you are driving around a blind corner at a speed at which you can't stop, you are going too fast for the road conditions, period.

Top Gear could do a lot to spread some useful advice on how to approach and pass horses on the road.

I'd very much like JC to take us up on the offer and do an episode where he rides a racehorse at full pelt, or maybe races an off road car against an endurance horse? That would be a good opportunity for them to throw in a mention about how to pass a horse safely. Its one programme which I think a mention would REALLY help the horse riding community.

 

[Nocturnal]

Where have I said Single track lane? The majority of single track lanes I've driven on you can barely get above 15mph let alone upto 60 as the road surface is that bad.

Also your more likely to see said combine harvester, as on a single track lane it would be scattering branches all over the road that it's ripped down because they are so tall.

I get that you want to defend drivers, but the fact is that there are precious few accidents involving horses where the driver has been driving responsibly, and passing slow and wide (as it states in the highway code!). In this instance it has been stated that the road was long and straight - really no excuse to hit a rider.

As for riders not thanking you - perhaps they are but you don't see? I always nod in acknowledgement (not taking my hands off the reins on a road!) but I often think the sports car drivers are too low down to see.

But fwiw, I've never had a problem with those types of driver, anyway (apart from my horse fizzing up at the sound of a v12!); them and lorry drivers are usually the best. Its the vw/honda etc drivers that tend to drive right up my arse then overtake at speed. Them and cyclists.

 

[ThePinkPony]

This makes me so angry. Firstly i really do hope the rider makes a full recovery and im so sorry about her horse. it doesnt bear thinking of.

But as a driver who actually stopped the other day to give an ignorant snobbish tit of a rider a piece of my mind i do see why drivers have such a negative view.

My exhaust is a bit blowy, so i slowed massively, clung to the grass kerb, and passed her as quietly as i could. What did she do, gave me the nastiest, dirtiest look possible (does it every time, though OH met her later in the day and she actually thanked him, so hopefully my words were heeded).

I stopped, jumped out of the car and called her up on it, and mentioned this forum and the horrors that can happen and how she needs to be upstanding and do all she can to keep herself and other riders safe. She was lucky it was me meeting her and not my friend, who has just passed and drives ridiculously fast, and hold a dim view of snobby riders.

 

[Amaranta]

Speed limits are for the roads and there for good reason, private airfields/tracks are the place to go if you want to drive like a lunatic. I always drive to the conditions of the road and always will do.

Hypothetical - If travelling on a country road at 60 (speed limit)and you come to a corner, slow down to say 40 and negotiate successfully only to be met by two riders riding side by side just on the exit of said corner then what can be done to avoid the riders? Surely not a lot but you're within the speed limit so are driving with due care and attention, said riders should be at fault for riding side by side on the exit of a corner, but that I doubt as it will always be the drivers fault in the eyes of some.

Both sides of the story need to be listened to before any conclusions are made, leave the police to their enquiries and I'm sure we'll find out what happened in time.

Not everything in life is as black and white as some people seem to believe

No not everything is black and white but your post just proves that the speed limit should be reduced on country roads. As someone else has stated, it is a LIMIT not a TARGET. If you are driving at 60 on a road that has blind bends then you are not driving to the conditions, 40 would be far more sensible, and, to give other road users (not just riders) a chance you should be doing half that on a blind bend - that way everyone will get to their destination in one piece.

I do not ride out on the roads anymore, I live on a straight B road where the limit is 60, sadly a fair amount of drivers are doing anything between 75-90, we have had our outbuildings hit twice because the twonks have overtaken at speed, only to realise that there is a vehicle coming in the other direction, once, our concrete gait post was completely sheared in half, thankfully there were no people, dogs or horses in his path (more luck than judgement as people regularly walk their dogs up our road) the driver did end up with spinal injuries but at least HIS actions did not injure anything or anyone else.

Where we used to live I did ride out on the roads but would pull over to let cars past and, if I could hear a car, would get out of the way so they could pass safely, I can count on one hand the number of car drivers who actually thanked me. The same can also be said of some ignorant riders and I get just as angry with them too.

 

[Nocturnal]

No not everything is black and white but your post just proves that the speed limit should be reduced on country roads. As someone else has stated, it is a LIMIT not a TARGET. If you are driving at 60 on a road that has blind bends then you are not driving to the conditions, 40 would be far more sensible, and, to give other road users (not just riders) a chance you should be doing half that on a blind bend - that way everyone will get to their destination in one piece.

I do not ride out on the roads anymore, I live on a straight B road where the limit is 60, sadly a fair amount of drivers are doing anything between 75-90, we have had our outbuildings hit twice because the twonks have overtaken at speed, only to realise that there is a vehicle coming in the other direction, once, our concrete gait post was completely sheared in half, thankfully there were no people, dogs or horses in his path (more luck than judgement as people regularly walk their dogs up our road) the driver did end up with spinal injuries but at least HIS actions did not injure anything or anyone else.

Where we used to live I did ride out on the roads but would pull over to let cars past and, if I could hear a car, would get out of the way so they could pass safely, I can count on one hand the number of car drivers who actually thanked me. The same can also be said of some ignorant riders and I get just as angry with them too.

If those people are doing 75-90 mph on a 60 limit road then they're breaking the speed limit anyway, so lowering it is unlikely to have an effect on this type of driver. I don't think lowering the speed limit is the answer, as that penalises sensible drivers who want to enjoy driving their cars (and who obey speed limits), whilst doing nothing about the morons out there who drive recklessly (and ignore speed limits!).

 

[Amaranta]

If those people are doing 75-90 mph on a 60 limit road then they're breaking the speed limit anyway, so lowering it is unlikely to have an effect on this type of driver. I don't think lowering the speed limit is the answer, as that penalises sensible drivers who want to enjoy driving their cars (and who obey speed limits), whilst doing nothing about the morons out there who drive recklessly (and ignore speed limits!).

I agree, there will always be morons who break the law, BUT on narrow country lanes a 60m speed limit is ludicrous anything in the way of a vehicle travelling at that speed is at risk.

 

[BorgRae]

My heart goes out to those involved in the accident. How very sad

Petition signed x

 

[soulfull]

Hey guys it doesn't matter what the speed limit people will break them anyway.

As an advanced and blue light driver it was drilled into us
''Always ensure that you can stop comfortably, on your own side of the road, within the distance that you know to be clear.''[/COLOR]

So if you can't see around a bend, you MUST MUST be able to stop before the bend. Obviously in this case it is irrelevant as it was on a straight line which makes me think that maybe the poor lady driver was indeed ill !!! it happens!

This explains it better than me and everyone should understand the principles and reasons

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/background.html

 

[Nocturnal]

I agree, there will always be morons who break the law, BUT on narrow country lanes a 60m speed limit is ludicrous anything in the way of a vehicle travelling at that speed is at risk.

I agree that on some lanes a 60mph limit seems ridiculous, but I don't agree with a blanket reduction in speed limit, and I imagine examining each individual road would be cost prohibitive. But it is already against the law to be driving so fast that you are unable to slow down in time if you meet something slow ahead of you.

And although I accept that sometimes people have to ride on roads (I'm one such person!), I wouldn't ride on a narrow 60 mph lane with no verges! Suicidal, surely?

Either way, it doesn't sound like a lower speed limit would have helped this poor person and her horse

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

[Law RVLR 1989 reg 4]
Horse riders
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Safety equipment. Children under the age of 14 MUST wear a helmet which complies with the Regulations. It MUST be fastened securely. Other riders should also follow these requirements. These requirements do not apply to a child who is a follower of the Sikh religion while wearing a turban.

[Laws H(PHYR) Act 1990, sect 1 & H(PHYR) Regulations 1992, reg 3]
50

Other clothing. You should wear

* boots or shoes with hard soles and heels
* light-coloured or fluorescent clothing in daylight
* reflective clothing if you have to ride at night or in poor visibility

Help yourself to be seen
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At night. It is safer not to ride on the road at night or in poor visibility, but if you do, make sure you wear reflective clothing and your horse has reflective bands above the fetlock joints. A light which shows white to the front and red to the rear should be fitted, with a band, to the rider’s right arm and/or leg/riding boot. If you are leading a horse at night, carry a light in your right hand, showing white to the front and red to the rear, and wear reflective clothing on both you and your horse. It is strongly recommended that a fluorescent/reflective tail guard is also worn by your horse.
Riding
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Before you take a horse on to a road, you should

* ensure all tack fits well and is in good condition
* make sure you can control the horse

Always ride with other, less nervous horses if you think that your horse will be nervous of traffic. Never ride a horse without both a saddle and bridle.
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Before riding off or turning, look behind you to make sure it is safe, then give a clear arm signal.

When riding on the road you should

* keep to the left
* keep both hands on the reins unless you are signalling
* keep both feet in the stirrups
* not carry another person
* not carry anything which might affect your balance or get tangled up with the reins
* keep a horse you are leading to your left
* move in the direction of the traffic flow in a one-way street
* never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends

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You MUST NOT take a horse onto a footpath or pavement, and you should not take a horse onto a cycle track. Use a bridleway where possible. Equestrian crossings may be provided for horse riders to cross the road and you should use these where available (see Rule 27). You should dismount at level crossings where a ‘horse rider dismount’ sign is displayed.




We ride double when the road is wide enough then drop down to single. We actually have our yard on a nasty bend, . I have had ****** over taking on this bend and they cannot see anything round the corner.

If we have a car behind us we either Trot round the corner and if its clear trot straight across into our driveway or on the bend we cross over to 20 yards of pavement and into our drive and into our drive It is damn right foolish to walk round our bend and stand there with hand out you almost certain be wiped out . As one of the liveries found out last week when nearly got rear ended waiting to turn in.

I think the safest way if your riding round a sharp corner is go into trot trot a safe distance from the corner then go back to walk. This gives a driver time to react.

 

[soulfull]

Speed limits are for the roads and there for good reason, private airfields/tracks are the place to go if you want to drive like a lunatic. I always drive to the conditions of the road and always will do.

Hypothetical - If travelling on a country road at 60 (speed limit)and you come to a corner, slow down to say 40 and negotiate successfully only to be met by two riders riding side by side just on the exit of said corner then what can be done to avoid the riders? Surely not a lot but you're within the speed limit so are driving with due care and attention, said riders should be at fault for riding side by side on the exit of a corner, but that I doubt as it will always be the drivers fault in the eyes of some.

Both sides of the story need to be listened to before any conclusions are made, leave the police to their enquiries and I'm sure we'll find out what happened in time.

Not everything in life is as black and white as some people seem to believe

OK you got me there but you didn't pick up on the fact that the riders were side by side after a corner, one horse I could avoid but two, i'm not so sure, anyway it was a point made hypothetically.

Country roads can be made enjoyable for all without lowering speed limits otherwise you'd spend your life stuck behind said John Deere tractor which, whether a horsey person (especially with the noise, smell etc) or a petrol head, is frustrating.

Oh and thanks for the welcome

Welcome to the forum and thank you for taking the time to join us!! while we may not always agree with you we DO respect and welcome your views

Please read my previous post re these points.

Highlight of which is under the principles of advanced driving if you can't see around a corner you should BE able to stop BEFORE IT regardless of what the speed limit is
Two horses side by side are no wider than a truck so if you could not avoid the horses you would not avoid a slow moving truck either

 

[ElvisandTilly]

Must say it’s also down to the riders to help themselves – the amount of ignorant riders who fail to thank or even nod when I’ve stopped/slowed right down for them is unbelievable

I had the exact experience of this one night this week. Mother leading young child on a dapple grey pony....no hi viz on either rider or mother leading ...... cloudy dull evening. She pulled into the side to let me pass, I passed slowly and smiled and waved my thanks to get a look of a bulldog chewing a wasp from the mother!! Its people like this, who should know better, that give us horsey folk a bad name.

 

[soulfull]

I had the exact experience of this one night this week. Mother leading young child on a dapple grey pony....no hi viz on either rider or mother leading ...... cloudy dull evening. She pulled into the side to let me pass, I passed slowly and smiled and waved my thanks to get a look of a bulldog chewing a wasp from the mother!! Its people like this, who should know better, that give us horsey folk a bad name.

I agree. last year I pulled up and told a group of teenagers off for not saying thank you. I told them they were putting themselves and others at risk by being too busy chatting to say thanks

Same as if I open a door open and person doesn't say thank you. I say it VERY LOUDLY, sometimes adding 'your welcome' too

 

[jeremyclarksonroar]

I agree. last year I pulled up and told a group of teenagers off for not saying thank you. I told them they were putting themselves and others at risk by being too busy chatting to say thanks

Same as if I open a door open and person doesn't say thank you. I say it VERY LOUDLY, sometimes adding 'your welcome' too

Must say it's this what really annoys me, show's the state the country's in if people can't use basic manners, it only takes a second to lift your hand up in a gesture of thanks or even just to mumble something.

I make a point of shouting thankyou at drivers who are ignorant if they have there windows down, sometimes works too

 

[AshTay]

I make a point of shouting thankyou at drivers who are ignorant if they have there windows down, sometimes works too

I do this too. I think that they're thinking "ignorant riders never say thanks, why should I slow down?" but then they see me nod, wave and smile anyway and immediately feel intense guilt and never speed past a horse again. In theory anyway!