1 year old dies after being attacked by a dog

Agree WelshRareBit, ignorance is the only killer in these situations. That along with irresponsible breeders selling to irresponsible owners and again that's not the dog's fault. Infact in these situations it's never the dogs fault - end of.

I think that it is just a myth that if a dog tastes blood it turns nasty (I know they're not WelshRareBit's exact words!! But I've heard other people say it too)

Also, would just like to say that ITN news have reported that the Government have no intentions of banning the Rottweiler.
 
Pick self off floor after fainting because the goverment seem to have sense for once!
I do not believe the whole blood thing either. My brother whenever he gets a cut has my old dog lick it clean he swears it is the best thing to clean a wound with. She has never bitten you can play ruff with her & stop it in an instent just by words. She is also a patadog for visiting hospitals.
 
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I do not believe the whole blood thing either. My brother whenever he gets a cut has my old dog lick it clean he swears it is the best thing to clean a wound with.

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Me too, sounds gross but heals in half the time!
 
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Exasperate- to increase the gravity or intensity of?

Going to be pedantic here and say - not in this sense. A problem is exasperated- a claim wouldn't be, except possibly in the sense of being made untenable
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I know what the Poster meams, but can't think of the word myself...

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Exasperate- to increase the gravity or intensity of?

Going to be pedantic here and say - not in this sense. A problem is exasperated- a claim wouldn't be, except possibly in the sense of being made untenable
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I disagree.
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i've always found collies to be the most agressive dogs... my grandparents had one, very irritable, never bit, but wasn't far off. also i was bitten by a collie in the park once when i was little...
 
I havn't read the last page of replies because my brain started to hurt!
But I agree with whoever said that all dogs should be muzzles in public - I completely agree!
I also agree with whoever said that people saying "oh my dogs a darling" is getting far too blase and ignoring the risks. ALL dogs - no matter how they are raised and trained - pose a risk. Training just minimises that risk. Never under any circumstance should that risk be completely ignored.
 
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i've always found collies to be the most agressive dogs... my grandparents had one, very irritable, never bit, but wasn't far off. also i was bitten by a collie in the park once when i was little...

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I've been bitten twice by collies and mauled once. Nearly every farm down here has 3+ and they scare the life out of me because they're sly and fly! However I met one in the vets the other week who was a 'pet' and she's restored my confidence in them somewhat, she was sweet, soft and gentle!
 
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But I agree with whoever said that all dogs should be muzzles in public - I completely agree!
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Now I sort of think this is a pointless exercise, how many child deaths by dog have been in a park? They've nearly all been in the home.
 
sly - that describes collies well. they're just a bit too intelligent to be trusted...

i've met one agressive Rottie (obviously had a crap owner, was wandering around the streets, no collar, anything, attacked my mum and her dog, a drunk guy tried to rescue them, it attacked him too) one agressive whippet, one agressive GSD cross, several snappy collies and collie crosses, a bitey JRT, and one completely mental and savage pekinese. just goes to show
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But its about more than a childs death its about overall safety! I know several people (and horses!) who have been attacked by dogs while out walking/hacking/at local events and it wouldn't have happened if muzzles were made compulsory. I think its a smart move and personally I don't see why people are against it? Just seems like pigheadedness to me "well my dog wouldn't do that so why do I have to" its just awkwardness and thats what makes this world so difficult half the time!
At the end of the day it is your (and i mean a general your, not your actual self SM) sole responsibility as a dog owner to make sure that everyone around it is safe. It may be annoying for the owner of a well behaved dog to put a muzzle on when its out but it surely is a small price to pay if it stops innocent people getting attacked by people who cannot control their dogs?
 
It's very sad, but as many people have said, you can't blame the breed, any dog has the capability to attack.

Prime example the other week at our yard, YO's 5 year old son was playing with their jack russell x which they have had for years. They play together every day. Dog grabbed the finger of the boys glove and was pulling it, child was shaking his hand, laughing and the dog just pulled and shook until the child ended up on the floor - no harm was meant, but it just shows you that no matter what the size of the dog, or the breed, they all have that instinct, some just show it more than others. Like us, we can be nice as pie one minute and snapping at someone the next.
 
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But I agree with whoever said that all dogs should be muzzles in public - I completely agree!
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Now I sort of think this is a pointless exercise, how many child deaths by dog have been in a park? They've nearly all been in the home.

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Baaaa! I totally agree with SM!

I find it crazy so many are calling to ban a breed of dog due to attacks that have happened. Most of which have been totally avoidable.

Children should never be left alone with any breed of dog. I would never leave my dogs (a schnauzer and two labs) with any child.

I wonder how many of those calling for them to be banned have any true experience of the breed? Or in fact, with any breed of dog full stop?
 
" It may be annoying for the owner of a well behaved dog to put a muzzle on when its out but it surely is a small price to pay if it stops innocent people getting attacked by people who cannot control their dogs? "




It may have been said before, but muzzling dgos in public would not have stopped this child being killed, because the dog wasn't in public - it was at home.

Should we all muzzle our mutts all the time? Perhaps all dogs should just have their teeth extracted so they can't bite anyone?

Or should we just all take responsibility for our animals and our children with a little bit of common sense, and not leave a small child alone with anything that has the ability to kill it - a cat, a dog, a lion, a tiger, a quad bike on a dark street, a large angry aggressive drunkard, or even alone in their beds in a holiday apartment.....etc etc etc.

We can't legislate to avoid all tragic accidents.... because they are mostly just that.
 
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But its about more than a childs death its about overall safety! I know several people (and horses!) who have been attacked by dogs while out walking/hacking/at local events and it wouldn't have happened if muzzles were made compulsory. I think its a smart move and personally I don't see why people are against it? Just seems like pigheadedness to me "well my dog wouldn't do that so why do I have to" its just awkwardness and thats what makes this world so difficult half the time!
At the end of the day it is your (and i mean a general your, not your actual self SM) sole responsibility as a dog owner to make sure that everyone around it is safe. It may be annoying for the owner of a well behaved dog to put a muzzle on when its out but it surely is a small price to pay if it stops innocent people getting attacked by people who cannot control their dogs?

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Do you own a dog GI?
 
I am strongly against muzzling ordinary well behaved dogs because I know all of ours would hate it. No throwing sticks in the park? Besides which it is the minority which as usual is the problem here-and do you think they will muzzle(are these dogs walked even?) their dogs?
 
I am strongly against muzzling ordinary well behaved dogs because I know all of ours would hate it. No throwing sticks in the park?
 
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I am strongly against muzzling ordinary well behaved dogs because I know all of ours would hate it. No throwing sticks in the park? Besides which it is the minority which as usual is the problem here-and do you think they will muzzle(are these dogs walked even?) their dogs?

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It comes down to being a resposable owner and knowing your dog.
Yorkie(who BTW is by far the most agressive dog I have met!) doesnt need to eb muzzled all the time while out-but he does in certain situations.
I am aware of what set him on edge and as soon as we come to a situation that he *might* be trouble in the muzzle goes on.
Having said that,he knows I carry it with me all the time and he knows although I love him dearly I AM the boss so a cross word stops him 9 times out of ten.It's the odd one i have the muzzle in my pocket for.

After the problem GSD's of my childhood(problems caused byprevious owners,they were angels in the house and garden where they felt safe)I always keep a muzzle in my pocket and would put it on without a second thought if I felt even tiny bit it was needed or MIGHT be needed whatever the breed but dont think all dogs should have a muzzle on all the time,it's just not fair.
Bit like saying no men should be allowed near children because some will violate them.
 
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Children should never be left alone with any breed of dog. I would never leave my dogs (a schnauzer and two labs) with any child.

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Just as a general question - what age child are you referring to? Do you mean strange children or your own children/those familiar with the dogs?

People keep bringing this up in the thread and yet most people I know who have had a family dog have been playing with the dog, often alone, since the age of 6/7 or so.

When I was a kid I used to take my grandmother's Doberman on walks alone - I was probably 9/10? And I used to walk the labradors owned by my neighbour at a similar age.

I'm not disagreeing with the idea that you shouldn't leave a dog unsupervised with little children, I'm just wondering how you're defining "child" in this sense.
 
Good point Spiral! Ok let me re-phrase, I would never leave anyone alone with my dogs!
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Seriously though, any children I know have always been brought up to respect dogs and help with training of gundogs. The oldest would be 9. I wouldn't leave her alone. And she knows exactly what she is doing with dogs.

Even children brought up with a family pet shouldn't be left alone (even at the age 8/9)

So I guess I'm saying, if they know what they're doing and have been around dogs all their lives, probably the age 11/12.

If they are not used to dogs, probably I would never leave them alone with a dog!
 
We always have dogs in the room, with or without parents I'd say 5/6 at a guess, maybe younger if watching tv and dog left in the room, never had any problems, we all know to watch the one dog who snaps..
 
Very good point Spiral!

For us,we were allowed to be alone with them once we were old enough to be seen by the dog as higher in the pack so about 7/8 depending on the child.
Strange children)friends,cousin's that dont live localy ect) were not left alone untill they were in their teens.
 
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I havn't read the last page of replies because my brain started to hurt!
But I agree with whoever said that all dogs should be muzzles in public - I completely agree!
I also agree with whoever said that people saying "oh my dogs a darling" is getting far too blase and ignoring the risks. ALL dogs - no matter how they are raised and trained - pose a risk. Training just minimises that risk. Never under any circumstance should that risk be completely ignored.

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I think someone else has already asked this but, do you own a dog? You sound very anti dog to me. There's no need to muzzle every dog out in public, they're not all of a sudden going to start tearing into people. There are a heck of a lot more sensible dog owners than given credit for and these are the one's who know whether or not their dog is of a good temperament. It's the minority who get the rest of us a bad name/image with their carelessness!!!!! A lot of these deaths could have been prevented.

And like a lot of people have said, these incidents are mostly happening in the home not in public. You couldn't keep a dog muzzled 24/7 "just incase" because it's inhumane. The practical answer to the solution is to educate people better in the way of keeping and training a dog and making sure it's well socialised - something you can't do with it's face wrapped in plastic or fabric. I stick to what I say, these incidents are never the dogs fault.
 
Anti dog?? Oh come on its not a cult! lol
I don't own a dog but have done in the past - however I have known many people including myself to have bad experiences with dogs PURELY because they were not under control by their owner. It's about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ANIMALS ACTIONS.
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Anti dog?? Oh come on its not a cult! lol
I don't own a dog but have done in the past - however I have known many people including myself to have bad experiences with dogs PURELY because they were not under control by their owner. It's about TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ANIMALS ACTIONS.
I can't read this post anymore its making me angry.

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Does that apply to horses aswell?
 
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Well I am confused as to why the uproar about dogs being muzzled whilst out in public. If this were the Law then yes I would have no qualms whatsoever to muzzle my dogs in a public place. Muzzles are no big deal and dogs get used to wearing them just as they do a collar and lead. Dog parks may be the place to allow running around and chasing sticks without muzzles on - the same as in many towns dogs are not allowed to wander around unleashed or poop all over the pavement. I personally can't see the big issue with this - and as for the people who allow this sort of thing to happen not obeying this Law, well I actually believe most would; particularly if there were on the spot fines for those who didn't. If it was something everyone did, they would follow I suspect.

As to the age of children, well as Anima says, when the dogs accept the child as a higher order - this is generally around the 8 year mark I believe.
 
At the end of the day this looks like a tragic accident. People are run over by cars, driven by irresponsible idiots?
People are bitten by dogs, owned by irresponsible o wners?
It will never happen and I am glad, that dogs will be muzzled by law.
 
I wouldn't mind a law for the muzzling on the street- really for the protection of my (small) dog rather than of myself or my child. Dogs are a magnet to other dogs, and whilst most of them are being friendly, if they were both muzzled it would be reassuring.
 
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