10 month old, shod up and broken to drive...can anyone help?

How is DD still going? I've lost count the amount of times people have emailed the links of abused horses to WHW and you never hear anything back.
 
FionaM12 said:
Scared of ringing them? :rolleyes:

Sorry but isn't that a bit hysterical? Also, if you're interested in buying her, how will you achieve that if just speaking to them on the phone frightens you?

There are definite welfare concerns within the traveler community. But demonising and hysteria won't help. I hardly think they're going to do anyone any harm over the phone.:rolleyes:
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Lol, more just curious how much such a horse is worth! So am a definite time waster ;)
 
LittleBlackMule said:
In this sort of situation the argument "buying it will just fund more" is completely irrelevant, and just an excuse to turn a blind eye.
It may be true of, say, puppy mills and the like, but not here. These horses don't get bred to fleece ignorant buyers. The advert wasn't put up to tug at heartstrings. Whether the filly is sold or not makes no difference to the breeders and sellers. If no one buys it and it ends up broken down and chucked aside, there will still be more to take it's place because breeding is a way of life for these people, not an industry, and they will carry on regardless.

So if a few end up being bought by people willing to give them a better life, it won't change how things are, but it will change everything for that particular horse.
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Sorry but I think you are wrong.

It's a reasonably recent phenomena this advertising traveller/gypsy horses to the general public. Fueled in part by the internet and misguided "rescues".

It is up to the general horse buying community to think responsibly about where they buy from even if that means paying more.
Just the same as the campaign for stopping the sale of clothes from sweatshops in the third world.

If you can only afford one horse/pony, make sure your money goes towards supporting regulated, responsible breeders/producers.
 
If this lot were dealt with properly, and the issues that the authorities keep ducking were sorted, by this I'm talking about the recently televised programs which featured, incest, rape, child abuse, animal cruelty, theft, poaching, vagrancy, tax evasion, trespass, deception, slavery and just about anything else you can think of, shoeing foals would be the least of their worries.

Its not on when the Police and Local Authorities won't deal with these people effectively, because they are difficult to deal with. Basically they just take the P cos they can.
 
But that 'wee scrap' is a potential road (or maybe even track- I don't know the regs) horse with breeding. They're selling it as potential rather than for someone to rescue.
It's closely controlled, regulated breeding, for a specific outcome.
DD is still going as its just a notice board (and yes, nice horses do pass through it, both for the normal and traveller markets) and there's a market for the sort of horse it sells.
Would there be the same response if it was a TB starting as a yearling or sports horse going through futurites?
 
Rara - whilst I agree with you about potential and that by charging a higher sum for that potential they are putting off the lower end of the buying market - I still believe that 10mnths is too young to have done all the things that poor foal has done.
 
Yeap £2,300....I went before twice to look at horse for friend from same person, paid alot more then that for hers, more money then sense but he was the fastest in some crazy trotting race.

As I said they aren't cheap, there not your standard fall in love and save, every person that fuels them money is encouraging it, I'm not ignorant or ignoring it at all. Horse is cheap for what they normally sell aswell.
 
Joined up today so I could post on this thread ....
Just totally breaks my heart :(
How a horse welfare charity can look at those photos and say there is nothing they can do defies all belief. I'm looking at a very ribby, very scared looking foal broken to drive at 10 MONTHS old and "still" wearing shoes begging the question when were they put on. But it's not a welfare issue, god almighty then what is!
If I wasn't at the other end of the country I'd be very tempted to take this poor baby home, it's depressed me all day.

But I totally get where people are coming from saying buying it just encourages the business. I've had two such ponies in my life, one I still have after the police removed it from public ground and it ended up dumped at the livery I used at the time, I eventually reached an agreement to pay up the rent owing to the livery owner and took her on. Turned out to be an absolute treat of a little pony and still going strong at nearly 20.
My very first pony I begged my parents to buy from travellers who had her tied up on waste ground, broken to ride and drive at age 2! I was just a teenager who badly wanted to help her, many years ago now, my parents could have ignored my pleas and she'd have ended up goodness knows where but they relented and she turned into my horse of a lifetime. Perhaps we were wrong to get her out of there and give those people money, but I certainly didn't regret it.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't in these situations. As long as we have bad ignorant people in the world this sorry trade will continue.
My heart just aches for that little soul in the photos.
 
Shettie said:
Yeap £2,300....I went before twice to look at horse for friend from same person, paid alot more then that for hers, more money then sense but he was the fastest in some crazy trotting race.

As I said they aren't cheap, there not your standard fall in love and save, every person that fuels them money is encouraging it, I'm not ignorant or ignoring it at all. Horse is cheap for what they normally sell aswell.
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Here's your answer to this, people will pay big money for this sort of thing.

Forget about calling on animal welfare charities to sort this, they won't be able to. As long as people pay, horses will be treated in this way.
 
Pale Rider said:
Here's your answer to this, people will pay big money for this sort of thing.

Forget about calling on animal welfare charities to sort this, they won't be able to. As long as people pay, horses will be treated in this way.
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Pale Rider has it in a nutshell!! Suckers like us that succumb to 'save the pony' create the situation....sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.....
 
It happened with people rescuing horses in France who were intended for slaughter. Started out with good intentions, but before long, owners figured out they could get more for their horse from a soft hearted Brit by saying it was going to go for meat.

I'd love to rescue the little mites like this one, but I would NOT want to give their disgusting owners my hard earned money. It'll only encourage them to carry on. And probably see it as an easy way to make a quick buck. Wouldn't be surprised if you ended up seeing more and more of them, if people caught on that "softies" will willingly hand over money for them.

:(
 
LittleBlackMule said:
In this sort of situation the argument "buying it will just fund more" is completely irrelevant, and just an excuse to turn a blind eye.
It may be true of, say, puppy mills and the like, but not here. These horses don't get bred to fleece ignorant buyers. The advert wasn't put up to tug at heartstrings. Whether the filly is sold or not makes no difference to the breeders and sellers. If no one buys it and it ends up broken down and chucked aside, there will still be more to take it's place because breeding is a way of life for these people, not an industry, and they will carry on regardless.

So if a few end up being bought by people willing to give them a better life, it won't change how things are, but it will change everything for that particular horse.
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Just what I was going to say!
 
hnmisty said:
My money would be him being a "farrier", rather than an actual trained and qualified farrier.
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If this was the case would it be possible for the RSPCA to prosecute who ever shod him ? I thought it was illegal in this country for an untrained person to shoe but could be wrong. I see a prosecution on those grounds as a way to make life difficult for the owners & those helping them.
 
POLLDARK said:
How would the Farrier who shod the youngster come off if he was reported for shoeing a 10 month old which did not require remedial shoeing. Was it ethical ?
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They shoe their own and I think the word *farrier* is not applicable. They just hammer shoes on the poor blighters.
 
It's all very well wanting to prosecute these people, but at the end of the day you do need some evidence.
Now I've never met one of these people who could lie straight in bed let alone tell the truth about anything. Lying to and ripping off people who are not part of their community is not any sort of offence as far as they are concerned. In fact taking advantage of everyone outside their community is compulsary.
Of course they shoe their own foals, but ask and it will have been born like it.

No one in authority wants to get involved with them, do yourself a favour, walk away. These people will drag you down.

Buying these poor little foals will help that foal, but they will keep on doing it.
 
Pale Rider said:
Here's your answer to this, people will pay big money for this sort of thing.

Forget about calling on animal welfare charities to sort this, they won't be able to. As long as people pay, horses will be treated in this way.
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This. Just like the petty thefts and fly tipping - without a receiver there would be no thiever. Without people to buy these horses there would be fewer encouragements to breed so many, tho they would still breed some.
 
Well evidence is easily found to prosecute as the colt is wearing shoes & they would need to come up with a qualified farrier to admit putting the shoes on, failing that they would be liable I would have thought. If you can't get someone through the front door it is worth going around the back.
 
POLLDARK said:
Well evidence is easily found to prosecute as the colt is wearing shoes & they would need to come up with a qualified farrier to admit putting the shoes on, failing that they would be liable I would have thought. If you can't get someone through the front door it is worth going around the back.
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I'm not being funny Polldark, but, you've obviously never dealt with these people from any sort of enforcement point of view.
 
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