Yet another delightful rider..... not..... when will this end?

Overstone stud said:
We all get up next day and say I wished i had not done that but when dealing with a difficult horse you make mistakes and you just have to move on. people who deal with horses on a day to day have to be firm and make decisions that the bunny huggers do not like or getting killed. I was not there so I have no idear if this was a horse or rider problem or a pushy parent.
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It was a trainer problem. The trainer, who is supposed to be one of the best in the world, hit the horse with a whip 24 times.

How often have you got up the next day and thought ' maybe i shouldn't have whipped that horse like that' ?
It's never for me.

Stop making excuses for this horrible animal abuser.


eahotson said:
I do think that we should all remember that every one if us does things that we regret later and we all from time to time make poor judgements.Would we want to be punished for life for it?
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Why are you trying to excuse her behaviour? She was supposed to be one of the best in the world.

Do you expect murderers and rapists and thugs to be set free from prison after 12 months because they wouldn't want to be punished for life??

Yes I think she should be banned for life from competing and banned from owning animals for a minimum of 5 years. That is what would happen to anyone else.
 
sport horse said:
So many complaints on here regarding the penalties handed out by the organising bodies. How many of you are members of BD/BS/BE? Out of those, how many of you attended the AGM of each of those bodies and raised you concerns about the length of suspension/other penalties for offences? If you did not attend, how many of you wrote in to the respective bodies and raised your concerns? If the answer is NIL then you have little to complain about so it is time to stop.
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So only people directly involved with horse sport have a right to a say on animal welfare? Seriously?
 
moosea said:
Yes I think she should be banned for life from competing and banned from owning animals for a minimum of 5 years. That is what would happen to anyone else.
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I have read about RSPCA prosecutions for far less, so I wonder why she wasn't prosecuted? I'm guessing it's because of who she is, rather than what she did.
 
BurntontheoutsideTurkey said:
So only people directly involved with horse sport have a right to a say on animal welfare? Seriously?
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No but those directly involved should actively try to change things not just take to social media. Even those not actively involved shoudl try to effect change if they feel that things are not going correctly. What action have you personally taken other than taking to social media, which, lets be honest, will make not a jot of difference?
 
Overstone stud said:
We all get up next day and say I wished i had not done that but when dealing with a difficult horse you make mistakes and you just have to move on. people who deal with horses on a day to day have to be firm and make decisions that the bunny huggers do not like or getting killed. I was not there so I have no idear if this was a horse or rider problem or a pushy parent.
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I could understand if the horse was attacking her/behaving dangerously but all it did that "justified" the beating was not perform a stupid movement well enough in her view, and apparently the whip wasn't good enough for hitting them with

Are you CDJ?

Disgusting how she's being received back so warmly both in media terms, and in person based on people observing what they saw at olympia

I wonder what the reaction would be if she wasn't an attractive lady who's won medals that was returning after this?
 
sport horse said:
No but those directly involved should actively try to change things not just take to social media. Even those not actively involved shoudl try to effect change if they feel that things are not going correctly. What action have you personally taken other than taking to social media, which, lets be honest, will make not a jot of difference?
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I'm not directly involved (anymore). I haven't been a member of anything for years and no longer ride at all but I have written repeatedly to the FEI about a variety of rider/welfare-connected matters over the last few years as well as supporting Crispin PJ financially and emailing British and European politicians (as you can see, this has made all the difference in the FEI's surprising new hard line on welfare standards /s).

That still doesn't mean people can't or shouldn't gather on SM to discuss this stuff, whatever else they do. It's a good way of gauging current thinking among peers, getting new information and honing one's own opinions.
 
sport horse said:
No but those directly involved should actively try to change things not just take to social media. Even those not actively involved shoudl try to effect change if they feel that things are not going correctly. What action have you personally taken other than taking to social media, which, lets be honest, will make not a jot of difference?
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It does. If social media didn't make any difference then businesses wouldn't spend billions of pounds on social media marketing. Social media, like it or not, is the court of public opinion. FEI makes money off advertising, so do all the various sponsors of events and individual riders and social media is where the ads are these days, especially for niche markets like equestrianism.

You're not wrong, there are maybe more impactful ways to register your opinion but social media doesn't do nothing. Voting with your wallet has an impact because really thats all any of the people at the top of the sport want. Their money comes from us at the bottom.
 
BurntontheoutsideTurkey said:
I'm not directly involved (anymore). I haven't been a member of anything for years and no longer ride at all but I have written repeatedly to the FEI about a variety of rider/welfare-connected matters over the last few years as well as supporting Crispin PJ financially and emailing British and European politicians (as you can see, this has made all the difference in the FEI's surprising new hard line on welfare standards /s).

That still doesn't mean people can't or shouldn't gather on SM to discuss this stuff, whatever else they do. It's a good way of gauging current thinking among peers, getting new information and honing one's own opinions.
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Well done you but there are 29 pages on this post and so far you are the only one who has said that they have written to the administering bodies - be it FEI or National (they do all interlink). I too complain to a federation if I think something needs changing but actually very few people do so it is only their own fault if things are not as they would like.
 
sport horse said:
Well done you but there are 29 pages on this post and so far you are the only one who has said that they have written to the administering bodies - be it FEI or National (they do all interlink). I too complain to a federation if I think something needs changing but actually very few people do so it is only their own fault if things are not as they would like.
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I think you may be over-estimating the weight the governing bodies put on the views of random members of the public.
 
sport horse said:
Well done you but there are 29 pages on this post and so far you are the only one who has said that they have written to the administering bodies - be it FEI or National (they do all interlink). I too complain to a federation if I think something needs changing but actually very few people do so it is only their own fault if things are not as they would like.
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I've also written to governing bodies about the dreadful display of temper I saw Ben Maher exhibit several years ago. It did nothing whatsoever and my complaint was not acknowledged.
 
sport horse said:
Well done you but there are 29 pages on this post and so far you are the only one who has said that they have written to the administering bodies - be it FEI or National (they do all interlink). I too complain to a federation if I think something needs changing but actually very few people do so it is only their own fault if things are not as they would like.
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Isn't it to be expected that those governing bodies would actually be able to deal with things like this? It's sort of their job. I
 
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Ben Maher: anyone care to give this lameness a score? 😮
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Wow - that's not even borderline!
 
TheMule said:
TBH though, and in the interest of balance- you don’t judge soundness in walk, the horse will have passed a trot up at the start of the show and I just went and checked and he trots her into the ring very sound at Lyon in several of his rounds
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I can't find any video from the rounds but would be interesting to see as she looks wrong on LF and RH. Moving like that can't be doing her body any good even if mechanical.
 
Overstone stud said:
you make mistakes and you just have to move on.
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No, you make mistakes and you have to learn from them.

If you get things wrong/make mistakes and are in the public eye then you have to show what you have learned and how you have changed/evolved. Otherwise, as clearly demonstrated on this thread, a great many people will continue to see it as being a problem and will not just pretend it didn't happen in order to be agreeable.
 
If my daughters horse had looked like that in the warm up in walk a) she would have got off not waited to see if he trotted ok. And yes even at low level competition she could always feel when one of her horse was NQR b) Had she not got off I would have pulled her aside and made her get off. That is not an okay walk no matter how high level and brilliant the rider is. Surely that must have felt awful to sit on.
 
splashgirl45 said:
I was talking about coming out of the olympics not CDJ, she’s been discussed enough.
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yes, but that feeling that is now being felt by the general public will have turned them off horse sports in general, combined with horse and rider deaths and the awful pentathalon stuff, thats what will do for the olympics.
 
TheMule said:
TBH though, and in the interest of balance- you don’t judge soundness in walk, the horse will have passed a trot up at the start of the show and I just went and checked and he trots her into the ring very sound at Lyon in several of his rounds
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Theres an awful lot of twisting and unnatural movement in that hock never mind the obvious lameness. Whether or not the horse then looks sound in trot it shouldn't be asked to jump huge fences.
 
I'm Dun said:
Theres an awful lot of twisting and unnatural movement in that hock never mind the obvious lameness. Whether or not the horse then looks sound in trot it shouldn't be asked to jump huge fences.
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You might be onto something there because the mare did actually pull up lame right hind part way through a round in Geneva a few weeks after this video (having jumped at 2 further International shows including passing the trot ups in between)
 
For all the people supporting Charlotte Dujardin, i wonder what they would say if you asked them the following questions.

Would you accept your trainer to whip your horse during a lesson ? Even, if he showed distress and didn't understand what was asked of him ?

Would you be ok to ride your horse and having your trainer chase him with a whip, resulting of your horse being all stressed up ?

I bet you, many wouldn't be ok with it.....

It's ok to be supportive when it's someones else horse... It's another story when it's your own....
 
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