Zero on a dressage sheet?

I once got a 0 - movement was circle right 20 m in right canter and pony refused to go on correct lead no matter how many times I asked him. In the end I gave up and completed the movement on the wrong leg.

Thing is - I could see where the (listed) judge was coming from - the movement asked for right canter and although we did canter we didn't do any RIGHT canter.

Was an unaffil prelim and it cost us a qualifier for a championship show. Couldn't get too upset though because 1) I knew the judge and she is lovely and was very complimentary about the rest of the test and 2) in the second test an hour later he behaved himself and duly qualified
 
I've had the same at intro level, an incorrect strike off that I corrected but still got a 0...very odd judging!
 
Ferdinase514 said:
It is actually diff to score 0 particulatly at level levels. If you are moving but not nec in the correct pace, it can't be 0.
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This. If you get to the next letter under your own steam then you have completed at least a portion of the movement, however poorly.;)

I can't quite believe a wrong lead would be considered a 0 in judges training. Even if you don't correct the canter, you've still cantered.
 
TarrSteps said:
This. If you get to the next letter under your own steam then you have completed at least a portion of the movement, however poorly.;)

I can't quite believe a wrong lead would be considered a 0 in judges training. Even if you don't correct the canter, you've still cantered.
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A 0 means really not performed - just resistance and no steps back in rein back or similar. As TarrSteps says, if you get from the start of the movement to the end you have achieved something, even if you are in the wrong gear! Even at a higher level a 0 for a wrong strike off would be unusual.

In unaffiliated competitions you can get judges who have no training and misinterpret how mistakes should be marked.
 
Ferdinase514 said:
^^ exactly. Unlisted judges making their own (incorrect) interpretation of the scoring system.

A 4 would have been more appropriate.
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Thanks for this . . . off to look up the judge.

We won't be challenging it, but it's good to know that we're somewhat justified in finding the mark a little harsh.

Onwards and upwards.

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Thing is - I could see where the (listed) judge was coming from - the movement asked for right canter and although we did canter we didn't do any RIGHT canter.


If you take this logic further, then in a test asking for medium trot between 2 markers where the horse doesn't show a difference from working trot, then you could say a 0 was justified as medium trot not shown, but of course that it never how it is judged. Even a lack of any difference will still get a 5+ if the trot is ok otherwise.

Dressage judging heh! :eek:
 
Prelim 12 does have a 10 point mark for a movement that just states Between M & C working canter left. Is this the one?

I don't have the judges mark sheet with the directives on that go with this test but your score sheet will. What elements are asked to mark? I haven't got any Prelim ones but an elementary states things like :Fluency and Throughness of the transition, engagement and clarity. (So if the transition isn't performed you can't mark anything!)

If the canter was achieved all be it rather late (even after the marker)then 0 does seem extremely harsh and it should have marked down simply as late with an extra penalty for the first incorrect strike off. Personally if it is just a transition mark only then 4( Insufficient) seems quite generous, but a 3 or 4 would be more appropriate than 0.

I've just realised you said Intro, but they don't have any canter? !?
 
burtie said:
Prelim 12 does have a 10 point mark for a movement that just states Between M & C working canter left. Is this the one?

I don't have the judges mark sheet with the directives on that go with this test but your score sheet will. What elements are asked to mark? I haven't got any Prelim ones but an elementary states things like :Fluency and Throughness of the transition, engagement and clarity. (So if the transition isn't performed you can't mark anything!)

If the canter was achieved all be it rather late (even after the marker)then 0 does seem extremely harsh and it should have marked down simply as late with an extra penalty for the first incorrect strike off. Personally if it is just a transition mark only then 4( Insufficient) seems quite generous, but a 3 or 4 would be more appropriate than 0.

I've just realised you said Intro, but they don't have any canter? !?
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BE 92 test (so Prelim standard) . . . Intro is the BE class.

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Looked judge up . . . not a (BD) listed judge but apparently v experienced. Would love to chat to her to find out why she gave him a zero . . . but, given that she judged a wodge-load that day, I doubt she remembers. Ah well.

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That definitely sounds very harsh. We got the lead wrong last weekend in a riding club comp and I didn't correct it till nearly half way around the circle and still managed a 4! I've also had the opposite where a judge didn't notice I was on the wrong leg but we had camera proof that I was and managed to get a 7! It's so frustrating when the judging varies so much but love your jockey's positive attitude. Onwards and upwards!
 
Def seems extremely harsh - was writing for an Advanced BE test yesterday, some horses COULD NOT walk on long diagonal, was wayyyy too exciting, one pair got 1, judge said "well at least they got from one side to the other !".

Judge in this case was very experienced (to say the least), as was jockey, just one of those days.
 
Horse once spooked at a pot plant jumped from e to x and back again (he very sharp) judge must have missed it because got a 7 for it!!!!!!!!!
Last week young grandson did test on five year old pony only broken in this year, test required trot walk trot he walked four paces on the center line as required in test. Judge comment no walk steps shown! We had it on video four walk steps. You musnt let one judge, one test let you become despondent.
 
I got a -2 for a late transition in a walk and trot on my little section B!

It wasn't even an error of course and then a mark (so you ended up with a few marks) it was a -2 in the mark box.

I've also been retired by a judge and only found out when checking the score board. Judge stopped marking halfway through the test. Didn't say anything though. I always end up with the though judges!
 
Gosh there are some harsh judge stories on this thread! Its a wonder that there aren't more zeros given out, I'm overdue a load, going off these judges!:o Giving minus marks is really unfair - as you say, you've either gone wrong, in which case you should be beeped and set off again, or you've not done it - how can it be both!

I am now feeling very lucky that my event horse in Italy, decades ago, who always came down the centre line on entry on two legs, was only given ones and twos for the first halt! I never realised it could have been a lot worse!
 
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