60 cattle horses about to get washed away!

The photos are graphic, don't be surprised if they get removed. :(

I think the RSPCA missed it because they weren't really interested and not working to full ability.

Tbh though I may get my head bitten off for this but I wouldn't have said that the chestnut is super skinny a bit lean yes but definitely not a welfare case yet. A few months down the line who knows.

Also not 100% sure how true this is but I've heard the owner is refusing help (i.e hay donations) this of course can be rumours.
 
Kokopelli said:
Tbh though I may get my head bitten off for this but I wouldn't have said that the chestnut is super skinny a bit lean yes but definitely not a welfare case yet. A few months down the line who knows.
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Not from me you won't. The majority of the horses I saw on the videos were very well covered, bit over porky for my tastes to be honest. Then there were a couple of leaner ones who were probably more tucked-up because they were wet and cold.
 
Its not so much a case of how skinny they are its the fact that one in so lame it cant walk others are hurt they swam a mile with no after care and some are coming on to 20 years old. left standing in wind and rain while soaking wet. its a real shame and I have been lobbying to help these animals since boxing day. I run a small rescue centre but live over 2 hours from the causeway site. its nice to see people offering so much help now, but I am still appalled at some of the members of this site they way they have belittled peoples efforts to help these horses and spent time insulting people. I was on site yesterday and saw what was going on the owners refused help repeatedly so we knew they were hiding something and they did admit to me that foals had died so today some brave souls went looking to see if it was true. A vet has now seen the remaining 17 horses and treated them.
We have to wait till tomorrow to see if the vet will rule to have the horses removed from the owners but until then the owner might come back and take them.
We can only hope that the horses will be safe till the vet decides there fate.
I will update as best I can and hope that the genuine people here are interested but any more abuse and I shall not waste my time.
 
Keep going, Peek a boo. The pictures speak for themselves. Are we looking at the same pictures, the person who says the horses aren't skinny? What about the dead ones? Are they skinny enough?
 
Don't think it was lack of food that killed them though. Not saying it's not appalling, it is and no horses should be left in the field the way it was and I take my hat off to people being helpful. But the chestnut in particular is not skinny, he isn't well covered and lacking muscle but not skinny.
 
those poor horses. Will the RSPCA now get involved, given the dead animals found? The condition of the others looked reasonable in most cases, but the environment in which they were kept was hideous. Seems like you have achieved a great deal, p a boo, and the other hardy souls helping. Especially the photographers - vital evidence of the owner's dreadful disregard for the safety and welfare of his horses.
 
The pictures of the dead horses are so sad, but I agree that the horses in the other pictures aren't horrendously under weight.

I think the most important thing with this whole situation is that the horses are now safe, or on course to being so, and it is a shame that people have been bickering about it all.

I would just like to say that I am aware that this is my first post on this forum, but I am not linked to the rescue in anyway, and I am certainly not a troll. :)

(I am in fact a lurker who has been lurking the forums for a few weeks due to being stuck on crummy night shifts, and am all the way down in Kent :) )
 
Landcruiser said:
Keep going, Peek a boo. The pictures speak for themselves. Are we looking at the same pictures, the person who says the horses aren't skinny? What about the dead ones? Are they skinny enough?
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You do realise that dead animals decompose and lose body matter don't you?!! Therefore appearing to be thin?;)
 
Not having been involved previously, I brought a spare rug to the site this evening following an urgent appeal via Equine Market Watch. My rug was immediately put on a spotty horse very much like the one in bennibones pic so I can vouch for the plight of these horses - even in the dark and from a distance you could see their ribs. Not only have they had to swim to safe ground, it was blowing a hooley last night and today so they are soaking wet and standing on the edge of what is basically a huge lake with no shelter. Thanks to the efforts of volunteers drawing attention to the case the remaining horses do now have rugs, hay and clean water. For anyone not familiar with the location, virtually all of the undeveloped land around this area is basically under water (all too visible on this clear moonlit night). Of course it would be, given the weather conditions, as it is a flood plain. No genuinely caring or professional owner would keep animals here in winter. The A40 high above at this point is a causeway which is a pretty big clue.
Well done to the folks from Causeway Horses for sticking with this for the sake of the abused and downtrodden and for making things happen. I am shocked at the nasty comments by some on here.
 
Oh for gods sake, is there anyone on here would have left their horses in that place for a month.

Is there anyone that thinks the conditions are acceptable.

If so then I am ashamed to be a member of the same forum.

Just how bad did it have to get.
 
As always a topic on horse and hound turns into an argument. Chill were all here for the same reason are we not?

If your here thinking your god, or your on drugs claiming this is an illusion Obama has something to say
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Moomincepie your comments have been really out of order all the way through this thread. Faced with pictures that give you evidence you still cant stop !

This whole issue was about the danger and the conditions the horses were being kept in not how much weight they had on them.
 
gingerarab said:
Moomincepie your comments have been really out of order all the way through this thread. Faced with pictures that give you evidence you still cant stop !

This whole issue was about the danger and the conditions the horses were being kept in not how much weight they had on them.
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Explain to me which comments have been out of order. Or merely just pointing out fact or asking for fact?

I have made one comment about weight on this thread. Stating that dead animals decompose and lose body matter after death. I did not comment on the weight of the live horses in question.
 
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You do realise that dead animals decompose and lose body matter don't you?!! Therefore appearing to be thin?;)
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Oh for goodness sake. I know the horses didn't die because they are thin! I was being sarcastic (spells it out).

I know these owners, I know the horses, and I know THEY know how to look after them, in normal circumstances. Things have clearly gone very wrong though, and the people who have spotted the problem and worked to help the horses are to be commended, not criticised! I hate these forum spats - where do you get off, being so negative and critical and downright petty?
 
Peekaboo, if you would stop hyping everything up - the horses did NOT swim a mile, nor did they swim down the river, they paddled and swam a few hundred metres in giant puddles - I might be more inclined to listen to you.

The photographs are awful, however it must be noted that it is not due to the flooding that this sorry state has occurred. That ground has only been back underwater for a week, the rest of the time since November it's been rather damp, but not flooded. In a way it's a good job there has been flooding and people have gotten nosy about it.

I still stand by my comments about the majority of the people who started making a fuss in the first place - vultures hoping to cash in on a freebie 'rescue' horse or argumentative young madams with nothing better to do. Peekaboo, I don't know f either applies to you, but from some of your comments on this thread, you've not come across brilliantly. Admittedly, I've not been my usual polite self, but I'm not trying to convince people to get on my side and help a cause :rolleyes:
 
Landcruiser said:
Oh for goodness sake. I know the horses didn't die because they are thin! I was being sarcastic (spells it out).

I know these owners, I know the horses, and I know THEY know how to look after them, in normal circumstances. Things have clearly gone very wrong though, and the people who have spotted the problem and worked to help the horses are to be commended, not criticised! I hate these forum spats - where do you get off, being so negative and critical and downright petty?
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How, in any way, was my comment about decomposing animals and body matter, negative, critical or petty? Enlighten me? It happens to be truth, I come across plenty of dead and rotting animals, and have stood in on plenty of post mortems, listening to plenty of veterinary pathologists and reading their reports.

If you are so sensitive as to get uppity about a comment like that then you need to go and lay in a darkened room with a cold flannel and calm down! ;)
 
Ditto DecemberBlossom's post - the abuse and vitriol aimed at local horse owners who didnt jump on the bandwagon of those "argumentative young madams" (nice phrase!) is totally unacceptable, and this is what has caused so much upset locally with this situation.

Doubtless there will be those who post and say that nothing would have been done unless those individuals had raised awareness; that is quite possibly the case, however it would have been far more helpful and beneficial for people to be mature enough to work together in the rescue of the horses instead of trying to score points against others on Facebook or internet forums.
 
Picklenash said:
There are far worse things that can happen to any animal than it is humanely destroyed, as this incident has proved.

Mind you, if you quote the DailyFail as a source......:rolleyes:
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You can believe it though. I've been keeping an out for 11 horses up for adoption on there website since February. An so far i have found 3. An by all means they said they would send us pictures of them. We never got them. So you could criticize or believe it is up to you.
 
I dont see the point of this thread anymore. The horses are safe (well I hope so)

We have trolls joining to post on it. And some long standing members are trying to defend these owners :mad:.

Concerned people were just after a free horse FFS :mad:

Not a good day for HHO
 
The horse's that were supposedly a tad 'fat'.. they have their winter coats, and if they're half as thick as my horse's coat, then looks can be deceiving, I personally think a lot of them are borderline, certainly leaning to towards far too thin. That appaloosa certainly was underweight:(
 
rockysmum said:
I dont see the point of this thread anymore. The horses are safe (well I hope so)

We have trolls joining to post on it. And some long standing members are trying to defend these owners :mad:.

Concerned people were just after a free horse FFS :mad:

Not a good day for HHO
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Just as a matter of interest Rockysmum, are you a member of the Gloucestershire Horse Riders group on FB? If not, then you will not know the full story of what has been happening.
 
rockysmum said:
I dont see the point of this thread anymore. The horses are safe (well I hope so)

We have trolls joining to post on it. And some long standing members are trying to defend these owners :mad:.

Concerned people were just after a free horse FFS :mad:

Not a good day for HHO
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Hope you ain't branding me a troll? I just like voicing my opinion an i have a profile on here already though in the confusion of the past year i have lost my piece of paper with my password.
 
maggie mae an storm said:
You can believe it though. I've been keeping an out for 11 horses up for adoption on there website since February. An so far i have found 3. An by all means they said they would send us pictures of them. We never got them. So you could criticize or believe it is up to you.
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Sorry, I'm really not trying to be rude, but what are you asking me here? If you are asking me whether I support the RSPCAs actions, no I definitely do not. They have been clearly shown to have not taken action here in a serious case.
 
To be honest I don't give a damm how you take my comments as anyone reading through will speak for its self! where the horses has to swim the current was taking them it was not a short swim in a puddle its very cold water I know I was in it a few days before helping a shetland pony! its cold are draining to a strong horse let alone old and ill animals. I am glad you still feel the need to belittle what people are trying to do just shows what sort of person you are.
I have no wish for anything only to see these horses safe and spent the day trying to find centres to take them in as mine is full! Now I am off to bed as I was up till midnight trying to help last night.
 
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