Young horse spooking at XC jumps from a distance

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I have a 5 year old who I’m trying to produce for low level eventing (BE90/100). He’s got all the attributes to do this well and I believe I can overcome this issue we are having but just looking for some approaches that I’ve maybe not thought of!

Firstly I’d like to mention that he is an absolute saint when it comes to showjumping and XC schooling, I’ve shown him all the scariest fillers, planks, water trays etc and he does not care at all! XC schooling he is fine too because generally we will warm up around the jumps so he has time to assess what’s in the field. He only has this problem when going into “unknown territory” and when he can’t see the jump in advance… (e.g a competition, or farm ride where the jumps are more spread out).

Basically what happens is he starts spooking and backing off about 10 strides out from any new obstacle - it’s almost like because he can’t quite see it up close yet he starts freaking out thinking it’s some weird object going to eat him. He grinds to a stop, eyes on stalks and threatens to spin and run off. We usually end up walking reluctantly towards it until he’s close enough to realise it’s a jump, where I pretty much hear him go “ohhh it’s just a jump, ok then!” and then depending where we are, we can jump it from a couple strides out, but most times we’ve lost all momentum/impulsion so we have to re-present and then he’s fine.

It essentially comes down to him not being brave enough yet to canter (or even trot) up to unfamiliar obstacles in open spaces, assess and jump them first time. It’s like he has to always “investigate” first and then he will jump it no problem. But obviously this is no good in a competition setting - I can’t physically make sure I’ve jumped every jump beforehand ?.

I’ve tried having a lead but he’s a very independent horse who doesn’t seem to really care what other horses are doing around him so it doesn’t make much difference.

So far all I can come up with is:

- just continue taking him to as many places as possible and just trot him confidently into new fields, through woods etc and expose him to loads of different jump types
- fun rides, he’s actually ok on fun rides because the jumps tend to be a bit more overgrown and less “stark” if that makes sense
- doing some small hunter trials and just miss out the scarier jumps (of course I will technically get eliminated but low key ones tend to allow you to continue regardless). My thinking here is I’d rather attempt half of the jumps and go “clear” than have a load of sticky jumps and stops. I’d rather him get into the habit of at least finishing/seeing the whole course
- take him hunting, this is an obvious one and I do plan on finding some meets this winter

Essentially I’d like to hear some ideas or maybe some success stories of horses like this who turned out okay - am I over reacting? Is this just normal green/young horse behaviour? Or is he destined to be a show jumper ?

Maybe I’m expecting too much of him too soon. I think I just get disheartened because I see all these pros taking their 4/5yos round BE events and going clear first time with these seemingly bold as brass horses ?
 

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Hi, i think first thing is to stop comparing yourself to the pros who seem to have 5 year olds super established. Each horse develops at its own pace. And 5 is still very young for a horse to take on an xc course on its own.
I have a just turned 6 year old who sounds v similar to yours.
She literally has only started to feel mature enough on the flat this week.
i am doubtful she will be brave enough to event, although i will continue to produce her with the hope she will one day when her confidence improves.
I intend to get her out on a few quiet days with the hounds and if and on every fun ride going this autumn. She has followed round a few xc schools and is fine with a lead. Even may take her to some smaller team chases.
I will just keep her having as much fun as possible in the hope the penny drops and it becomes her idea to love xc at some point. But i have no timescale on it.
Good luck. Xx
 

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He’s not ready to compete so knock that on the head!

This will be repetition. Small stuff. Approach in walk from a distance, jog trot and pop until he is locking onto ‘new’ fences. Then progress to a trot approach. Then canter.

Warm up away from the fences so that all fences he sees are ‘new’ and make sure you strong a few together. Walking in between, jog & pop. Walk.

One I had that was unconfident initially I sent to a pro who was based at a Xc facility. The horse did a bit of work and then did 10-15 mins of Xc every single day. 10 days later issue solved.
 

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[QUOTE="ihatework,

One I had that was unconfident initially I sent to a pro who was based at a Xc facility. The horse did a bit of work and then did 10-15 mins of Xc every single day. 10 days later issue solved.[/QUOTE]

Good tip. Thankyou IHW. X
 

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With our youngsters we would often hire a xc course and take them round the first time , in trot of canter , following the course as closely as possible without actually jumping anything . May need to do that a few times , and then once they were cantering round calmly we would jump round . Another option is to do the whole course in walk , preferably on a longish rein , except for the actual jumps obvs ! Walk immediately after each jump and if he starts spooking at the next jump in the distance stay relaxed and take a slightly meandering route towards it., almost as though you're out hacking . The point is to get him thinking forward rather than the freeze or flight response so ambling along in walk is hugely preferable to stopping of running backwards ! Don't fret about it , he's only young and trying to work stuff out !
 

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Well, youre doing better than I did with a young warmblood I bought to event ?
I couldn't get him within 20m of any brown fence, ever!
He show jumped - jumped absolutely anything, and would eventually happily school over 4'6 .
But I never managed to get him over a log on the floor.
He ended up doing dressage - he loved it and retired after competing at Intermediare I.
 

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Well, youre doing better than I did with a young warmblood I bought to event ?
I couldn't get him within 20m of any brown fence, ever!
He show jumped - jumped absolutely anything, and would eventually happily school over 4'6 .
But I never managed to get him over a log on the floor.
He ended up doing dressage - he loved it and retired after competing at Intermediare I.

This has made me feel much better. DP is WB dressage bred and is exactly the same.He doesn’t enjoy leaving the ground that much anyway but fun rides are quite amusing as he half passes beautifully around every single jump no matter how small.
 

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You’ve basically described mine.

I took him to a camp so we could do a lot of XC in a short amount of time. Similar to IHWs approach. Mine actually ended up being lunged through some things that he said were especially dreadful (dropping into water).

I *think* we’re through it now. XC Schooling has been successful. So I’ve entered him for an 80cm ODE. Hoping what we’ve done translates through to competition. He’s certainly feeling much bolder whilst out and about.

If it hasn’t then my plan is to Team Chase and/or Hunt him. But I’ll need my brave pants on as he will find that very exciting ?
 

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Thanks for the responses ?. I’m well aware he’s not ready to compete, as in be competitive, I’m just wondering whether it was worth getting him used to that sort of environment even if it is just to canter round, but perhaps I will leave that for now.

I’ve thought about taking him to a pro - but have Googled/Facebook searched and such individuals seem very elusive around here - I’m Yorkshire based if anyone knows anyone?!

I think generally there is hope - he’s actually very good, once he’s been near enough to a jump to see it, he will jump it without hesitation first time. He’s not bothered by the type of jump, steps, water, ditches etc. It’s just the confidence to get up near to it faster than a walk lol ?.

I like the idea of cantering past, or ambling around a course, walking in between. I feel like that might give him time to assess the situation.
 

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Have you tried lunging him over the fences? That way you can push him on from behind but he has plenty of time to suss it out and jump more confidently without a rider x
 

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Have you tried lunging him over the fences? That way you can push him on from behind but he has plenty of time to suss it out and jump more confidently without a rider x

I haven’t tried no. Running between jumps with him would be a sight to watch though ?.
 

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He’s not ready to compete so knock that on the head!

This will be repetition. Small stuff. Approach in walk from a distance, jog trot and pop until he is locking onto ‘new’ fences. Then progress to a trot approach. Then canter.

Warm up away from the fences so that all fences he sees are ‘new’ and make sure you strong a few together. Walking in between, jog & pop. Walk.

One I had that was unconfident initially I sent to a pro who was based at a Xc facility. The horse did a bit of work and then did 10-15 mins of Xc every single day. 10 days later issue solved.

Exactly this. You are setting the horse up to fail if you attempt anything competitive at this stage. Less bold horses often take longer to gain confidence with XC fences so you need to keep training as often as possible until he is happy and relaxed and has a positive enough attitude to approach any jump without backing off. As with most things with young horses, repetition and positive outcomes from short training sessions should overcome this issue.
 

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I haven’t tried no. Running between jumps with him would be a sight to watch though ?.
Its not quite like that!! Lots of pros do it now to gain a youngsters confidence whilst not having to worry about a rider. Jump one jump get going confidently then a nice walk between jumps then repeat over next jump! No running required!
 

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Its not quite like that!! Lots of pros do it now to gain a youngsters confidence whilst not having to worry about a rider. Jump one jump get going confidently then a nice walk between jumps then repeat over next jump! No running required!

Oh I see, he’s usually fine if I walk between the jumps as he has time to see the jump, it’s only if I try and trot or canter towards something “new”. But maybe it’s worth a try! ?
 

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Exactly this. You are setting the horse up to fail if you attempt anything competitive at this stage. Less bold horses often take longer to gain confidence with XC fences so you need to keep training as often as possible until he is happy and relaxed and has a positive enough attitude to approach any jump without backing off. As with most things with young horses, repetition and positive outcomes from short training sessions should overcome this issue.

Yeah I totally understand this ?. I might have miscommunicated but just wanted to clarify I haven’t actually attempted any XC competitions on him yet. I was just hypothesising that how he is currently would obviously be no use in a competition environment. And that maybe trying some low key Hunter trials would be a good opportunity to “school” him.

At the moment it’s frustrating because I could hypothetically take him somewhere every day and get some short repetition/practice in but I’m somewhat limited to when my other half (non horsey) is available and whilst he likes the walk he gets grumpy about the waiting around parts lol ??.
 

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All of your suggestions are ideal. This is totally normal young horse behvaiour.
But- also think about how you are riding it. You need to ride him into it, without rushing him, and without dropping your reins. If you video yourself , do you just die forward without keeping hold of the front end? If you focus on cantering positively towards the jjump, you need strong leg and possibly strong hand initially (and even - for some young horses who are backing off and won't go forward off the leg schooling with a schooling whip to tap them up can be helpful) to break the cycleof OMG I need to see this.
Equally you need to balance that with trotting around and letting them see new things- lots and lots of relaxed outings over tiny obstacles to let them know that trotting through 'new' holes in the hedge etc is fun. But you need to keep them forward. A lesson with a pro may help?
 

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Thank you everyone for your responses :). I have weighed up all my options and have actually decided to send him to a pro (4* eventer) who has XC facilities at their yard so he can do a small bit of XC after every ride for a few weeks. I definitely agree that repetition is the answer - I'm hoping that if XC and seeing "new" jumps in a field just becomes a normal part of his routine, he'll soon realise it's fun (because he does find it fun once he gets going!) and hopefully get a bit more bold. It's going to be a fair investment but I hope worth it in the long run, I guess I've just accepted that I don't have the time/logistics/facilities to do what I need to do with him right now and there's no point sporadically trying to sort this issue out when it's probably something that a pro can resolve fairly quickly/easily! They also have lots of other horses working all the time so have asked if they can practice getting him going away from other horses (kind of simulating a competition environment) as a bonus! He's going in the next couple of weeks so I'm really excited to see what happens :D.
 
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