Young horse bucking part 2

[Debsflo1]

Following my earlier post re a recently bought young horse ,just 5 bucking this is an update with more thoughts welcome.
We have owned a connie x tb for 2 months , he displayed issues ie tense under saddle from week 1 but attributed to move ,stress etc.
This has gradually increased despite doing all the right things.
Had physio ,v tight hip flexor and adhesions on poll ,large bean removed , feet and teeth checked.
Had 2 saddlers out ,suspect first wasn't perfect but sent back just in case.
Hes not seen a jump done mainly wtc and most recently walk.
looks unhappy and anxious at sight of a saddle, bless him
Teeth show he's been hanging on the bit and worn a groove.
Had our instructor review him ,thought he was struggling to bend right hence physio.
We also attended a bitting clinic ,treated for ulcers and have just had a vet workup after abandoning riding completely 2 weeks ago as bucking ,tension and trying to bite her legs when ridden increased dramatically and looked like an accident waiting to happen
He lives out ,has hay ,tb chaff etc and is fab on the ground.
Vet has said suspects si issues as although no issue on palpation, fine in straight line but 110 lame on right rein on lunge although all symptoms point to that.
We had back x rayed ,no kissing spine but minor changes below wither but he felt were not significant
He advised medicating and rehab ,says not uncommon in youngsters but could be overuse whilst not strong enough.
We are debating how to proceed.
I feel we inherited a broken horse despite 5 stage vetting.
He was unsettled ridden at vetting but vet said green despite saying he was tense and unsettled.
I wish we had contacted dealer earlier but hindsight is wonderful.
We want to do right by the horse but I'm gutted for daughter.
My 3 options are see if seller who alleges she bred him but we have evidence didn't would allow us to return as not suitable or as described.
Was bought as potential low level event horse all-rounder.
Medicate and rehab livery and keep or medicate rehab livery and sell.
Thoughts welcome , I'm so sad it's gone wrong so quickly.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

What is in the tb chaff? If it's alfalfa, or indeed anything except grass, I would cut it out of his diet and see if the behaviour improves. having said that , as you bought from adealer, I would look into returning the horse. Speak to Trading Standards.

 

[Debsflo1]

No thunderbrooks chaff.
Nothing with molasses or alfalfa

 

[I'm Dun]

You may legally be able to return the horse as not fit for purpose. You are outside the return for no reason window, but with the seriousness of the issues I think you could make a good case

 

[dixie]

What a shame is turned out like this on what should be an exciting time.
you’ve done your best for the horse by checking everything.

Have you treated for hind gut ulcers as they don’t show on a scope and can affect behaviour.

You could also see about returning the horse. If you’re BHS member I believe you can get free legal advice.

 

[Debsflo1]

Yes he's had a month on omeprazole and sulcrafate to rule out ulcers.
No change and vet aware.
We are bhs gold members so I will ring Mon and daughter can contact seller.
I am so disappointed for her and the horse as its one long stress and we have thrown money by trying to do the right thing.
Part of me is relieved there's a reason for this but we need to resolve some how.
Hes a lovely boy underneath it all

 

[blitznbobs]

Private or dealer sale? If private not a hope in hell unless the seller is very very kind... dealer - it’s a struggle, because you have shown it’s due to a physical ailment, AND you had the horse vetted which it passed, the dealer has a good case to say that the deterioration was after you had the horse... and if the continue to say that this horse did not have the behaviour prior to your ownership then your case is fairly weak. Stress causes ulcers and as such moving the horse could have set this all off.

 

[Debsflo1]

Dealer and all the investigations I've had done suggest his discomfort is longstanding or at least not brand new.
You don't get adhesions and grooves in teeth overnight.
However I appreciate its difficult to prove and will seek legal advice re how to proceed.
I do have evidence that lies were told.

 

[HobleytheTB]

Was he scoped for ulcers or just given medication? All the horses I've known with ulcers have needed longer than a month to clear them, several needed to switch from oral omeprazole to injections, some needed Misoprostal if glandular ulcers present etc etc. Not saying it's definitely ulcers, but I wouldn't rule them out without scoping!

 

[Debsflo1]

Not scoped but having discussed with vet., si needs to be treated first as he's been compensating with his body.
Ulcers are under review

 

[ycbm]

Mild right hind lameness where no cause can be found is often a gut issue not a joint or tendon issue. If the diagnosis is, as it sounds, entirely from the fact that the horse is 1/10 lame to the right on a circle and no other finding, then I would want to consider gut health as the cause, it would explain all the behaviour.
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[Debsflo1]

I would expect to .see improvement though after a month as he's been on treatment dose.
Physio found tight hip flexor and adhesions otherwise I would agree sounds like ulcers alone.
Problem with ulcers in my experience they are secondary.
I suspect he's gradually unravelling with issues and trying to sort one at a time.
I do think all his ussues are linked but it's finding the root cause and I do still feel we've inherited the issues.
Wish we had acted straightaway but wanted to allow for change of home etc

 

[Debsflo1]

I do have instructors that can vouch for behaviour as well and a list of people who have seen him for us.
Would that help

 

[ycbm]

I would expect to .see improvement though after a month as he's been on treatment dose.
Physio found tight hip flexor and adhesions otherwise I would agree sounds like ulcers alone.
Problem with ulcers in my experience they are secondary.
I suspect he's gradually unravelling with issues and trying to sort one at a time.
I do think all his ussues are linked but it's finding the root cause and I do still feel we've inherited the issues.
Wish we had acted straightaway but wanted to allow for change of home etc

I'm not talking just about ulcers, but if I was I know a horse that took 3 courses to resolve and was then permanently on sucralfate. The liver can also cause right hand leg lameness and any form of irritation of the gut - allergy, spring grass, ibs type issue ..
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[Debsflo1]

Yes I agree my other horse has had ulcers and is grass affected.
I guess it's a process of time ,elimination and speak to dealer.
If we can't return we will medicate and rehab but wasn't looking to rehab a new horse..