‘Silver’ labs. Headdesk

ester said:
I should add the one I’ve seen I’m totally assuming not to be a cross because it looks sufficiently Labrador like ?
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It does look like a lab .
I have never seen a silver lab in real life .
Fox red labs which are now very popular where about fifty years ago my Dad bred a litter from two yellow labs and got two red ones we kept them, one a dog ,Rupert And a bitch called Rosie they where a talking point back then .
The silver ones look like chocolate ones that have gone a bit wrong .
 
Clodagh said:
They ren't actually silver, sort of a muddy choc/grey colour. I can see that it could be natural, spontaneous mutations do occur and ar eoften missed/not valued.
My main gip with them is they are bred for colour.


Like snipey heads on fox reds (HAD TO SAY IT!) which are massively improved now that there are more of them.
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thats so true, we bred our bitch (health tested all good) twice, the second litter have much better heads.
 
It didn't seem fair to put a full photo of someone's dog on the forum but happy to PM if anyone particularly interested.
I actually think for me it's the eyes that make him look weird really.
 
ester said:
It didn't seem fair to put a full photo of someone's dog on the forum but happy to PM if anyone particularly interested.
I actually think for me it's the eyes that make him look weird really.
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TBH I couldn't see enough of the dog to judge what it looked like. The bit I could see looked more like a wolf than a Lab!
 
The eye colour is pure Weim. As is the shape and shape of head if you were to take the breed back about 10+ years. Heads were bigger and more wedged , eyes were smaller. Now their are narrower and the eyes are more round. Body shape has changed to more sporty too.

The eyes start off blue, then change through a variety of shades ranging from grey, aqua, yellow and tawny.

Coat colour also ranges from a darker silver grey through to pale silver beige. In between you will get the darker, more steel grey and mouse grey.

I think it's bs that the silver labs are natural.
As a Weim owner I can see the breed in them straight away. The coat and build is heavier but head shape , ears and eye colour are almost the same. Just an older style before the breed became yet another victim of the show bench
 
I just can’t quite grasp the motivation other than fashion for putting the two together.
Shady I agree I can see my weim in a lot of them.
I loved mine desperately, she was a wonderful girl but dear god they’re work!
The idea of a heftier more food oriented version... I’d run a mile!
 
Shady said:
The eye colour is pure Weim. As is the shape and shape of head if you were to take the breed back about 10+ years. Heads were bigger and more wedged , eyes were smaller. Now their are narrower and the eyes are more round. Body shape has changed to more sporty too.

The eyes start off blue, then change through a variety of shades ranging from grey, aqua, yellow and tawny.

Coat colour also ranges from a darker silver grey through to pale silver beige. In between you will get the darker, more steel grey and mouse grey.

I think it's bs that the silver labs are natural.
As a Weim owner I can see the breed in them straight away. The coat and build is heavier but head shape , ears and eye colour are almost the same. Just an older style before the breed became yet another victim of the show bench
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The wedge of a head shows me lab in there. We had grave suspicions about the origins of one of our two when we were comparing head size!
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P.forpony said:
I just can’t quite grasp the motivation other than fashion for putting the two together.
Shady I agree I can see my weim in a lot of them.
I loved mine desperately, she was a wonderful girl but dear god they’re work!
The idea of a heftier more food oriented version... I’d run a mile!
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Lo . Agree. Much work , but the rewards are worth every ahhhhhhhh moment !. I will always have one now in my life until I realistically can't have a dog at all.
I would imagine it was a mistake mating that produced some interesting pups and it went from there for whatever reason. If you really look at photo's of all the colours both as adults and pups you begin to see the Weim more. ( but not recent types). Even the expression and head tilt tells me there is Weim blood.

A mix of two greedy , bloat prone breeds with hip problems is not a good idea.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
The wedge of a head shows me lab in there. We had grave suspicions about the origins of one of our two when we were comparing head size!
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Awww lovely.
Yes they are a little different. I imagine you get this in all breeds? Weims certainly start of looking like little dome heads and then develop their proper shape which does vary.
All the older style Weims were massive through the chest. Had smaller squarer ears and bigger wider heads. Eye placement and shape was different too.
Now they are narrower through the body and head and have much longer ears and rounder eyes.

I read an opinion on silvers that Labrador lines were so protected and well documented that any pup appearing the wrong colour would have automatically been drowned, so it was possible that silvers did exist before ' suddenly' appearing but they would have been hushed up and disposed of.
It's possible I guess......or the Lab breeder who also had Weims had an oops moment
 
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