Yet another idiot owner thread!

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Today, walking the dog with my mum and her two Maltese (they've all moved in here temporarily while her house is being built) we had TWO ridiculous run ins with owners with out of control dogs. My mum's Maltese, Alfie, has been reactive since puppyhood (he's 10 now), I suspect it's in his breeding as his dam was "snappy" apparently; her other one couldn't be more different, personality-wise. The reactive one is on lead all the time, and the other if other dogs approach.

First one as we got onto a narrow woodland path, we both got off the path, and the woman saw us (with all our dogs on lead), called her dogs, both of which ignored her and went straight to my mum's reactive Maltese, who was barking and snarling and trying to lunge at them. Unfortunately my mum was also on the phone to the consultant my gran is under - not usual, and certainly not best, practice but the hospital called just before this happened and understandably she's keen to get the opportunity to speak to him - so she was struggling to listen to the consultant, and keep the dogs off her dogs; then one came and had a sniff at mine, so I told it and the woman to back off in no uncertain terms.

A while later on the same walk, we were on a big open playing field. A man with 6 large dogs - some lurcher types, some bull types - came onto the field from his car, with not one lead on him. I called over in a friendly way as they started getting closer, "two of these dogs are reactive towards other dogs, please don't let your dogs get close" - we were against a hedgeline so didn't really have anywhere else to go. Great, we thought, he's going the other way.... nope, he was popping back to his car to get ONE lead (!), which he put on ONE dog... and then carried on towards us, half heartedly calling the rest, who completely ignored him. One lurcher type came over and we shooed it away, but it hung around for ages, with my mum's dog going berserk; then a bull type went over to my him, so he had a snarl and lunge at it - it started snarling back, my mum screamed at it and I went running over with Frank, and it ran off to the owner - but it would have easily killed my mum's dog if they'd had a fight. The man had NO control over any of them, literally they completely ignored him. We both had a right go at him and I told him I'd be filming him and his dogs if I saw him again. We watched him walk off round the field, not even looking at his dogs as they crapped all over the place. On a kids' playing field. Honestly makes my blood boil.

His response to us was "they just want to say hello" and he couldn't grasp that our dogs did not want to say hello; nor that one of his was definitely up for having a go at our reactive one! I hadn't taken my stick that I've taken to carrying with me on walks lately, typical - really must take it every time, it could have been really nasty due to the sheer size difference.

No real point to this post apart from to vent!

In the meantime I've had a trainer out to assess Frank, he's on the waiting list to go on some doggy socialisation days with him and learn to be confident around other dogs again, and then the trainer is going to work with me AND Frank to help get our confidence up on walks again. But for the time being, I've just got to "manage" the situation with other dogs.
 

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I hate the "only saying hello". Its so unfair on your mom as like you said that's an important call she can't put down. A dog was barking furiously at my pup once last week (mine on lead) and the woman said she's just saying hello, so I asked if she'd be happy if I came and shouted right in her face. She still did nothing until one of the other dogs essentially pushed that dog away.

It would have been good if you could film those dogs pooing on a kids field, that would certainly get the attention of the dog warden or local council.

Hope your gran is okay and Frank can rebuild his confidence
 

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I hate it when people toss out the friends/hello bit. If the dogs were more intimidating than Maltese you could use of my line, "They only want to leave holes." Backs people right off. Fortunately it has been years since I've needed to use it. But it was very useful with my sable bitch.
 

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Thanks SAujla, my gran is in hospital with severe cellulitis and also has Alzheimers, she's very confused and distressed and none of the family can visit due to Covid regs, so it's all just horrendous. I wish I had filmed him, he was quite far away by the time we turned round to look and realised that he wasn't even watching any of his dogs though.

I'm sure the Maltese would have LOVED to have left holes..! But being as he's under 5kg and has about 5 teeth left, he wouldn't have a hope in hell. I'm also sure that my dog would have charged in to his defence but that's not a behaviour I want to encourage.

Back to walking the fields instead... just annoying as the park is so convenient when I haven't got that long due to work. It's huge, there's plenty of space to avoid other dogs, or should be!
 

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I had been taking a show cane with me (the most substantial stick I have, short of carrying a lunge whip..!). Will def start again, it's just another thing to remember and I had forgotten - I have to hide it when not in use or my toddler grabs it and starts using it as a "sword" and without the visual cue I'm hopeless!
 

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I had been taking a show cane with me (the most substantial stick I have, short of carrying a lunge whip..!). Will def start again, it's just another thing to remember and I had forgotten - I have to hide it when not in use or my toddler grabs it and starts using it as a "sword" and without the visual cue I'm hopeless!

I started with a shepherd’s crook thing but then I found the Lidl’s one for a fiver and it’s very light but you can shorten it to carry and then lengthen it when under threat!
 

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I started with a shepherd’s crook thing but then I found the Lidl’s one for a fiver and it’s very light but you can shorten it to carry and then lengthen it when under threat!
Sounds ideal! Will have to try and find one similar :)
 

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You could have taken his reg.no and contacted the dog warden. 6 large dogs off lead, out of control, crapping and not picking up. You felt threatened by so many large loose dogs etc etc.

Unless people do something things will not improve.

We did, we took a photo of his car. However the dog warden told me after my last incident that unless a dog literally savages another dog, there is basically nothing that they or the police can do?!?!?! And on that occasion I had the guy's full name and telephone number yet they still wouldn't/couldn't do anything!

I guess at least if I report it, it'll be on the record though, in case anything else happens. Point taken!
 

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PP, wasn 't it Frank who was bitten on your holiday last year? What was the outcome of that? Sorry if I missed it.

I hope your Gran is on the mend, how distressing.

Yep it was. The guy apologised when I confronted him about it, said his dog had never done anything like it before. Once I'd taken the scab off and flushed it the wound healed fine so no vet bills incurred - but obviously a HUGE knock to his confidence, poor lad. There have just been so many things happen now, he's absolutely fine and non-reactive on walks (no barking, lunging etc.) but if a dog gets too close to him whilst he's on lead, he will go to defend himself first now - and I absolutely don't blame him! But he shouldn't have to. And after being chased by those retrievers (blind bolted in panic, ran for home, missing for 30 mins running the lanes), I dare not have him off lead where other dogs may be, either! :(
 

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Yep it was. The guy apologised when I confronted him about it, said his dog had never done anything like it before. Once I'd taken the scab off and flushed it the wound healed fine so no vet bills incurred - but obviously a HUGE knock to his confidence, poor lad. There have just been so many things happen now, he's absolutely fine and non-reactive on walks (no barking, lunging etc.) but if a dog gets too close to him whilst he's on lead, he will go to defend himself first now - and I absolutely don't blame him! But he shouldn't have to. And after being chased by those retrievers (blind bolted in panic, ran for home, missing for 30 mins running the lanes), I dare not have him off lead where other dogs may be, either! :(


I noticed that in OP you said you ran to get to your mum and her dogs. Can I suggest that you stay more closely together when walking together, you will present a more obviously united front fro the start to the idiot owners and if you are not walking closely together at because of the dogs' reactions to each other, that would be a good place to begin your training.
 

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I noticed that in OP you said you ran to get to your mum and her dogs. Can I suggest that you stay more closely together when walking together, you will present a more obviously united front fro the start to the idiot owners and if you are not walking closely together at because of the dogs' reactions to each other, that would be a good place to begin your training.
Our dogs get on absolutely fine, they have lived together previously when F was fairly young when I split from my ex, and F absolutely adores them; though Alfie (the reactive one) is very much the boss of F. I purposely don't walk too close to her dogs though, as Alfie sets F off when he starts his barking and snarling at other dogs - definitely not a behaviour I want F to start! If I'm slightly separate from him, I can keep F's focus on me. I prefer not to walk with her dogs at all to be honest as it complicates things for me, but needs must sometimes.
 

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I’ve had this scenario when I’ve walked certain routes with my dogs..often you just KNOW that the “guarding “breed or the hyper dog , in a certain garden ,WILL fence jump to engage...or the farm dogs will have a go just for the heck of it..etc..
Instead of a stick I would take a really HUGE ,solid,old fashioned ,pop up( on a release button) umbrella...with pointed metal end.
At the press of a button,it made an instant,.robust shield when opened up in face of an attacking dog.
The owner ,if a belated presence, would be able to get to their dog before the offender could make contact..trust me it works.
 

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I’ve had this scenario when I’ve walked certain routes with my dogs..often you just KNOW that the “guarding “breed or the hyper dog , in a certain garden ,WILL fence jump to engage...or the farm dogs will have a go just for the heck of it..etc..
Instead of a stick I would take a really HUGE ,solid,old fashioned ,pop up( on a release button) umbrella...with pointed metal end.
At the press of a button,it made an instant,.robust shield when opened up in face of an attacking dog.
The owner ,if a belated presence, would be able to get to their dog before the offender could make contact..trust me it works.
That is SUCH a good idea!
 

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Can I offer one for the idiot owner award today? Driving up through the local wood, off-road path to the right in the woods, we came round a corner (thankfully expecting bad driving by other road users) and nearly ran over a dog, on its own in the middle of a blind bend.

As we came round the bend we then saw the owner (herself walking around a blind bend on the wrong side to see or be seen) frantically haul in the extendable lead the dog was on. She's very lucky it was us, another driver who didn't know that road as well as we do might easily have killed the dog.
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Was walking Pepper the other day. She is never on a lead as she walks immaculately at heel when I need her to. Saw a dog approaching so called her to heel. Terrier type dog comes running up, up her backside really full on. Poor pepper is so nervous and desperately trying to ignore the dog but it’s literally shoving her forward. I call to the owner “she will bite him” (she won’t but not the point). Owner says “oh that’s fine”.

I lost my shit inside but managed a collected “well that might be fine to you but it’s not to me, please come and get your dog”. Owner eventually approaches and literally can’t “catch” the dog it’s just running rings away from her and around pepper.

Absolutely vile. Why are people so bloody useless.
 

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I have to confess that my sodding terrier squeezed under a gate today (he hasn't done that before) and peed off down the lane after a whippet. Whippet's owner was really very kind about it but that could have gone badly wrong on several counts.:( Red is usually immaculate to recall but not today - more work needed. And a log under the gate!!
 

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I have to confess that my sodding terrier squeezed under a gate today (he hasn't done that before) and peed off down the lane after a whippet. Whippet's owner was really very kind about it but that could have gone badly wrong on several counts.:( Red is usually immaculate to recall but not today - more work needed. And a log under the gate!!

That is a very different situation to owners making no effort to recall their terrier as it terrorises another dog ?
 

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That is a very different situation to owners making no effort to recall their terrier as it terrorises another dog ?

Well yes and that is kind to say so but as far as the charming whippet's owner was concerned my coir mat on springs just appeared without anyone apparantly in control (latch key dog!!) then she hears rather frantic calling of said sodding coir mat on springs now dancing round the poor whippet. I was embarrassed to say the least and my stuttering apology was quite lame!! 'Sorry, he hasn't done that before...he's usually really good...blah blah blah'!! I had, 2 years ago, puppy proofed the yard I thought and he hasn't left the property on his own before but then...terriers...
 

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I don't have an anecdote to share today - we didn't meet a single idiot on today's walk. It's such a rare occurrence that I did a little fist-pump when I got home. ?

Sad but true. I've left walking mine until now, today, as been hectic with work, crossing my fingers not too many idiots about now. 6am is my preferred walking time to be honest - much too early for most round here, bliss!
 

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ponyparty, I agree with walking early. The earlier the better. Since it is supposed to be hot for this time of the year this weekend, upper 70's, if we walk it will be early and fairly short. We get humid here and I don't want to over heat the dogs.
 

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Can I offer one for the idiot owner award today? Driving up through the local wood, off-road path to the right in the woods, we came round a corner (thankfully expecting bad driving by other road users) and nearly ran over a dog, on its own in the middle of a blind bend.

As we came round the bend we then saw the owner (herself walking around a blind bend on the wrong side to see or be seen) frantically haul in the extendable lead the dog was on. She's very lucky it was us, another driver who didn't know that road as well as we do might easily have killed the dog.
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We get this ALL the time on a busy lane with lots of blind bends.it's been much worse since may of the lockdown loonies from the new housing estate have aquired dogs....
 

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Bloody sick of running away from idiot owners. We were training (as usual) last weekend. It’s clear that we’re training, yet some other owner decided to make a beeline for us even when we put puss cat on the lead and practically ran away! Bugger off, my dog will be really unhappy if your dog comes up to him, but he will never go and bother yours. We’ve had to start avoiding one park where new lockdown owners have taken to letting their youngsters run riot. They’re all poo cross types.
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Im getting more and more to the point i think it should be law for all dogs to be on a lead. I know this should not happen, many many dogs/owners are in control or good natured but its so stressful being out in fear. My old staff was very dog aggressive, i knew this and she was never ever off lead unless we were literally alone (when she got older she got very clingy and had no teeth so walking up the deserted beach was considered ok lol) but we didnt really seem to have much issues cause anyone who saw a snarling staff quite quickly had their own dog under control or under their armpit.

One thing im getting really sick of hearing though is the owners of off lead unrecalled dogs yapping about how their dog got injured by an ON lead dog because they let it go up to it. A friends elderly lurcher (on lead) was bounced on by a young lab, she reacted obviously because she was in pain from arthritis etc and this bloody dog had just jumped on her..but the owner of said lab had it posted all over FB saying how dangerous lurcher was and what a bad owner she was and her dog only wanted to say hello and that it will be a child it attacks next etc etc makes my blood boil.
 

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Has the phrase "only wanting to say hello" always been so prevalent? I'm tired of hearing it myself and I've only had my pup 11 months. How do they know every time its just their dog wanting to say hello, what if its an intact male their dog wants to go over and dominate or fight with. Or the dog can smell some treats on the dogs owner. A wagging tail isn't always a sign of a happy dog etc, but I wonder if they think "oh tail wagging just wants to say hello".
 

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Has the phrase "only wanting to say hello" always been so prevalent?.

no if you have a large dog on a lead and a small unleaded dog runs up then, after you ask the other owner to keep their dog away, the phrase is "he likes big dogs"..

If you are on a horse again having asked the other owner to call their dog back the phrase becomes "he doesn't mind horses`'

They are becoming such common phrases I expect they will be making the dictionary any time soon. :p
 
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