jacks_mum
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I must be looking at the edge too then
3rd body found...
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Madam_max
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I'm with you. All we know at the moment is that his company hit financial difficulty after changing suppliers resulting in a breach of contract. This does not make him evil, etc etc. What other actual proof is there that he was vile, selfish etc etc.
jacks_mum
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Only what the papers sensationalise.
Shilasdair
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This does not make him evil, etc etc. What other actual proof is there that he was vile, selfish etc etc.
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Well, I'd see the fact that he slew his family, and pets as an indicator.
If ever you find I've killed and torched my OH, horses, and Samham, along with the house, feel free to call me vile and selfish.
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This does not make him evil, etc etc. What other actual proof is there that he was vile, selfish etc etc.
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Well, I'd see the fact that he slew his family, and pets as an indicator.
If ever you find I've killed and torched my OH, horses, and Samham, along with the house, feel free to call me vile and selfish.
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Madam_max
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Do you know that then?
teabiscuit
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is it the fact that his guilt hasn't been proved that is troubling you JM and MM?
if it comes out that he is indeed guilty of shooting 4 dogs, 3 horses, his wife and daughter, setting fire to his house before killing himself will you still defend him?
if it comes out that he is indeed guilty of shooting 4 dogs, 3 horses, his wife and daughter, setting fire to his house before killing himself will you still defend him?
Shilasdair
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Do you know that then?
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I'm pretty confident.
Aren't you a teensy weensy little bit suspicious that everything was barricaded from the inside, that he's been spotted running around torching things with a rifle in his hand?
I'm willing to bet you?!
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ETA: Or do you reckon it is cunning creditors and their hitmen, burning all the assets....oh wait....
Do you know that then?
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I'm pretty confident.
Aren't you a teensy weensy little bit suspicious that everything was barricaded from the inside, that he's been spotted running around torching things with a rifle in his hand?
I'm willing to bet you?!
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ETA: Or do you reckon it is cunning creditors and their hitmen, burning all the assets....oh wait....
The Virgin Dubble
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No JM, differing opinions allow us to see things from a different perspective. It wouldn't do for us all to think the same.
I do not 'hate' Chris Foster, but I hate what he has done, and feel absolute disgust that he murdered his wife and child.
The news conference has confirmed much of the press speculation I'm afraid, though I feel nothing but sadness at having my thoughts confirmed.
I do not 'hate' Chris Foster, but I hate what he has done, and feel absolute disgust that he murdered his wife and child.
The news conference has confirmed much of the press speculation I'm afraid, though I feel nothing but sadness at having my thoughts confirmed.
TarrSteps
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Maybe because believing he was just all evil makes it "easier" to bear. If he was just a selfish, psychopath then it's simple to explain and nothing similar would ever, ever happen to anyone any of us know. If he was "normal", even if not the nicest (after all, few crooked businessmen kill their families and animals and destroy their houses - usually they just leave wreckage and keep going) and then snapped somehow . . . well, what does that say about what people are capable of?
How does everyone know, if the worst suspicions can ever be confirmed, that the wife and daughter weren't in on it? Perhaps they agreed that a life without all they had wasn't worth living? There is precedent. I'm not saying it's likely or even possible but as a few people have said, we just don't know. . .
Of course he could just have been a selfish ******* who lied, cheated and ruined everything then tried to take it with him, no matter who got hurt. It's happened. Lots of very famous people have done the same, even with social encouragement. (Wives sealed up in tombs anyone?) The fact is we don't know, we likely never will. Do we avoid the evil people or try to make them less evil or try not to make sure borderline people don't fall over the edge? Or do we just accept there are things we'll never know about?
And J_M, don't give up. The world needs people who see the grey, just like it needs people prepared to run with a belief no matter what. Life is confusing and complicated and while it's tempting to *make* it simple I haven't been able to see the wisdom in that. But I'll agree, living in the middle usually gets you in trouble with both ends!
How does everyone know, if the worst suspicions can ever be confirmed, that the wife and daughter weren't in on it? Perhaps they agreed that a life without all they had wasn't worth living? There is precedent. I'm not saying it's likely or even possible but as a few people have said, we just don't know. . .
Of course he could just have been a selfish ******* who lied, cheated and ruined everything then tried to take it with him, no matter who got hurt. It's happened. Lots of very famous people have done the same, even with social encouragement. (Wives sealed up in tombs anyone?) The fact is we don't know, we likely never will. Do we avoid the evil people or try to make them less evil or try not to make sure borderline people don't fall over the edge? Or do we just accept there are things we'll never know about?
And J_M, don't give up. The world needs people who see the grey, just like it needs people prepared to run with a belief no matter what. Life is confusing and complicated and while it's tempting to *make* it simple I haven't been able to see the wisdom in that. But I'll agree, living in the middle usually gets you in trouble with both ends!
Shilasdair
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'BBC Breaking news: West Mercia Police say they believe Christopher Foster killed his wife and daughter before setting fire to his Shropshire mansion and taking his own life'
Is is ok to call him an evil sh*t yet?
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Is is ok to call him an evil sh*t yet?
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Madam_max
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Again, do you 'know' he has been seen running around with a rifle.
Of course I don't think it's his creditors/hitmen.
I am commenting on all the other crap that has been reported about him. I just feel there is a lot more to this than some man doing this out of selfishness.
Of course I don't think it's his creditors/hitmen.
I am commenting on all the other crap that has been reported about him. I just feel there is a lot more to this than some man doing this out of selfishness.
jacks_mum
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if it comes out that he is indeed guilty of shooting 4 dogs, 3 horses, his wife and daughter, setting fire to his house before killing himself will you still defend him?
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I would not defend his actions - I don't believe I have defended the actions of who ever has done this. But I would not hate him, that is too wrong, too harsh. The actions are abhorrent certainly but there will be a reason for them. Whether that reason makes any sense at all to anyone other the perpetrator is irrelevant, it made pure, total sense to them at the time they did it.
Dubs - I am glad you say you dont him, just his actions. That is rational, hating him IMO is not.
Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
if it comes out that he is indeed guilty of shooting 4 dogs, 3 horses, his wife and daughter, setting fire to his house before killing himself will you still defend him?
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I would not defend his actions - I don't believe I have defended the actions of who ever has done this. But I would not hate him, that is too wrong, too harsh. The actions are abhorrent certainly but there will be a reason for them. Whether that reason makes any sense at all to anyone other the perpetrator is irrelevant, it made pure, total sense to them at the time they did it.
Dubs - I am glad you say you dont him, just his actions. That is rational, hating him IMO is not.
Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
teabiscuit
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MM won't you answer my question?
is it the fact that he's being judged guilty before it's proved that is bothering you?
if he is guilty would you feel the same way?
is it the fact that he's being judged guilty before it's proved that is bothering you?
if he is guilty would you feel the same way?
Madam_max
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As I have said my issue isn't about the result of this. What I think is wrong is all the other crap that has been dragged up about his character.
teabiscuit
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The actions are abhorrent certainly but there will be a reason for them. Whether that reason makes any sense at all to anyone other the perpetrator is irrelevant, it made pure, total sense to them at the time they did it.
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i agree - i'm sure it made sense to him at the time, i'm sure he had his reasons all worked out
that doesn't excuse him.
The actions are abhorrent certainly but there will be a reason for them. Whether that reason makes any sense at all to anyone other the perpetrator is irrelevant, it made pure, total sense to them at the time they did it.
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i agree - i'm sure it made sense to him at the time, i'm sure he had his reasons all worked out
that doesn't excuse him.
Shilasdair
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Again, do you 'know' he has been seen running around with a rifle.
Of course I don't think it's his creditors/hitmen.
I am commenting on all the other crap that has been reported about him. I just feel there is a lot more to this than some man doing this out of selfishness.
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Yes. The police believe it was him as I posted above;
'BBC Breaking news: West Mercia Police say they believe Christopher Foster killed his wife and daughter before setting fire to his Shropshire mansion and taking his own life'
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Again, do you 'know' he has been seen running around with a rifle.
Of course I don't think it's his creditors/hitmen.
I am commenting on all the other crap that has been reported about him. I just feel there is a lot more to this than some man doing this out of selfishness.
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Yes. The police believe it was him as I posted above;
'BBC Breaking news: West Mercia Police say they believe Christopher Foster killed his wife and daughter before setting fire to his Shropshire mansion and taking his own life'
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Shilasdair
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As I have said my issue isn't about the result of this. What I think is wrong is all the other crap that has been dragged up about his character.
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Not every businessman is castigated by a judge for immoral activities, who also described Foster as 'not to be trusted'.
Seems that would have been good advice for his family too...
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As I have said my issue isn't about the result of this. What I think is wrong is all the other crap that has been dragged up about his character.
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Not every businessman is castigated by a judge for immoral activities, who also described Foster as 'not to be trusted'.
Seems that would have been good advice for his family too...
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teabiscuit
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As I have said my issue isn't about the result of this. What I think is wrong is all the other crap that has been dragged up about his character.
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ahh i haven't read those comments, except that he might have taken pot shots at grey squirels now and again.
i'm not sure what people could say about him that can be worse than killing his family and pets and himself, and setting fire to his home
As I have said my issue isn't about the result of this. What I think is wrong is all the other crap that has been dragged up about his character.
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ahh i haven't read those comments, except that he might have taken pot shots at grey squirels now and again.
i'm not sure what people could say about him that can be worse than killing his family and pets and himself, and setting fire to his home
Tierra
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Well one of the bodies is definitly that of Mr Foster:-
West Mercia Police confirmed that Christopher Foster's body had been identified after being found at Osbaston House, in Maesbrook
Taken from bbc news. Theyre still waiting complete confirmation on the daughter but i think everyone is pretty certain who it is
Such a sad state of affairs and my thoughts go out to all those close to the family.
West Mercia Police confirmed that Christopher Foster's body had been identified after being found at Osbaston House, in Maesbrook
Taken from bbc news. Theyre still waiting complete confirmation on the daughter but i think everyone is pretty certain who it is
Such a sad state of affairs and my thoughts go out to all those close to the family.
TarrSteps
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Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
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Oh dear. Not my intention, sorry. Was just trying to assure you there are lots of people wandering around in the fog, wondering if they've missed a memo that everyone else is so certain!
I'd give you one of my shortbread cookies but I can't figure out a way to put it in a PM.
Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
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Oh dear. Not my intention, sorry. Was just trying to assure you there are lots of people wandering around in the fog, wondering if they've missed a memo that everyone else is so certain!
I'd give you one of my shortbread cookies but I can't figure out a way to put it in a PM.
Madam_max
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How very, very sad.
Shilasdair
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Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
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Oh dear. Not my intention, sorry. Was just trying to assure you there are lots of people wandering around in the fog, wondering if they've missed a memo that everyone else is so certain!
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Seriously, I think if you have any information to the contrary, you ought to contact West Mercia Police as a matter of urgency so they can start looking for the correct culprit/s without delay.
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Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
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Oh dear. Not my intention, sorry. Was just trying to assure you there are lots of people wandering around in the fog, wondering if they've missed a memo that everyone else is so certain!
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Seriously, I think if you have any information to the contrary, you ought to contact West Mercia Police as a matter of urgency so they can start looking for the correct culprit/s without delay.
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teabiscuit
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How very, very sad.
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yes, and utterly horrifying. it's one of those cases that has really had an impact on me.
how many of us have had hard financial times?
we certainly have, tough tough times. there but for the grace of god....
How very, very sad.
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yes, and utterly horrifying. it's one of those cases that has really had an impact on me.
how many of us have had hard financial times?
we certainly have, tough tough times. there but for the grace of god....
Madam_max
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It has me. I think it really is because I find it do difficult to understand what makes someone do this.
TarrSteps
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Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
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Oh dear. Not my intention, sorry. Was just trying to assure you there are lots of people wandering around in the fog, wondering if they've missed a memo that everyone else is so certain!
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Seriously, I think if you have any information to the contrary, you ought to contact West Mercia Police as a matter of urgency so they can start looking for the correct culprit/s without delay.
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Um, huh?
Was referring (using my quote button and quick reply appropriately, I think) back to the sidebar conversation which was not specifically about this case but applied to a more general comment. Sorry to have offended/annoyed/upset you by answering someone else's comment to me.
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Tarrsteps - you just made me cry.
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Oh dear. Not my intention, sorry. Was just trying to assure you there are lots of people wandering around in the fog, wondering if they've missed a memo that everyone else is so certain!
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Seriously, I think if you have any information to the contrary, you ought to contact West Mercia Police as a matter of urgency so they can start looking for the correct culprit/s without delay.
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Um, huh?
Was referring (using my quote button and quick reply appropriately, I think) back to the sidebar conversation which was not specifically about this case but applied to a more general comment. Sorry to have offended/annoyed/upset you by answering someone else's comment to me.
TURBOBERT
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How sad he has been driven to do such a horendous thing. Goodness know his state of mind at the time. The members of the extended family must be totally traumatised. We can only offer our simpathy to all who knew and loved them.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Agreed there, I must say that I find it odd that people are talking about him 'taking it with him' and that he is an evil man etc. I could see that if he had killed the family, animals etc, torched the house and run away to live in some country without an extridition treaty. BUT the man himself is dead as well, how does that mean he got away with anything. Dead seems pretty much final to me.
JM07
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Impressive
OK Sherlock, why did "he" do it and do you feel sorry for him?
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WHY??? no idea.....and TBH, It doesn't really bother me either way...
i didn't know him, his wife or his extended family so i'm not personally effected...
OK Sherlock, why did "he" do it and do you feel sorry for him?
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WHY??? no idea.....and TBH, It doesn't really bother me either way...
i didn't know him, his wife or his extended family so i'm not personally effected...
SirenaXVI
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I find it hard to castigate the man too, his state of mind must have been severe for him to do what he did. Whilst his actions are alien and abhorent to me, the man did kill himself too, and it appears must have been thinking about it for some time. I am in no way excusing what he did to his family and their animals, but his mental state must have been terrible, none of us can know just how he was feeling but I do feel that we should have some compassion for a man who was very obviously mentally ill.
This is all so very very sad but I do not think Chris Foster was evil, sick yes, but not evil.
This is all so very very sad but I do not think Chris Foster was evil, sick yes, but not evil.
Madam_max
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Phew, that was put far better than I did and that sums it up.