your views on equine dentistry industry please

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Just interested on what anyone is actually aware of within the equine dentistry industry. do you really care who is qualified and who is not. Wondering how far we can go on this subject and how shocked are you prepared to be when given some facts.
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I asked my vet for a number, because I know they do clinics, and being a vet they would use a good dentist. I was warned by a friend of a friend that a lot of dentists have no qualifications. So to ring the vet was the best way.
I know nothing of dentists
Nickie
 
main concern of mine is that because fliss needs sedating else she will be a ding i dont like that fact that some dentists are willing to sedate the horse which as far as i'm aware is illegal so for this reason i get my vet to do her teeth as i know he can sedate her as safely as poss!!!
 
We don't go to see the doctor if we've got a broken tooth etc we go to a dentist, then why do some call a vet when their horse has a dental problem. Vets seem to have realised that there is considerable money to be made by doing dentistry so they go off on a quick course & the practise buys the tools & off they go rasping teeth. I'm not saying all vets are poor but I've seen the horrible mess that some have made.

I have used the same 'dental technician' for many years. He doesn't have letters after his name, he hasn't been to college, he's just been looking after horses teeth for many years & knows what he's doing. He has never claimed to have recognised qualifications, he just has years of experience & I am very happy with him.

It seems that in todays world everyone is obsessed with qualifications, everyone is qualified to this that & the other but very few have experience & I'll take experience everytime. Sorry to bang on but I feel strongly about it.
 
I will use my vet for my new horse.

Ted was done by a friend of mine who was a qualified equine dental tech, As he was a gem to do, really no hassle.

New horse is going to need sedation, I dont trust oral sedative, so vet will be doing teeth for safety..

Lou x
 
ok flissy....so here you have a real dillema. The truth is your horse doesnt need to be sedated for routine treatment if it is conducted in a way that she feels comfortable with. (98 %) of my clients horses are treated unsedated...but thats just my way of doing things). It is true.....only a vet is allowed to posses and administer certian drugs and sedatives are amongst them. Any non-veterinary equine dental practitioner who sedates horses is doing so illegally and is not covered by any insurance they MAY have for any possible complicatins arising from such an act. Also the owners insurance does not cover them in such an event.
The next dillema you have is that, yes, your vet can sedate....but are they completing the treatment to the required standard. Vets are only "qualified" to carry out equine dental treatments in the same guise that your Gp is to do human dental treatment.....doesnt mean that they have been EXAMINED and approved by leading experts in this particular Science. If they havnt passed the "Industry standard exam" they havnt been assessed THOROUGHLY and wont be working to the same standard as those who have. Thats why an exam exists....to ensure that all those who go through the process are all working to the same INDUSTRY APPROVED STANDARD.....and not just some standard made up by an individual to suit themselves.

There are only a very small number of vets who have passed the BEVA exam ....there are lots who have done a short course on equine dentistry....as there are a huge number of non-vet equine dental practitioners who have attended short courses.......but who examines the standard of individuals at the end of the courses....when the courses are over.....the atendees go out and "PRACTISE" on YOUR horses....shocking.
 
vets do 11 days training on teeth and only 2 of them on horses teeth, there is no recognised qualifications for equine dentists here in the uk anyone can legally pick up or buy equipment and start doing it, there is only 2 organisations to look at for qualified dentists and only 1 of them has a commited training scedule and entrance exam,they are w.w.a.e.d and b.e.v.a
yet still the people on these lists are not qualified as no formal recognised qualification exists.
 
well said TOBY. Sadly, the driving force behind most vet practices who are now pushing their equine dental services harder than ever....is MONEY....totally agree with your views here. And vets are only "qualified to do equine dental treatments in the same guise as a GP is to do the human equivalent......they may have all the gear...but can they use if properly. How many vets do you think have actually been " bothered" to have their knowledge and skill put to the test and gone on to sit the "INDUSTRY STANDARD" exam (the same number of fingers you have would be pretty near to the answer.....and thats for the WHOLE country). But the same can be said of non veterinary practitioners too. Less than a hundred have passed the exam.......several hundreds havnt but are still taking your money.

On "qualifications" the point is all about STANDARD of work and how much or how little is required and how it should be effected with the horse as paramount. What does your dentist have to fear by not sitting the exam??? how can he/she be aware of what is required in this EVER advancing science if he she hasnt taken the exam. If he /she has several years of experience and gained a wealth of knowledge and honed their skill over such a time....he/she should sail through the exam no bother.....right??

Why shouldnt every single equine dental practitioner be carrying out the same treatment for every dental problem. Why shouldnt they ALL be able to exaxctly diagnose a problem correctly. there is a limit to how much you can learn when self taught and when you are only being assessed and examined by yourself you are often shocked at how "behind the times" you are.
 
I'd be very carefull about what you are saying on here CHRISNAPTHINE and check your fact thoroughly before you post them. You are not a member of the BAEDT and are probably not aware of what qualifications are "recognised or not"....just be carefull.
 
did i saythe baedt? no i did not so please stop slagging me of of or trying to and explain who you are what exams you have passed and what training you are doing to continually improve your skills
 
im perfectly aware of what exams are recognised thankyou but the fact is equine dentista are still classed as lay people not profesionals(fact) and i said w.w.a.e.d so try getting some glasses please then appologise for your mistake and then maybe say who you are as im always pleased to meet experienced dentists who know everything
 
no it is not they are 2 similar organisations running a exam to the same standards the beva exam is defra recognised as is the wwaed this is fact,beva is only an organisation as is the wwaed.if you dont belive me check the web site ect
 
The WWAED is an independent
Association of Equine Dentists
with DEFRA and RCVS Approval
We are the only dentist association in the UK that have DEFRA and RCVS approval to hold Level 2 Exemption Examinations

taken from the web site victoria.they are both the same exam
 
Yes and BEVA is an independant association of the Equine Veterinary profession as a whole......including EDTs......NOT just EDTs. BEVA exam is also twinned with the British Veterinary Dental Association as a whole.
 
I am not disputing the facts but it is a personal opinion and I know which one i would rather be linked to..........There are some 70 BEVA qualified EDTs and what some 15 members of the WWAED.......to me (again a personal opinion) that says it all.
 
yes and the wwaed exam is also the only one approved by the rcvs.the only one where its members have to keep up set standards and attend training,anyway it matters not at leats we are on the same page i.e trying to achive the best for horses and clients,i just get my back up when people slag me of for no goord reason knowing nothing about me or what im also trying to achive, there is also massive misconceptions with regards to training in the usa as i stated earlier there is only 6 certified edts in the uk from the academy.the rest have either not reached that stage or went on a cpl of courses and never returned yet still trade on the fact that there qualified.a good friend of myn and someone who is fast becoming my mentor is one of these 6 also he has taken the wwaed level 2 exam as he said it was in his opinion a farier and slightly more difficult exam to pass.
 
and to end this if anyone wants the complete facts on this then please visit paul waudbys web site as he has it explained exeptionally well with all the facts laid down
 
oh and you have to be BEVA qualified to be a member of the BAEDT. BAEDT is an organisation for professional EDTs which gives some regluation to the industry and allows all members clientel to voice concern about dental work carried out (if necessary) who can then liase with BEVA and effectively get the EDT struck off if they do not perform to the performance guidlines.
 
I also get my back up and i think everyone on here would back me up when I say that i dont enter into any of the slanging matches on here.
As I said over again.......I am not disputing the facts, it is just a personal opinion.
 
il get steve good the secretary to come on here and explain the facts as he knows far more than me.one of the reasons for the fewer members on the wwaed is there strict membership criteria(spelling) and tougher stance on training and exams. yet as i said they are still the only 2 recognised bodies for equine dentistry in the uk.anyone on either of these lists is at least trying to achive some sort of standard unlike a lot of the others whom dont seem to care
 
no i am not as im awaiting the wwaed to to sit the next exams. im not saying you no nothing at all im saying that the 2 organisations run competative exams to achive the same end result yet not one of these is officially recognised.so am i having a go at you? no i am not im stating facts that is all,they are there in plain english for all too see,i may not have taken the level 2 yet but only as they havent sat one for 2 years now,yet im still learning and will continue to train for the rest of my time. as new practises and techinques will always be developing and i intend to make these available to me.i will not just take the exam then expect that i now know everything and have no need to do any sort of re training. as in the usa if you do not attend for 1 year then any staus you had is lost,so please explain to me what i have said wrong or lied about? why have you taken it upon yourself to belittle me? do you intend to keep re training? are you going to try to get certified in the usa? fair questions im asking and no meant to offend in any way.
 
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