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Hi all,

We've recently had to have both our horses put to sleep, which has been a massive loss and miss them so much every day. I can't imagine replacing either of them, but desperately miss having horses so have started to look around to see what's currently for sale.

I've come across this chap and thought he looks lovely, thought he was quite expensive though, any thoughts on him anyone?

http://www.horsequest.co.uk/advertisment/62469
 
Looks very smart at first glance. But very straight through the hocks. However I'm looking via my phone, so pic maybe too small to give a clear view.
 
I think with any coloured horse you are always paying a premium for their colour. He looks nice enough chap and I don't think the price is too unreasonable and they do say negotiable so if he is your sort I would say worth a look :) We all have different tastes he wouldn't be my pick as I don't really do coloureds or warmbloods! However I don't think he is badly priced if that is your type
 
Amymay is right, very straight in the back legs. It didn't stop Party Politics from jumping the Grand National but in my opinion there are much better put together horses with much nicer movement available at the moment for that price. He looks more like a £3,500 to £4,000 horse to me no matter what his breeding is.

If you want to do dressage on him I think the lack of hind flexion is going to lose a lot of points, because of the lack of activity, hock bend, and the impression that it gives that horses with a leg like that are on their forehand even if they aren't.

I would not put too much store by him winning showing as a 2 year old. My friend has a horse graded first premium as a youngster who has grown into a long backed, downhill horse with straight back legs and over-long pasterns who can't hold a canter transition at 6, so I don't think it means that much.
 
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Agree with the 3,500 - 4000 price range. He looks like a nice enough horse, but doesn't have a lot of presence or wow about him in the video.

If he was older and had some kind of proven competition form i'd definitely pay 6000.
 
Thank you for your thoughts, I can see what you mean about being straight in his back legs, I was thinking no more than £4,000.

Really appreciate your thoughts everyone! :-)
 
Depends what you want him for, but I would want to see something be a little neater in front over a fence. Can't comment on conformation as not my forte, but he does seem a lot of money. Worth a look though! Keep us posted :)
 
I agree re his hind end, I thought he looked a bit stiff but I think the other posters are correct, it's his conformation.

I do really like him however and how nice to see a decent sale video.
 
I agree with everything above but think he is worth the money or near enough because he looks to be sane, sensible and well produced without being over produced, he would be ideal, on paper at least, for a keen amateur or PC home, the type of horse that is actually hard to find when you really want one.

I dont think he will set the world on fire but someone should have great fun with him.
 
I know he is a 4yro but he is working very downhill in the video in all paces and looks very flatfooted off the ground when he is jumping.

Pricewise, I think around £5k because of his colour and he looks an easy ride from the video but I if I was paying £5k for a 4yro at this time of year, I'd want something a bit more athletic and scopey.

Depends what you are looking for and what you want him to do though?
 
i also think he's expensive

i looked at the pics and read the bit about his breeding etc and was then disappointed with his movement in the video ,with his breeding i was expecting to go wow but didn't :o
he is as already said a bit dangly with his front legs although that will prob improve with schooling
i really like him though as he is my cup of T :D has lovely markings and looks to have been well produced , he looks like he would make a very smart RC horse but for that amount of money i'd have wanted to have gone "wow"

i was horse shopping for my friend a few months ago and came across two young colored horses very similar to that (ish by "the artist" ) and they were £3500 each although they were not quite as "polished" in the way they were shown to us ie they had hunted/hacked and popped a few showjumps but jockey was not so good on the flat so they didn't look as tidy
 
I'm looking for a nice all rounder. Looking to do a RC one day events, bit of dressage, XC, that sort of thing.

We aren't really looking spending any more than £4,000. Have been looking on Horsequest, horsemart and horse and hound, but just saw this one and quite liked him.
 
Price wise, that's negotiable.

He does look stiff but he's a baby and don't big warm bloods mature later? His head s a bit to common looking and he doesn't have wow. He could be an ugly duckling and if the video is anything to go by, he's a genuine and giving type which is worth a fortune.

Anyway, it's the keeping of them that breaks the bank, not the buying:eek:

If you like him, go see him he could be just what you need.
 
I think he looks to be a nice type that has been well produced and started and actually think his video is very grown up! Think he looks like he will finish bigger than 16.1 as well. He isn't "sitting" on his hocks but tbh, I would be surprised if a baby could. Most 4 year olds are doing well if they can hold themselves in a canter around the school. I would go and look at him, and see if the back end is just baby or confirmation.

Nice touch with the hatcam too though and showing the horse loading!
 
I quite like him as a RC all rounder I must say! He would probably be a sparkler 5/6 year old than as a 4 year old. And what a brilliant sales video, the hat cam at the end is great.
 
Just adding my humble opinion here....

I think he's really cute too, I share the OP's enthusiasm for him :)
The video is superb, I love that they've shown him in walk, trot, canter, jumping, being ridden on a long loose rein. Very cool with the helmet cam - they've shown he's an absolute star in traffic, not bothered by cars, and also he's a little peach to load :) And, he's good looking :) .. I also love his multi-coloured tail, you don't get those every day :)

Given that he's 4, he will be on the forehand, and not able to keep a contact, and will be wobbly....that's not his quality, that's his age. It's normal. I think that given some correct training, in a couple of years, he's going to look amazing. Even in a year's time, I think he will transform. The important thing is, he has the right temperament.

Now, for the price, I agree with the others that he's a wee bit overpriced. Especially for a home bred horse, by not so well known Polish stallion.... ads when they first go up are always a bit representative of what the seller wants, rather than what the horse is realistically worth. I think given his breeding, and age, and level of training etc, he'd be a great bargain at £4,500. If you got him for £5K, I think it would be reasonable. Especially given that he has a very good temperament for a youngster. I can imagine that if you had cash on offer for a quick sale, they'd be open to offers around £5K (subject to vetting).

Just my two cents worth...

He's lovely, and definitely you should go visit him :)
 
I would second the comments re the hind end. I wouldn't go near a horse that straight behind for soundness issues when the real work kicks in, but I suppose everyone has their own preferences for confirmation.
On the other hand he is a willing looking chap.
 
amymay said:
Looks very smart at first glance. But very straight through the hocks. However I'm looking via my phone, so pic maybe too small to give a clear view.
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Just had a proper look on my computer, and my opinion is the same. I've also watched the video.

Shame, beautifully produced, and the video is great. His conformation and movement let the whole thing down though.

As for the price :eek:

Having said that, for all the wrong reasons, I really like him - but wouldn't part with any money for him:(
 
What a nice well produced young horse. It seems you are dammed if you do dammed if you dont regarding riding a horse in a more advanced fashion and he could very easily look very smart but surely that can be seen without doing so. Temperment is so important in producing a horse and he seems to have it in bundles. Price as far as I am concerned is there to be negotiated and as far as conformation is concerned he is not bad and wear and tear are the biggest culprits in lameness issues at that often comes down to how much work you have to put into them- milege. Go look at the horse in the flesh would be my advise.
 
so agree with Maestro. You can't judge him against a more mature horse, he will change so much. I think he is remarkably mature for a 4 year old and balanced so would look. At various times with my 5 year old, he has been croup high so right on his forehand, balanced, unbalanced, right on his hocks and almost overtaking his front end...Finally seems to be evening out..
 
Nice looking horse, but didn't have the wow paces I was expecting. I still think he's worth a look, you can judge his hind leg conformation better in the flesh and if you don't see him and at least rule him out you'll always wonder "what if".
 
Luci07 said:
so agree with Maestro. You can't judge him against a more mature horse, he will change so much. I think he is remarkably mature for a 4 year old and balanced so would look. At various times with my 5 year old, he has been croup high so right on his forehand, balanced, unbalanced, right on his hocks and almost overtaking his front end...Finally seems to be evening out..
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I'm not sure anyone has 'judged' him against a mature horse, though.

He is mature and balanced, I absolutely agree. And you can't take away from the fact that he has been beautifully produced.

However, his conformation is questionable, and his paces subsequently disappointing. His hind legs won't, unfortunately change as he gets older.
 
First impression was that he moves like a pony. However, what he lacks in perfect confo. and movement could well be compensated for by having a good temperament, a willingness to learn and a safe & sensible ride.

I would say £4,000 rather than £6,000, but I would go with your gut instinct if you see him. At the end of the day, he's worth what anyone is willing to pay!
 
I love this place for valuing horses! If its nicely produced, with a good temperament and good looking, 6k is not a bad price. I think they could drop the price a small amount, but they know that, hence saying negotiable. Is go and see it, the best ad won't sell a horse to you, seeing it will. FWIW my coloured horse was straight behind, and had great movement...
 
What your buying there is a nice looking horse with a good temprement that has been nicely started. That holds a lot of value for many people.

I agree with comments relating to his hind end and subsequent lack of ability to push correctly. I wouldn't risk purchase for anything more than RC to be honest due to that.

Is he overpriced? IMO possibly, but it depends on what is important to the individual purchaser.
 
As KatB has said it's easy to devalue a horse on here! Horse looks to have been beautifully produced, as has been said he is straight behind so not great, but there are worse problems.

Before you think he's overpriced though, have you actually been out and seen/ridden any for sale for real yet? I've looked at a lot of 4 and 5 yr olds recently and judging by what I've seen that is a very fair price indeed for a well produced youngster assuming he's as straight forward as he looks. You'd be looking at paying quite a lot more for the "wow factor".

People don't seem willing to pay for the production of a good horse any more. These bargains seem to be very elusive, and I think it is especially true looking at the youngster market and this is the market that truly has potential and that is what you're paying for. As an older horse he'd either be worth a lot more as has proved himself or a lot less as he might have done the opposite! It's always a gamble with a four year old. And personally I would say that correct start in life does count for a lot and does add value.
 
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