YO issues - are we being behaving unacceptably?!

McNally said:
I think your right to be annoyed- Are you at my yard by any chance!? it sounds very very familiar. My horse is on complete DIY so not my problem but it does mean i am around more and see what go's on at the yard- A few liveries stay in some days til 1.30 PM!!! without being mucked out hayed or watered (they do get fed breakfast).
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My first thought was "gosh that sounds like "X" yard I used to be on"... Either it's a more common eventuality that we'd like to believe, or there's a few coincidences here ;)

I think the OP should give the YM a chance at their meeting, and explain calmly their reasoning and the benefits for the YM (getting paid to do things she doesn't have to do!) and if the YM has good reason against it (upsetting others / grazing limited) that's just life and you either have to put up with it or move, and if the YM is unreasonable and won't discuss it or give good reason, all you can do is just smile, nod and put up with it whilst you find a new place asap!
 
MummyBuck said:
Doris 2008 states that the YO doesn't actually turn up until gone 9.30am so what time do the horses actually get out?

Incidentally, we turn out at 6am every morning. I would hate to think of my boy being in till gone 9.30am! Keep smiling!
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Lol! Sorry to keep harping on, but I'm firmly in the Charlie76 camp :) I couldn't care less whether my horses went out at 8am or 10.30am. It really doesn't matter to me providing they have hay and water and are kept to a similar routine daily (note I say "routine" which is not time relative). The only time frame I would be itchy about would be someone turning my horses out at 6am -7.30am when it's still cold and them not going back out to my horses to take off rugs a couple of hours later once the sun has come up and the temperatures are warmer. By 9am or 10am the temperatures are normally fairly stable for the rest of the day at this time of year so it would save a YO extra work if she were to turn out a little later ie between 8am and 10am.

I am not diminishing the OPs complaints. I expect they are valid complaints to her but on the flip side the YO maybe also has reasons for why she does what she does? Everyone has different ideas of what is right and what is wrong and we have to decide what is really important and what isn't. So if the OP feels that the hacking and grazing are worth more than whether the horses go out early then everyone can be happy but if she values early turnout more than hacking and good grazing then there are lots of yards around and she can find somewhere which suits her better :)
 
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Peronally, I would rather have my boy out feeling slightly cooler (though able to maintain his own warmth walking about) than being stuck in for 17 hours plus (mine are in around 4pm on nice days). Each to there own though! :)
 
MummyBuck said:
Peronally, I would rather have my boy out feeling slightly cooler (though able to maintain his own warmth walking about) than being stuck in for 17 hours plus (mine are in around 4pm on nice days). Each to there own though! :)
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You see where I'm going though? I would not keep my horses in the care of someone who thought it was okay for my horses to be chilled every morning from 6am until the ground warmed up hours later. Or with someone who rugged them ready for turnout at 6am and then didn't see to it that the rugs are removed at 10am or 11am when it's much warmer.

It really is horses for courses isn't it? :)
 
Angua2 said:
I am having trouble seeing what the problem is having your horse turned out gone 9.30am. I have left a yard with no winter turn out and one where the YM/YO wouldn't turn out at all and now am on assisted DIY where the yard turn out and bring in. Perhaps I am odd, as I don't particularly care when my horse goes out as long as she does. I also don't care how long she is out for as long as she has a little bit of out time.

Hard to advise, as only you know what you can tolerate and what you can't.
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I'm with you here tbh, 9.30 seems fine to me. If she's got several to turn out then someone's has to be last. Pretty thankless task all this turning out and bringing in!
 
Guys - 9.30 is NOT the time the horses are turned out, its the time the YO arrives to DO the horses - turn out is obviously going to be even later! I would be more intererested to see what time the horses were effectively "put to bed" because I somehow do not think the answer will be " YO finishes off the horses at 9pm"
 
I think the main problem here is that your YO's methods don't suit you and aren't the way you like to keep your horse. I don't think either of you is wrong or right, just that you have different opinions. I can understand that you want your horses out earlier than the YO turns out, but I can also see her point about doing favours for other liveries - she's running a business and wants to maximise her income. Also, things can get sticky between favour-doing liveries if one party feels the other takes advantage/doesn't do as much as they do/doesn't do things the way they do etc.

I think bottom line is that the way this yard is run at present doesn't suit you and that you would be better cutting your losses and moving on if the YO is unable or unwilling to compromise.
 
I don't seethe problem with not turning out at the crack of dawn. My horses are fed at 7 - 7.30 and then go out an hour later. 9.30 would be a bit late for my liking but only if they didn't have forage. In the really bad weather here the horses go out in the all weather in shifts at 7.30, 10, and 1pm. So the last group has to wait until 1). They do not mind at all as they have haylage and ususally the weather is horrible anyway. So long as they have a routine and access to forage then they are happy. However, it does sound as though the YO the OP is refering to does not live on site and so the horses are waiting in until she arrives. Do they have anyone coming to feed them earlier?
 
Hi there, You and your friend are in the right. This yard owner should be having a meeting with you to ask if you have any friends who you can put her way. Many people running a yard become complacent with such nice liveries you see, and suddenly they are doing you a favour that you are paying for. The cheek of the woman. She needs a reality check the poor dear.
 
Wow..didn't expect so many replies and such a range of opinions.
I can see how many people wouldn't mind 9.30 turnout, however, sadly turnout time varies massively according to what time she actually gets to the yard. Although, to be honest if it was 9.30 TO every day, I still don't think i'd be happy with that at this time of year - simply because I like him out as long as possible. YO working day finishes around 4. All other liveries are bought in then except ours.
I explained how my usual routine before we moved there and she stated that she gets to the yard every morning at 6.30 and horses are turned out by 7.30 - obviously in winter its a bit more weather dependant and I am happy that he just gets to go out. At this time of the year I would rather he was out 24/7 - but although she promised we could, she is not allowing that at the moment. Grazing is in good condition and fields are dry.

Anyhow, me and friend have decided to wait to see IF she calls a yard meeting over the next week or so. So far she has ignored us on the yard or pretended to be on the phone! And has not mentioned anything to other liveries. We are continuing with our routine as I do not want my horses routine upsetting yet again. If she allows us to work it this way we will stay over summer and sort ourselves out somewhere for the end of the season. We will use the meeting as an opportunity to make ourselves be heard - we will explain why we are doing it ourselves. She won't take it well, she doesn't do adult conversation and will only discuss things when there isn't another sole around.

To be honest though, I think the main problem we have is a lack of trust, we have tried talking to her and explaining things but she doesnt absorb it or explain her reasons. I don't think we have much option but to move elsewhere. We have spoken to yard about half a mile away who will have us with 5 minutes notice - the owner knows of YO and is concerned that we may need to get out pronto.
 
You don't mention what time they come in. If the length of turnout is sufficient then as others say, it doesn't matter what time they're turned out as long as it's routine. I'd be more concerned about your horse falling over - presumably somebody else told you about it. If the grazing and hacking are that good, I'd stay put. There's always something you'd like to change at your yard but the grass isn't always greener.
 
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