Zubin-R

[Zulu01]

Hello,
Just to congratulate the four year old stallion Zubin-R and his rider Andrew Williams on winning their first Discovery Masters. A mere six months after being broken this promising young stallion is competing at Discovery level and in achieving a double clears. Well done Zubin-R

 

[eventrider23]

Well Done!!! Fingers crossed he continues to go from strength to strength and prove all the doubters wrong!

 

[Amelia]

Congratulations !

Hope SHB(GB) have seen this

 

[S_N]

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Congratulations !

Hope SHB(GB) have seen this

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You took the words right out of my mouth D!!

P.S. I'd reply to your text if I could work my new phone

 

[zoeshiloh]

Well done - but what is the back story, I have missed it I think??

 

[eventrider23]

zoeshiloh - don't want to kick off the whole thread again so I will be very brief and just give you the bare details. It was with regards to the SHB(GB) approvals....he was controversially failed at the grading as he supposedly had poor conformation but at the same time was pronounced overall champion at the BEF Futurity last year in the 3 year old section. His owner's subsequently decided to pull him from any stud duties (was supposed to have been available through Hobgoblins) as he's decided that he will let him prove his worth and ability in the show ring instead of having him graded.

 

[Anastasia]

Like eventrider has said, without kicking off an old subject again......a good sports horse does not necessitate a good breeding stallion......

Its all subjective anyways....apparently two of the stallions who failed the SSH stallion grading earlier on this year have subsequently received "Licensed" and "Registered" with the AES. Personally I was perhaps a little surprised when I heard, unless they have changed dramatically, but again as an owner you would be delighted with the result regardless...

I dont know anything about this stallion or his connections etc and I wish them the very best, as he obviously has great talent as a showjumper, and he may get re-graded and pass with flying colours.

 

[scotsmare]

On the subject of failed SSH gradings I know of one stallion who FAILED but was told by AES to bring him next year under saddle and they'd accept him. How crazy is this?

 

[Amelia]

Hi Scotsmare, I can see both sides of the coin.

Obviously depending on 'why' they failed ..... But Some young horses simply dont perform well on the day. (never work with children & animals <lol&gt, so by giving them a second chance and/or recommending them to come back under saddle is a good idea.

I was with an owner at the AES in April - and this was the case with thier 3 year old, so he is coming back next year under saddle

Opps: Sorry - didnt see the bit in your reply where you said that they 'would' accept him when re-presented; but I wouldnt have thought that this would have been said.

 

[Anastasia]

I have to say that I am not an expert stallion judge, however, I agreed with both the NRPS and Hanoverian judges at this years SSH gradings with those stallions that failed.

So it does make you then wonder about the credibility of the AES when you hear things like that (unless the stallions have made HUGE developmental changes and/or have improved drastically on movement or jump)....and sadly its not the first time I have heard stories of that kind regarding the AES...

(whether correct or incorrect....as things can be in the horse world...i.e. taken with a pinch of salt

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[Anastasia]

Amelia think we must have posted at the same time. Can understand what you are saying re maturity etc, but I think the wording of Scotsmare's post was "that they would accept them".......rather than saying they would take another look under saddle and then decide.

Again that is maybe what they did say to the person Scotsmare is speaking about, and perhaps it was perceived differently by the person listening....

 

[Amelia]

Without knowing the horse and/or the details of why he failed the grading I cant obviosly comment with 100% certainty - but IMHO I really dont think this would have been said.

No grading proceedure is perfect - although 'some' are worse than others <lol>

LOL C !! posting at the same time again..... you know my feeling on the AES grading system <lol> but this would be complete madness !! Maybe the owner mis-understood

 

[zoeshiloh]

I used to work for a very well known rider, who presented a horse at BWBS grading, and it passed no problems. The horse in question had kissing spine, DJD in hocks, cracked feet and a parrot mouth. Its owner had taken it before, an it didn't even pass initial vetting, but when the 'pro' took it, it got some of the best marks in the grading.

I have all this to look forward to next year when trying to grade my boy - oh joy!

 

[koeffee]

wont harp on to much about aes but i found in my experience its not what you know or how you produce your stallion, its more who you know and who you send the stallion too to grade?

 

[scotsmare]

Obviously, I can't publicly name the stallion Anastasia but it's from someones yard we both know. Her words to me were that the AES would definitely grade him when he came out under saddle.

 

[affjumper]

yes well done Zubin-R and Andrew Williams, just a shame this Top class horse is off to Germany !!, was looking at his website and it says he is going to Germany has he been sold or is this a rumour ?

 

[Zulu01]

Yes he is going to Germany but no he is not sold.

 

[affjumper]

why is this ??

 

[affjumper]

Many Thanks Zulu, for clearing that up is he coming back do you know ?, i wanted to use him this year on my mares but was told he was no longer available to use at stud.