Youngster woes (another long one from me sorry)

FinkleyAlex

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So I've had my 2yo (officially 2 years and 6 weeks!) for coming up to two months now - we have had ups and downs but I've been SO pleased with his progress, especially picking up his feet which he does perfectly. He leads nicely, has good manners generally, ties up and picks feet up etc. He lives out 24/7 in a double field ie. two fields conjoined with the gate in the fencing separating them left open, with a bay mare who arrived a week before him, and then a shetland. Bay mares owner is the AWOL type, though she is apparently leaving in a week to be covered (I'm sceptical this will happen given his AWOLness!). I lead my boy across the field to the far side which has an enclosed section where he gets his dinner and has his feet picked out before joining the rest of the herd.

He formed a strong friendship with the bay mare from the start, and its gotten to the point where if I lead him to the enclosed section she will follow all the way and wait outside for him to rejoin her. If she gets bored and strays away from the gate where she waits for him, then my 2yo starts to get a little nervy. If I try leading him around the field she follows him then too, with the shetland eventually trailing after.

I had a horrible situation today - all three ponies have been sectioned into one half of the fields (the nearside, out of sight of the enclosure), the other is resting for another lady who brings her horses there for a month or two in summer to rest her field. I led mine out of the nearside field, leaving the bay mare and shetland behind, then walked him across the resting field to my enclosure to give him his grub. Bay mare went BONKERS screaming and running up and down the fence dividing the two fields. This set my 2yo off neighing back and being a bit of an arse, but I had him walking nicely and then all of a sudden he was on two legs rearing and flaying the front two at me! I gave a sharp tug and a big NO and down he got (giving him the benefit of the doubt as he's never done that before) and got to the enclosure. He had a few mouthfuls but was too worried to eat, and I didn't want to wind him up more so when he was calm he was walked nicely back to the other field - once he was in they were both fine.

My dilemma is that he needs to be separated to be fed (he does not do well off the grass alone). These are my only options at the moment:

1) continue walking 2yo across the farside field, out of the sight of bay mare and giving feed in the enclosure where my feed room is, and correct any bad behaviour whilst hoping he doesn't really turn nutty without her.

2) take him out of their field, into the farside field and feed just on the other side of the fence where he can see bay mare (until the other ladies horses come for their summer holiday, whereby that field will be in use). I'm not sure if this would just be enabling his behaviour as he'll never learn to be apart from her?

A teenager down the road says she has seen my 2yo try to suckle from the bay mare (who i'm guessing has been a broodie before given her AWOL owner's status as breeder). I don't know if she genuinely thinks he's her foal or something but their separation anxiety is obviously more of a problem then I ever realised before. How do I try and get this under control until the bay mare eventually leaves? (and I will genuinely not sleep the night before she does as 2yo will not take it well!).

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Sounds like he thinks she is dam & vice versa. You may have to re-wean him & put him in with a maiden mare who wont allow him to try & suckle (or gelding).
 
Oh what a nightmare - I only have those two fields (as I rent them from the field owner) so can't move him anywhere else without trying to get a lorry up my dead end narrow road and probably having a hellish loading session given he's only travelled once (perfectly) but will not want to leave the bay mare and its likely to ruin his loading experience.

I suppose one option could be to ask the lady moving into one half of the field if he could go out with her horses but they are shod and a bond pair themselves and he's a complete pansy/bottom of the herd so I think they'd terrorise him.

Hoping and praying the bay mare gets removed soon - if she doesn't then I guess I'll have to leave and pay silly money a week for grass livery around us.
 
That sort of behaviour is quite normal. You coped well and he walked back to his pals ok. I would just continue to do this each day (wear a hat) lead him out, take no nonsense, give him his feed and when he is quiet, lead him back. It's just something new and all part of his education. Once he understands that he comes out for his feed and goes back, he will settle to his new routine, you can make the periods of separation longer each day.
 
Agree with elderly. Annoying as hell but it's all a part of the education. I'm lucky in that all my young ones learn from early on some leave the herd at various times and return. So when it's the young ones turn to start work they haven't had issues. I have a 2 YO as well and I've had her in on her own, take her out of the field for a brush or walk away from the others. If she were to give me gyp she'd just have to get over it. I don't have time for temper tantrums.

We have 3 breakers in at the moment and for each set the 2 YO walks on over to where these are working and just hangs out watching. She thinks this is all very interesting.

Now having said all this to you the other mare is making things more difficult than it should be as she's quite clingy. But since this isn't your herd it's difficult to remedy the situation in an easy way and I don't have advice for that. You should continue on and definitely wear a helmet. Even the best behaved babies sometimes forget their manners. Just stay consistent and firm and rewarding too. Sounds easy doesn't it! Not so much in practice.

Terri
 
Thanks everyone - I'd been so pleased with him as it was hard work getting him to leave the herd to come in to the enclosure itself initially but we got through that, now I guess I just need to teach him to be comfortable with going out of sight from the bay mare (he couldn't give a damn about the shetland!).

He was living in and only out during the day at his breeders before he came to me two months ago, so I suppose he's never had to deal with leaving the a heard properly before.
 
That sort of behaviour is quite normal. You coped well and he walked back to his pals ok. I would just continue to do this each day (wear a hat) lead him out, take no nonsense, give him his feed and when he is quiet, lead him back. It's just something new and all part of his education. Once he understands that he comes out for his feed and goes back, he will settle to his new routine, you can make the periods of separation longer each day.

^ Agree. :)
 
I have a similar issues with my just 2yr old!

We are also in a small herd, my 27yr old mare and 2 shetties! He is fine when I bring him in on his own but can be a right s*it if my mare is callling him! Today I moved them to a different field, so had him eating his dinner and went to get my mare, left her on the yard and "walked" him up to the other field! he got totally wound up as soon as my mare was coming up the lane and spent the whole walk upto the field rearing up then when mental around the field, grunting! as soon as my mare was back with him he was fine!

but other times he will rear up at the gate as im trying to get her into the field! its so stressful, but hopefully it will help when the other horses arrive so that they don't have to be so clingy with each other! fingers x'd!

I'm hoping things will get better when my friends mare comes back in July so we have a bigger herd!
 
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