Yumove or something better?

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Lurcher starting to feel her seven and a half years. Any recommendations other than yumove? Used it before and it’s been a while. She’s done the odd little yelp last couple of days. Not lame but definitely stiff.
 
I recently started my two, 14.5 and 8.5 collies on Collagen. They have both been on joint supplements all their lives as a preventative and have done well but have been amazed at the difference collagen has made. The old girl has a new lease of life and they both have much better coats. Started taking it myself now.
 
Errin Paddywack said:
I recently started my two, 14.5 and 8.5 collies on Collagen. They have both been on joint supplements all their lives as a preventative and have done well but have been amazed at the difference collagen has made. The old girl has a new lease of life and they both have much better coats. Started taking it myself now.
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What collagen supplement are you feeding to the dogs?
 
I have gone from Yumove 360 to Riaflex Joint Plus HA - so far, so good.

Riaflex do a hydrolysed collagen and UC II collagen as an alternative to Joint Plus HA. I am keeping that option up my sleeve.
 
Archangel said:
I have gone from Yumove 360 to Riaflex Joint Plus HA - so far, so good.

Riaflex do a hydrolysed collagen and UC II collagen as an alternative to Joint Plus HA. I am keeping that option up my sleeve.
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Is riaflex offering something different or is it cheaper or both?
 
Clodagh said:
If she’s in enough pain to yelp the joint supp ship has sailed, she needs proper meds.
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She had a particularly energetic walk last Thursday. Think she may have a sprain or strain. She’s not yelping all the time or indeed often. She had some pain relief on Friday. She will go to the vet if it continues. She’s not lame.
 
This will come as absolutely no surprise to anyone who has read my threads about Ivy but I agree with @Clodagh - it seems time to check in with a vet.

I'm not sure how you're defining 'lame' vs. 'stiff' but at no point has Ivy been on three legs or hopping (unless she has something stuck between her toes, very quickly remedied). That doesn't mean she hasn't been in significant amounts of pain at various points.

I would wonder if the stiffness and the possible injury last week could be connected. I would also wonder, if there has been an injury, what it was and the recovery time for it. Ivy has had psoas injury twice which is not quick rehab, easily re-injured, and required more than one day of pain relief (most part of a week to really notice a difference). It presented mainly as stiffness but it is a painful injury for them.
 
Just to confirm she is not lame or stiff. She’s a Lurcher low pain threshold. She slept comfortably all night and had just returned from a 50 minute lead only walk. She is happy and well. I’m doing my best to keep her that way.
 
pistolpete said:
Just to confirm she is not lame or stiff. She’s a Lurcher low pain threshold. She slept comfortably all night and had just returned from a 50 minute lead only walk. She is happy and well. I’m doing my best to keep her that way.
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Your OP yesterday says she is/was 'not lame but definitely stiff'?

I'm not questioning you are aiming to do your best for her but I do question whether 'best' at this stage/in this scenario is supplements or checking in with a vet.
 
SaddlePsych'D said:
Your OP yesterday says she is/was 'not lame but definitely stiff'?

I'm not questioning you are aiming to do your best for her but I do question whether 'best' at this stage/in this scenario is supplements or checking in with a vet.
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Thank you for your concern. She is doing well today. If I went to docs every time I was a bit stiff. 😆
 
We tried yumove, no improvement.

Tried collagen and poor dog was pooing blood after first dose.

We are now using cartrophen. 1 jab a week for 4 weeks then new thinking is a monthly jab. £39 for prescription then £65 approx for a bottle which lasts 3 months although vet said keep using it as will be fine. I do the jabs myself. Pony is also on cartrophen and has been loads better for it same as collie.

Collie is also on metacam with food each day, she has v sensitive stomach but has been fine with it. 🙂
 
pistolpete said:
Thank you for your concern. She is doing well today. If I went to docs every time I was a bit stiff. 😆
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I have two old dogs, on 14 and the other 17. They were on YuMove for years, and then we added physio in, every month. It was around £80 a month but did make a great difference.

I would caution against thinking that everything is OK just because they look OK. I say this as they change so slowly that you don't necessarily see what is happening. When we started physio monthly, I could see the clock turn back. They started to jump on the sofa again - and I had thought I'd simply trained them out of it!

The physio recommended I went to the vet for meds and I thought she was wrong. On physio and YuMove, they looked fine to me. They were running around, seemingly happy. But, I took the advice and they were both given Metacam daily.

The Metacam lasted them years, but Hekkie started to be less mobile, so I went to a now different vet and they have given us Onsior. This is better for the dogs in their stomach and organs, and it has once again renewed their lease of life. It is more expensive than the Metacam but has put them back years, we now get dragged to the pub with gusto. Again, I had thought I'd done lead training, whereas I now discover it was them not being as strong because they were uncomfortable.

I have the Onsior daily as a preventative, but also some non Xylatol Calpol for emergencies. I have not needed it, but it's there ready. The dosage was worked out by a vet as it is dangerous if too much is given.

They are also on Yumove Max strength, and a probiotic, as well as switching them to raw food.

The vet advises that there are further measures we can take to keep them strong in life, as I won't keep them if they are failing badly. When the current regime isn't enough, we will look at more.

To be clear, the dogs were never lame, or stiff on a daily basis. They were simply less strong, less enthusiastic, less athletic and could be stiff after a hard day. I thought the sanity in the house was simply down to them growing up, but the meds have reversed that. I think that dogs, like horses, can be stoic and it is my duty to be proactive.

We were away this weekend, and this is a photo their holiday home sent us...

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The black one is Heck, who is 17. He is also the one I bought an aircon unit for when it was hot. he is a dirty, scruffy smelly old man but the apple of my eye. The yellow one is Cracker-dog, inherited when mum died. They have been on meds for about 5 or 6 years now.
 
Red-1 said:
I have two old dogs, on 14 and the other 17. They were on YuMove for years, and then we added physio in, every month. It was around £80 a month but did make a great difference.

I would caution against thinking that everything is OK just because they look OK. I say this as they change so slowly that you don't necessarily see what is happening. When we started physio monthly, I could see the clock turn back. They started to jump on the sofa again - and I had thought I'd simply trained them out of it!

The physio recommended I went to the vet for meds and I thought she was wrong. On physio and YuMove, they looked fine to me. They were running around, seemingly happy. But, I took the advice and they were both given Metacam daily.

The Metacam lasted them years, but Hekkie started to be less mobile, so I went to a now different vet and they have given us Onsior. This is better for the dogs in their stomach and organs, and it has once again renewed their lease of life. It is more expensive than the Metacam but has put them back years, we now get dragged to the pub with gusto. Again, I had thought I'd done lead training, whereas I now discover it was them not being as strong because they were uncomfortable.

I have the Onsior daily as a preventative, but also some non Xylatol Calpol for emergencies. I have not needed it, but it's there ready. The dosage was worked out by a vet as it is dangerous if too much is given.

They are also on Yumove Max strength, and a probiotic, as well as switching them to raw food.

The vet advises that there are further measures we can take to keep them strong in life, as I won't keep them if they are failing badly. When the current regime isn't enough, we will look at more.

To be clear, the dogs were never lame, or stiff on a daily basis. They were simply less strong, less enthusiastic, less athletic and could be stiff after a hard day. I thought the sanity in the house was simply down to them growing up, but the meds have reversed that. I think that dogs, like horses, can be stoic and it is my duty to be proactive.

We were away this weekend, and this is a photo their holiday home sent us...

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The black one is Heck, who is 17. He is also the one I bought an aircon unit for when it was hot. he is a dirty, scruffy smelly old man but the apple of my eye. The yellow one is Cracker-dog, inherited when mum died. They have been on meds for about 5 or 6 years now.
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Aww they’re both lovely and obviously so loved. Meg has had physio and been on pain meds when she needed them. Galliprant suited her best. She’s back to her old self full of beans.
 
pistolpete said:
Is riaflex offering something different or is it cheaper or both?
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Sorry, late reply as I can see you have gone with Riaflex.
There is a difference - the joint plus pro has green lipped mussel the HA doesn't (Purdey is sensitive to GLM so good to avoid that for her).
They are very helpful if you email them.

Good luck - hope it works.
 
Archangel said:
Sorry, late reply as I can see you have gone with Riaflex.
There is a difference - the joint plus pro has green lipped mussel the HA doesn't (Purdey is sensitive to GLM so good to avoid that for her).
They are very helpful if you email them.

Good luck - hope it works.
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I’m hoping she will stay sound on it. If there’s a dramatic improvement I’ll report back. She dug a crater in the garden today so well in self!
 

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Tala had her orthopedic appointment yesterday and I asked the vet about which supplement they would recommend, Tala is on riaflex HA, vet said the supplement should have green lipped mussels. I started down a rabbit hole yesterday and came to the conclusion I want GLM, collagen and HA in her supplement, the reports I read about GLM say 25mg for kilo and I couldn't find a supplement that was that high so will be researching more when I have time.
 
Red-1 said:
I have two old dogs, on 14 and the other 17. They were on YuMove for years, and then we added physio in, every month. It was around £80 a month but did make a great difference.

I would caution against thinking that everything is OK just because they look OK. I say this as they change so slowly that you don't necessarily see what is happening. When we started physio monthly, I could see the clock turn back. They started to jump on the sofa again - and I had thought I'd simply trained them out of it!

The physio recommended I went to the vet for meds and I thought she was wrong. On physio and YuMove, they looked fine to me. They were running around, seemingly happy. But, I took the advice and they were both given Metacam daily.

The Metacam lasted them years, but Hekkie started to be less mobile, so I went to a now different vet and they have given us Onsior. This is better for the dogs in their stomach and organs, and it has once again renewed their lease of life. It is more expensive than the Metacam but has put them back years, we now get dragged to the pub with gusto. Again, I had thought I'd done lead training, whereas I now discover it was them not being as strong because they were uncomfortable.

I have the Onsior daily as a preventative, but also some non Xylatol Calpol for emergencies. I have not needed it, but it's there ready. The dosage was worked out by a vet as it is dangerous if too much is given.

They are also on Yumove Max strength, and a probiotic, as well as switching them to raw food.

The vet advises that there are further measures we can take to keep them strong in life, as I won't keep them if they are failing badly. When the current regime isn't enough, we will look at more.

To be clear, the dogs were never lame, or stiff on a daily basis. They were simply less strong, less enthusiastic, less athletic and could be stiff after a hard day. I thought the sanity in the house was simply down to them growing up, but the meds have reversed that. I think that dogs, like horses, can be stoic and it is my duty to be proactive.

We were away this weekend, and this is a photo their holiday home sent us...

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The black one is Heck, who is 17. He is also the one I bought an aircon unit for when it was hot. he is a dirty, scruffy smelly old man but the apple of my eye. The yellow one is Cracker-dog, inherited when mum died. They have been on meds for about 5 or 6 years now.
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This is an excellent post. I’d love all my owners to be like you. (Rehab vet).
 
KEK said:
This is an excellent post. I’d love all my owners to be like you. (Rehab vet).
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I actually left my previous vet as they were part of a big chain and were constantly criticising me for not doing procedures on very old dogs (such as all of the fatty lumps on the 17 year old one: they wanted GA, biopsy and removals).

I got sick of the guilt trips and moved to an independent vet who understands that doggos are elderly and are on preservation of quality rather than heroic medicine. The new vet praised the alertness and confidence, and friendliness of them both. They both are bright and happy. He said he'd do the same as me and that sometimes, just because we can, doesn't mean we should.

I'd got so I dreaded going to the vet as they were so disparaging. It wasn't about not spending money (I think the new drugs cost double). It was about being a realist and prizing comfort. In the end, I didn't trust their recommendations. So, we moved!

If one lump becomes inflamed and bothersome, it will be operated on as long as it is a straightforward procedure. Otherwise, he is covered in them and wears his lumps with pride.
 
Dopeydapple said:
Tala had her orthopedic appointment yesterday and I asked the vet about which supplement they would recommend, Tala is on riaflex HA, vet said the supplement should have green lipped mussels. I started down a rabbit hole yesterday and came to the conclusion I want GLM, collagen and HA in her supplement, the reports I read about GLM say 25mg for kilo and I couldn't find a supplement that was that high so will be researching more when I have time.
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I'd be very interested in your conclusions when you find the time.
 
Dopeydapple said:
Tala had her orthopedic appointment yesterday and I asked the vet about which supplement they would recommend, Tala is on riaflex HA, vet said the supplement should have green lipped mussels. I started down a rabbit hole yesterday and came to the conclusion I want GLM, collagen and HA in her supplement, the reports I read about GLM say 25mg for kilo and I couldn't find a supplement that was that high so will be researching more when I have time.
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Riaflex Joint pro plus has green lipped mussels included at correct dose
 
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