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History repeats itself..:( when will these adults learn to keep little children and dogs apart...especially at 12.24am?
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WHY WHY WHY does it have to keep happening? What do these adults think? I can only guess on the type of dog, a type of dog that shouldn't mix with a young child WHATEVER. And yes, why was the child with the dog at that time of night?
Maybe as it is such a tragic event, SOME people will think harder about young children and 'attack' dogs and hope we won't be hearing this kind of news again.
Poor little Boy.
 
Agree, there is a certain type of person who is drawn to a certain type of dog, and these are the sort who should not be allowed to have dogs at all, and probably children either.
 
Without wishing to go off on a tangent, no breed or size of dog should be allowed around small children unsupervised.

We let them into our homes, our lives, our family, but they are animals, and prey animals at that, no matter how small or fluffy or wrinkly or friendly we have made them.
The slightest noise, movement or gesture, no matter how small or insignificant, can make something happen in a dog's brain that we cannot know, see or understand, because, like I say, they are animals and have different - highly engrained, despite evolution and breeding - behaviours and thought processes.

While no one knows what happened here, this is why I hate seeing dogs and small children rolling around on the floor together in a heap, no matter how friendly the dog - it only takes a second.

Some of the most vicious dogs I have seen have been small and fluffy. If they were full sized and powerful, they would not be allowed to behave the way they do.

Dogs are dogs. Unwittingly or deliberately, it is human behaviour that has made them the way they are.
 
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Some of the most vicious dogs I have seen have been small and fluffy. If they were full sized and powerful, they would not be allowed to behave the way they do.

Dogs are dogs. Unwittingly or deliberately, it is human behaviour that has made them the way they are.

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Amen to that. Poor little child
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Some of the most vicious dogs I have seen have been small and fluffy. If they were full sized and powerful, they would not be allowed to behave the way they do.

Dogs are dogs. Unwittingly or deliberately, it is human behaviour that has made them the way they are.

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Completely echo this.

The government needs to do something and I really hope it isn't just adding more breeds to the banned list.
 
I disagree.

I was raised in a household who bred showdogs for crufts, and have since day 1 been around dogs. I have never been bitten - nor has anyone else I know who has been in a similar situation to me.

Parents should educate children, and discipline dogs.

We have photos of me climbing all over the dogs, who didn't simply 'put up' with it, but being experienced with puppies, just treated me as the puppy of their owners. As have my own dogs around children.

It's like saying children should never be allowed to ride ponies because some ponies kick and bite, buck and bolt. If it is a true childs pony, in safe well controlled surroundings, then it won;t.

I would never be allowed on my own around the dogs, and they were far too floppy to care (being large spaniels).

If I have children, I will most certainly not be putting my dog to sleep or getting rid of it, because it is my responsibility as a pet owner and mother to protect both. That is my decision to make.

Some of the most well-behaved children I know come from working farms with dogs.

It is irresponsibility on the parent/carers half, NOT the governments to create a nanny state - ban dog breeds, remove dogs and childrens from families.

Sorry, bit of a rant there!
 
BandM, what is it you disagree with?
If it is to do with what I wrote, was also raised in a house which bred show dogs (of a breed which has been pilloried for years, a bit like bull breeds are, today) and I was never bitten.
There are pictures of me in the Dogs section sitting in the car boot with a dog, taking my dog in a children's handling class, in my pram with a dog beside me.

I too was educated about dogs and they were disciplined - I was taught to respect dogs and clambering over them isn't respecting them.

But IMO dogs of any breed and small children should not be allowed together unsupervised, unsupervised being the word - you wouldn't leave a small child on a pony unsupervised, would you?!

I didn't say dogs should be PTS or got rid of. But I do believe that there needs to be some sort of change on the rules governing dog ownership and the problem of irresponsible over-breeding. Like a written exam or something.
If people want dogs, they need to prove they are committed and capable, and sadly a lot of people are not.
 
I find a simple solution to the problem is to lock the dog away to sleep and that way the child, even if it does escape, will not come into contact with a dog. Who might be normally placid, but whom, when disturbed at night be an un dog savvy child, may well inflict an injury..
 
Dogs and young children CAN and are mixed - its a family after all. However, like ^^^^ has said, they need supervising and children need to learn to leave the dog alone, the dog needs its own place to 'escape' and both need to learn manners about how to treat each other! I too, was brought up with dogs (and loads of them at that!) I did get bitten once on my hand - but it was a lesson learnt. I went against my mothers words and cuddled one of our dogs in HER space at her time of having a rest. I was about 5 at the time, and I remember how naughty I was at being disobediant.
My own children have grown up with dogs, my dog was a mere pup when my eldest was 6 months, they grew up together and we are all a true family now. I am still reminding both children to leave the dog alone, on a regular basis, but I like to think iam a responsible mum and pet owner. It is possible to be both. Common sense goes a long way.
(little boy was called Jon - RIP)
 
Sorry, I think I misunderstood what you wrote!

I just don't agree with people who say children and dogs can't ever be together. As the last person said, it's about common sense
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You dont leave a child in a stable with a horse or pony at that age, so you shouldnt leave a child with a dog unsupervised. Same as we wouldn't leave a child with a human who was violent bus it suposedly reformed - Even the most loving of pets can turn.

We may love then 100%, but we cannot trust then 100% and ignore their natural behaviour. Domestication only hides it. Same with humans - we can hide our primal brain, it never goes away.
 
So sad, just read it on the bbc website
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poor little boy, what a terrible pointless death.

It frustrates me that the dogs breed comes into question, any fighting dog is capable of this be it an akita, doberman or pitbull. In the Netherland pitbulls are as common place as rotties or staffie are over here but you don't hear these report. It's not the dog or the breed it's the people that handle them. A dog is as dangerous as a firearm, I personally think they should be licenced accordingly.
 
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It frustrates me that the dogs breed comes into question, any fighting dog is capable of this be it an akita, doberman or pitbull.

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ANY dog - of any breed - is capable of seriously injuring a young child if they come together in the wrong circumstances!! I have a very cute and lovable JRTxYorkshire terrier who weighs less tha 10kg - he is a rescue who was 'got rid of' by former owners as he bit one of their children. He's scared of children and if a small person cornered him and attempted to pick him up, he would almost certainly bite - and if the bite was in the wrong place ..... I do NOT let him anywhere near small children!

And I have a springer - also a rescue - who suffers nervous aggression. He'll bite ANY stranger! Any dog can be made dangerous by bad handling!
 
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It frustrates me that the dogs breed comes into question, any fighting dog is capable of this be it an akita, doberman or pitbull.

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ANY dog - of any breed - is capable of seriously injuring a young child if they come together in the wrong circumstances!! I have a very cute and lovable JRTxYorkshire terrier who weighs less tha 10kg - he is a rescue who was 'got rid of' by former owners as he bit one of their children. He's scared of children and if a small person cornered him and attempted to pick him up, he would almost certainly bite - and if the bite was in the wrong place ..... I do NOT let him anywhere near small children!

And I have a springer - also a rescue - who suffers nervous aggression. He'll bite ANY stranger! Any dog can be made dangerous by bad handling!

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Absolutely agree - but may I also add that a dog doesn' thave to be dangerous by bad handling... We've had our farm bred border collie for 9 years now and we had him since he was born... he's ALWAYS been a funny dog to handle - he is the most loyal dog, but the most nervous too and he won't under ANY circumstances allow you into "his" space - get too close and he really panics - We don't let him mix with children of any age - including our own - he's always in a locked room (we have a separate room for the dogs) and allowed out to run around the farm/fields when I'm out on the yard alone - He's always been like this and always will be - it's in-bred in his nature - nothing we have done to start it - nothing we can do to help it - it's just him
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RIP little one - such a sad day
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Kate x
 
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I totally agree but it's generally the fighting dogs that maul people to death. My sister was bitten in the face by a collie, I know only to well any dog can bite but the lethal dogs are the ones that don't stop when the person backs off so not your typical gun dog, working dog really...not comment on JRT though, those little b*ggers are wild
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I totally agree but it's generally the fighting dogs that maul people to death. My sister was bitten in the face by a collie, I know only to well any dog can bite but the lethal dogs are the ones that don't stop when the person backs off so not your typical gun dog, working dog really...not comment on JRT though, those little b*ggers are wild
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I agree totally. Haven't most of the recent dog attacks on horses been by fighting / staffie types, and haven't these dogs come back for more despite being kicked several times?
 
Bull breeds were bred to bait bulls, but remember these dogs are also terriers, its the gameness of the terrier that affords the bull breeds their obstinate, fighting attitude. My JRT's are bred killers as are most peoples terriers, greyhounds, lurchers etc - the only difference is the propensity their jaws have to inflict serious injury.

A JRT is just as tenacious as a bull breed its just due to their size alone they cannot inflict the same type of life threatenning injuries as quickly.

It would not take much for any dog to inflict a mortal injury on a child.
 
Ah, I know I said I wouldn't come back to this, but FWIW kicking can agitate an attacking dog. Some of the 'owners' actually use that as a tactic to rile fighting dogs.

I know it is impulse, but throwing a large volume of water, jaw popping (only for the experienced and probably not effective for a bull breed), 'hanging' the dog (cutting off the air supply) by the collar or scruff and, er, something concerning the nether regions are 'better' ways to disengage an attacking dog.
 
IMHO I would be very surprised if the dog involved in this case was anything other than a bull/staffie type. Might consider a GSD type but as previously said ^^^ its unlikely to be a whippet or lab (for example) due to their 'lack of locking on jaws'. Any dog can bite, but its the ones who do not let go that are lethel.
I just hope that something will be done so we don't EVER have to hear this news again, don't know how but live in hope.
 
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Without wishing to go off on a tangent, no breed or size of dog should be allowed around small children unsupervised.

We let them into our homes, our lives, our family, but they are animals, and prey animals at that, no matter how small or fluffy or wrinkly or friendly we have made them.
The slightest noise, movement or gesture, no matter how small or insignificant, can make something happen in a dog's brain that we cannot know, see or understand, because, like I say, they are animals and have different - highly engrained, despite evolution and breeding - behaviours and thought processes.

While no one knows what happened here, this is why I hate seeing dogs and small children rolling around on the floor together in a heap, no matter how friendly the dog - it only takes a second.

Some of the most vicious dogs I have seen have been small and fluffy. If they were full sized and powerful, they would not be allowed to behave the way they do.

Dogs are dogs. Unwittingly or deliberately, it is human behaviour that has made them the way they are.

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Ditto.
The worst dog I have ever met was my mothers yorkie-went for my aunts danes and ment it
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Any dog is a danger to children,they simply should not be left together without an adult to keep an eye on them,and even then it's still a risk.

Poor,poor little boy
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Can't imagine how his parents are feeling.
 
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I totally agree but it's generally the fighting dogs that maul people to death. My sister was bitten in the face by a collie, I know only to well any dog can bite but the lethal dogs are the ones that don't stop when the person backs off

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I disagree. Circumstance and surrounding factors are a HUGE reason for these dogs being aggressive. They are used by the wrong people, in the wrong hands, bred badly and in most of these circumstances used as 'status' or 'guard' dogs. I do believe that you can make any dog 'aggressive' if you chose to. What makes it sad is the dogs you mention have a 'look'. You have no idea how distraught I am knowing that bull breeds in general are being destroyed in the public eye this way. I know of an older lady with a larger bull breed who was spat on the street, both her and her dog are in advancing years and have always been good citizens. The bigger pictuire needs to be looked at here. These dogs are suffering due to their look. NOT their personality. It is the irresponsibility of people that is to blame.

I have been brought up with bull breeds as a child, my first dog as an adult was a bull breed dog and he was the most gentle, kind soul ever to grace my life, my friends will account for that. I now have another three and it sickens me when society cannot see beyond what society is producing. My dogs are well socialised, obedient dogs.

You need to look at your statistics and not blame 'fighting' dogs as you call them. My son was bitten in the stomach last year by my friend's border collie and my husband was bitten in the face twice by the same dog not long after which drew blood and swelling on both occasions. She is still alive.

What I am trying to point out, I guess in a bad way is, please do not blame the dogs for the situation they are in, the way they are socialised and the indeterminate breeding they suffer. Or the irresponsbility at times of human beings. And don't pocket all bull breeds because of the same. I don't with every Border Collie.
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I know it is impulse, but throwing a large volume of water, jaw popping (only for the experienced and probably not effective for a bull breed), 'hanging' the dog (cutting off the air supply) by the collar or scruff and, er, something concerning the nether regions are 'better' ways to disengage an attacking dog.

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Or with an attacking dog, grab the hind legs and hoist upwards. the element of surprise and unbalance can cause a momentary lapse or a divert of attentiion. That is what I have been taught.
 
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