matty007
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How old are you??.
You hunters....what r u like....
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How old are you??.
browbrow
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23
I am assuming that you are lot younger as
A) I dont know anyone under the age of 21 that calls people 'nobs'
B) dont know anyone barring silly little teens that would 'warn someone with regards to a post.
I am assuming that you are lot younger as
A) I dont know anyone under the age of 21 that calls people 'nobs'
B) dont know anyone barring silly little teens that would 'warn someone with regards to a post.
southgate1975
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Well I think your point is that native hunting societies round the world dont contain murderers because aggression has been released during hunting. And I pointed out that I can google and find lots of evidence of murders done by people from such societies.
But lets look at it another way. Many primitive societies are in fact very aggressive. The (cant spell it) natives of New Zealand were constantly fighting each other, to the point that visitors are subjected to a ritual greeting that implies 'I'll fight you if I have to' (the Hakka). There's a warrior culture amongst North American indians that pre-dates contact with the white man. In fact, there's a warrior culture amongst many other native tribes.... eg Zulus in Africa, Borneo Dyaks. First contact with a lot of tribes round the world was marked by a lot of danger.... eg the headhunters did just what their name suggests. And what about cannibals.....
So, sorry, but I dont think your idea stands up to scrutiny.
But lets look at it another way. Many primitive societies are in fact very aggressive. The (cant spell it) natives of New Zealand were constantly fighting each other, to the point that visitors are subjected to a ritual greeting that implies 'I'll fight you if I have to' (the Hakka). There's a warrior culture amongst North American indians that pre-dates contact with the white man. In fact, there's a warrior culture amongst many other native tribes.... eg Zulus in Africa, Borneo Dyaks. First contact with a lot of tribes round the world was marked by a lot of danger.... eg the headhunters did just what their name suggests. And what about cannibals.....
So, sorry, but I dont think your idea stands up to scrutiny.
severnmiles
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I was talking about the 'sick, nutty' murders in our society, they will fight over possesions, women what have you but you find Fred Wests amongst them - that is my point.
And I'm not being funny but go and stand outside your local club at 3am and count the fights...you'll need more than your fingers and toes though...
And I'm not being funny but go and stand outside your local club at 3am and count the fights...you'll need more than your fingers and toes though...
southgate1975
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Try googling on keywords like 'primitive tribes torture' and see how many hits you get.
severnmiles
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Grrr...you are impossible! I am talking about tribes NOW, not thousands of years ago!
southgate1975
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Search these texts for the word 'torture'
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/anthro/outreach/Indbibl/bibNE.html
http://www.amazon.com/Scalping-Torture-Warfare-Practices-American/dp/0919645100
You may well be thinking of primitive tribes *now*, but bear in mind.....
... historically, primitive tribes were easily capable of 'sick' murder.
... very very few primitive tribes exist now
... the historical practices of primitive tribes has been very significantly modified by contact with the white man, especially missionaries and colonial administrators.
... there are places in South Africa (especially Jo'burg) that are very dangerous for whites... and black-on-black violence is very prevalent.
Bottom line... I still dont think your point holds water.
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/anthro/outreach/Indbibl/bibNE.html
http://www.amazon.com/Scalping-Torture-Warfare-Practices-American/dp/0919645100
You may well be thinking of primitive tribes *now*, but bear in mind.....
... historically, primitive tribes were easily capable of 'sick' murder.
... very very few primitive tribes exist now
... the historical practices of primitive tribes has been very significantly modified by contact with the white man, especially missionaries and colonial administrators.
... there are places in South Africa (especially Jo'burg) that are very dangerous for whites... and black-on-black violence is very prevalent.
Bottom line... I still dont think your point holds water.
severnmiles
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The fact remains that there are many primitive tribes, Inuits & Calahari to name two! (Last Man Standing seem to be finding plenty of them!)
I'm not interested in what went on in the past only how they have been behaving in the past 40 years...have a look!
I'm not interested in what went on in the past only how they have been behaving in the past 40 years...have a look!
southgate1975
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I wouldnt call Inuit that primitive.
But if you really think they are, google 'inuit sexual murder'.
And the Kalahari is a place, not a tribe.
But if you really think they are, google 'inuit sexual murder'.
And the Kalahari is a place, not a tribe.
severnmiles
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I'm talking about the San Bushmen tribe not the place... And I'm talking about the different tribes that the inuit people make up...how old are the Navajo inuits? Or the sheep eating Shoshone tribe? A tribe is a tribe..if you're a member of a tribe its pretty damn primitive in my view.
severnmiles
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15 inuit rapists.... :shocked: I mean how many are in London alone of a weekend :smirk:
Eagle_day
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If you want to hear pseudo-scientists spout rubbish about this sort of thing, you should attend this:
"Britains first major academic conference on the Relationship between Animal Abuse and Human Violence will be held on Tuesday 18 September 2007, at Keble College, Oxford."
Alternatively, we should be hunting again by then ....
"Britains first major academic conference on the Relationship between Animal Abuse and Human Violence will be held on Tuesday 18 September 2007, at Keble College, Oxford."
Alternatively, we should be hunting again by then ....
severnmiles
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Oh yes one for the diary, we're a Wednesday midweek so I can do both...do you think the scientists would appreciate my input...being a sadist and all :smirk:
southgate1975
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Ah, so if you're in a tribe, then you're by definition 'primitive'.
severnmiles
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How many tribal people do you know of who aren't primitive? They have hardly evolved, unlike us they still hunt traditionally - using spears e.t.c, use animals skins as clothes bla bla bla...
southgate1975
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"How many tribal people do you know of who aren't primitive"
Loads !
You mentioned tribal Inuits. Well Inuits are not primitive. Traditional hunting is only done as a matter of choice and as a way to remember the past. Most often they use modern techniques, tools and weapons... like skiddoos, boats, rifles, and radios.
North American Indians also may celebrate their culture, but most often drive cars rather than go to work on horses. Did you know that most casinos in the USA are run by North American Indians ?
Loads !
You mentioned tribal Inuits. Well Inuits are not primitive. Traditional hunting is only done as a matter of choice and as a way to remember the past. Most often they use modern techniques, tools and weapons... like skiddoos, boats, rifles, and radios.
North American Indians also may celebrate their culture, but most often drive cars rather than go to work on horses. Did you know that most casinos in the USA are run by North American Indians ?
severnmiles
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The San Bushmen are primitive.
severnmiles
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I think you're thinking of the Eskimo Inuits...there are other tribes.
southgate1975
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ROFL ! There's no such thing. Inuit is a racial/tribal name. Eskimo is a loose nickname meaning 'one who eats uncoocked meat'.
severnmiles
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LOL There are different types of Inuits! Thats like saying all people in the UK are the same, even in Wales, you have North Wales Gogs and South Wales Valley Boys!
southgate1975
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This is only germane if the said people are a) tribal and b) primitive.
southgate1975
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But anyway.
The native South Africans who live in Soweto... they are definitly tribal. Are they also primitive ?
The native South Africans who live in Soweto... they are definitly tribal. Are they also primitive ?
peakpark
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quote/ Traditional hunting is only done as a matter of choice and as a way to remember the past. /quote
Do you think it acceptable for Inuits to hunt for those reasons?
Do you think it acceptable for Inuits to hunt for those reasons?
southgate1975
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Yes, as the hunted animals are eaten or otherwise used. Nothing is wasted and nothing is killed just for sport.
severnmiles
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Your problem with fox hunting has always been that it is enjoyed, even if it the more humane option, the San Bushman tribe said they enjoy hunting the animals..is that not wrong in your eyes?
southgate1975
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As I believe their primary aim in hunting is subsistence, I have no problem with it.
By the way, your San Bushmen probably say a prayer of thanksgiving and apology when they kill an animal, such is there respect for it and its life.
By the way, your San Bushmen probably say a prayer of thanksgiving and apology when they kill an animal, such is there respect for it and its life.
severnmiles
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Respect? Have you seen them kill birds and porcupines?
southgate1975
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Have you ? When did you last visit ?
peakpark
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If some of the Inuit hunters happened to be upper class inuits would you still find it acceptable?
peakpark
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quote/ By the way, your San Bushmen probably say a prayer of thanksgiving and apology when they kill an animal, such is there respect for it and its life. /quote
Oh well, that's alright then.
Oh well, that's alright then.