60 cattle horses about to get washed away!

Another case of too little, too late from the RSPCA.....
This has been going on since November.....
Sickening but at least now these scumbags will be watched, hopefully more closely!
If the RSPCA do get their act together I am sure there is enough evidence for a case to ban him keeping anmals but if he is like all the rest any future beasts will just be `owned` by other family members.


Couldn`t agree more ........ may i just point out this article from the 29th of November:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-20539048


and i quote: "An RSPCA spokesperson said a flotation platform was also needed to take the vet to the horses and there was concern for a few foals in the herd."


This says it all in my opinion ..... especially as at least 2 of these foals are now dead .... :mad:
 
I applaud all those that are helping but fear these poor beasts are just having the agony of life prolonged :-(
The scum that own these animals will never changed

Milkmaid, I am in no way defending the owners (and if you read my previous posts here, you'll know that I find the current situation unforgivable, and I fully support the rescue action). I just want to say that I do know the owners - I bought my first horse from them, and my second had also been bought from them before I had him. Those horses aren't traveller horses, auction buys, whatever. They are mostly biddable, clever, tough criollo riding and working horses. With a little bit of feeding and health care, most of them can go on to be just what they were meant to be...don't give up on them!

Until recently, the horses have been in decent condition, and as far as I know, looked after at least adequately. The owners are very experienced with criollos, and seem to genuinely care about the breed. Things have clearly gone very wrong recently and it's a shame they didn't ask for help before it came to this.
 
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There have been some downright nasty posts on here and I can't believe anyone could try and justify the conditions those horses have been kept in. Whether they look skinny at the moment or not is pretty irrelevant IMHO. Since this area last flooded in November I can't believe conditions can have improved much in the intervening time as it's largely remained somewhere between damp, and monsoon like! If people hadn't intervened - how much longer would they have remained there? How skinny would they have to become before you feel action should be taken? Are the owners only reacting now because their hand has been forced anyway? Really surprised at some of the sentiment on here. Sure it's wet and muddy everywhere at the moment but would you really leave your horses in such conditions? And as for jokes about decomposing bodies of young horses .... really??

I don't know any of the people involved in trying to help, despite being relatively local, no comment to make on personalities involved (which to me is pretty bloody irrelevant anyway!) just glad that something has been done and I hope the authorities will take action against owners. If I can offer any practical help, I'm more than happy to do so

Agree with this. There have been some shocking posts on this thread. If you don't want to get involved, don't, but don't criticise those that do. If my horses were stuck like that, and I had let them become stuck (feet of water don't appear in a nano second, it creeps up) then I would deserve the criticism and appreciate the help.

Glad to hear some sensible, experienced people got involved, and didn't listen to the "they're fine" brigade.

And what the heck does being a regular poster have to do with the ability to talk sense!!??
 
I heard the dead foals were pts by rspca and owner told to sort disposal of bodies which obviously he didn't. Not sure of true as there's a lot of rumours going around.
 
FWIW I think if you help with this situation good on you. You should not be critizied for helping poor animals out of this horrid situation. My views on the RSPCA is not worth the time.


If I lived nearer to these poor horses I would be down there in a shot doing what ever I could to help.
How can so called horse people critizise people for giving up their time their resources to help a creature in need. If you don't want to help then go about your life and leave those who are willing or wanting to help.

in a big thread like this you always get the wants the point why bother posts from those sad individuals.

The video and pictures are heart breaking :(
 
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Read this thread from top to bottom. Can not believe my eyes. Some people are certainly eating a lot of humble pie.
A huge well done to the people helping these poor horses.
If anyone needs my help, please PM me, I'll be over in a heart beat.
 
I heard the dead foals were pts by rspca and owner told to sort disposal of bodies which obviously he didn't. Not sure of true as there's a lot of rumours going around.

Their is also a She involved who is featured in a rspca clip being interviewed and not trying to defend the owners in any way if they couldnt get live horses out how are they going to get carcasses out.
 
Can't believe some of the comments on here.

The fact that people got up off their arses to try to make things better for these horses is to be commended.

The fact that dead animals have been found (PTS or otherwise) and NOT been disposed of correctly is outrageous.

The fact that it has had to take a lot of foot stamping and shouting to raise awareness is also outrageous, give people a break who actually CARE enough to do something about it. If it had been my neck of the woods, I would have done the same thing.
 
I know nothing on this case and certainly not defending it. But honey08.. we have a local village which is built on flood plains. Had lots of new builds as not flooded in a very long time (over my lifetime). When it did flood a few years back there were sheds completely submerged in a number of days, the first day alone saw feet of water. It was very fast and very few people managed to move anything out, let alone a large number of animals. Ironically it's not been touched in all the rain this year.

Well done to all those helping. Regardless of who or what has happened it's the horses right now that should be priority.
 
I know nothing on this case and certainly not defending it. But honey08.. we have a local village which is built on flood plains. Had lots of new builds as not flooded in a very long time (over my lifetime). When it did flood a few years back there were sheds completely submerged in a number of days, the first day alone saw feet of water. It was very fast and very few people managed to move anything out, let alone a large number of animals. Ironically it's not been touched in all the rain this year.

Well done to all those helping. Regardless of who or what has happened it's the horses right now that should be priority.

Fair enough, sometimes it does happen quickly then, but generally speaking you would surely have time to do something? If you live on floodplain, surely you would have a just in case plan, I think I would. I'm lucky enough to live in an area that is always boggy and wet but never floods, touch wood!
 
This whole thread has been one of the most sickening and sad I've seen - not only on the state of the horses (and we flood here so I know what I'm talking about); but also because of the appalling negative attitude, bitchiness and insensitivity displayed by some of the posters. You will know who you are, and in my book you are a disgrace to the riding community.

Well LandCruiser, Peek-a-boo, TeamChaser and others. Thank God there are still some true horsemen about.

At the end of the day I couldn't care a **** about trolls, Facebook, GRH versus whoever. There were 60 horses in a rotten place, and if it hadn't been for people speaking up and kicking up a fuss, things would have just gone from bad to worse.
 
As I said it's never happened in my lifetime nor anyone else I spoke to, and not this year. There are no rivers on the doorstep of the flooded houses and people got relaxed about it. There were many including friends of mine who werent even aware of it.
It's one thing I'm so cautious about is finding plains and making sure that I'm covered for flooding but for many it's not something to think about.
There's a lovely place near us called water meadpws. A London couple bough it and the back garden ends in a river that frequently floods they had no knowledge of this and hadn't crossed their minds it would be a problem.
I live opposite a place called flood meadows... Which I've never seen the river even near bursting let alone flooding level.
To move 60horses is a big thing... I've not read the story (am on phone) but could see the problem becoming over whelming and the situation getting out of control quickly.
I've emergency land for my lot but have nowhere near that amount and would still not happen overnight. I also wouldn't be putting them deep littered in barns as suggested on the fb page as the barns are surrounded by water. They'd be enclosed with flooding all around, not the safest place to be.
 
These people have moved back to near where they used to live a few years ago, they were well liked and the horses were well cared for. It sounds like things got out of control and very fast. I heard over a month ago that they were trying to rent where they are now, so i dont think they were ignoring the situation, trying to find somewhere that would be able to take all the horses. A huge undertaking. The foals were pts 2 weeks ago (been confirmed) and the bodies werent disposed of but when half your place is underwater i can imagine more serious things were on their mind. Thankfully, they are now on dry ground & safe from futher flood plains.
 
I have lived on the edge of a flood plain for the past 23 years and fields that have never flooded in that time have flooded this year. I have just purchased 14 acres which I bought in January, its been in the same family for years and looking at the lie of the ground perhaps 30-40 years a go they put in drainage ditchs which because they have never been needed have filled up and the surrrounding ground raised so I have spent the last two days trying to make channels to get the water away.
I am lucky in that I have concrete yards to put my animals but if I have bought/rented land without these I would be in deep ****, as it is its taking 3 times as long to feed because of the mud.
There is a saying 'there for the grace of god go I', and I can not for the life of me understand why anyone would criticise someone for showing concern wether they thought it jusified or not, there are plenty of people who are happy to think,'its not my problem'. As always internet forums are such an education in human nature
 
Nicky Turner-Sterling
Hi everyone, Thanks for being patient, I have been down with the horses since 8am and have only just got home after winding down our 'operation'. Several things we wanted to be achieved have been achieved which has been great.

Firstly we wanted the plight of the horses to be highlighted to ensure that they were taken off the small island they were on, at the barns. As obviously this was a potentially really bad situation for them. The fire service were wonderful in this, in that once they could see how bad the situation was, they mobilised their team, to have the horses moved, and supported the owners to ensure this was done safely (ie no one drowned). The failure at this point was that none of the horses, once swum across received any veterinary care, and were left in freezing cold and very wet conditions, soaked through, with no water. It was apparent at this point, that whilst many of the criollo horses were not suffering weight condition wise (criollos are excellent dooers and hold their meat) there were many who were struggling to walk, hobbling, hopping lame, eye infections, open wounds etc. The non criollo breeds (for example one of the appaloosa's) WERE under weight. Hence why there was a mixture of conditions there, some obviously being worse than others. When it became apparent that they were not being provided basic care by the owners IE: vet care, fresh water, hay. This then became our next priority.

Thanks to the donation from Animal Aid a vet was provided last night at their cost. Due to the generosity of some amazing people turning up to help us, we were able to supply the horses with hay (provided for by the horse community) rugs to help keep them dry and warm (again donated by the horse community) and fresh water was provided by a very kind man from Severn Trent who put a tap in for us. Plus lots of love and kindness was poured into these animals by everyone involved, who were hands on at the site. Ensuring that whilst the horses were on site they were given the best care that we could possibly provide them. There are things going on in the background I cant discuss for legal reasons, but this is definitely not the end of this.

The RSPCA's failure in this case has been a HUGE lack of communication. I have a very lengthy discussion with the 2 officers who attended the site today, and got my point across. Whilst some of you guys are being very anti the RSPCA, they are not blind the fact that this situation, especially from the owners point of view, could have been handled much better (in that he could have done more to ensure their safety). They also I feel, have taken the owners word for many things (which were essentially untrue), which I feel they should not have done, but this is to be addressed at a later date. We did set them straight on quite a few things, as the owner had been lying to them about certain things, like saying he had provided basic care etc and he hadn't, and they were under the impression it was him that had provided the vet care, when it wasn't.

We were hoping to prove a welfare case for the remaining animals yesterday, as some, especially the non criollo breeds were in very poor condition (underweight, hopping lame etc) but unfortunately this became impossible when in the night, he took the worst cases away! :( Making it hard for us to prove the welfare case we had set up yesterday, with the help of the vet, police etc, who were due to attend today.

We had 2 vets attend to the horses this morning who donated their time, who were able to give them small treatments to ease suffering which was awesome. The welfare agencies who are involved will be attending and following up their standard of care etc. So this is not the end of it from their point of view, they will be ensuring the horses have continued good care.

The sad truth is that many of these horses are destined for the specialised meat trade. :(

Regarding the dead foals, it was confirmed to me today that these foals had been pts due to contracting salmonella. How they contracted it...well this can be from other horses, contaminated feed, contaminated stabling areas, from the ground or water, stress, many things. Obviously their conditions were less than ideal and being foals they would have been more susceptible. PPL on site were warned to disinfect themselves and boots etc. The bodys should not have been dumped, and again the owner lied to the RSPCA saying someone had come to collect them, and we had stopped them, and having been there yesterday all day, we know this not to be true. Personally I had also tried to get the environment agency involved to dispose of them correctly, as they are on a water causeway, and so that was just rubbish plain and simple.

Everything we set out to achieve initially, we achieved, whilst due to the removal of the worst cases, we were unable to prove a welfare case. I am extremely proud of the whole horse community who came together to try and provide a good and LOVING and KIND standard of care to these beautiful, sad animals. All of you who came down to be hands on, should be immensely proud of yourselves, seriously. Also there have been many many welfare agencies involved like horse watch, and WHW and bridgend and VANAH who have been amazing in providing background assistance, phone calls, emails, etc etc and some attending the site today. They will continue the work that we are unable to do. As previously said due to legal reasons I cant tell you whats going on, but this is not the end of the plight of these horses.

Thank you to everyone who provided your time, money, food, hay, rugs, and even hot drinks and food for the volunteers. I just don't think Thanks is adequate. I am totally over whelmed by the kindness I have seen over the last few days. Its like I said today, with all the hate and vileness in this world, it makes a refreshing change and a wonderful sight to see a community pull together like this. You are all AMAZING. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

Please note I am ill I have bronchitis and a chest infection, which was making me quite poorly at the site today, on top of a chronic illness (I have M.E). I am exhausted and have struggled all day. I will try to answer questions as much as possible, but I need to rest. So please be patient.

Just an admin note: I will not be allowing this group to be used to slander and attack, abuse anyone.Trolling will not be tolerated. This is not what CH is about, its about welfare of horses, and will be continued for this. If your not here for that, you will be removed. I hate to be harsh, but have seen a few trolling posts and abuse and this is not what I want for the group. Debate yes, be passionate and caring yes. Abusive, vile, mean, attacking. NO. Personal details of ANYONE are not to be shared on this site, and will be removed. I am asking for your cooperation, as some of the things posted on this group, did not help our case at all, as it was being monitored by the authorities. Failure to comply will result in your removal. Thanks.
 
This whole thread has been one of the most sickening and sad I've seen - not only on the state of the horses (and we flood here so I know what I'm talking about); but also because of the appalling negative attitude, bitchiness and insensitivity displayed by some of the posters. You will know who you are, and in my book you are a disgrace to the riding community.

Well LandCruiser, Peek-a-boo, TeamChaser and others. Thank God there are still some true horsemen about.

At the end of the day I couldn't care a **** about trolls, Facebook, GRH versus whoever. There were 60 horses in a rotten place, and if it hadn't been for people speaking up and kicking up a fuss, things would have just gone from bad to worse.

Hear hear.




Nicky Turner-Sterling
Hi everyone, Thanks for being patient, I have been down with the horses since 8am and have only just got home after winding down our 'operation'. Several things we wanted to be achieved have been achieved which has been great.

Firstly we wanted the plight of the horses to be highlighted to ensure that they were taken off the small island they were on, at the barns. As obviously this was a potentially really bad situation for them. The fire service were wonderful in this, in that once they could see how bad the situation was, they mobilised their team, to have the horses moved, and supported the owners to ensure this was done safely (ie no one drowned). The failure at this point was that none of the horses, once swum across received any veterinary care, and were left in freezing cold and very wet conditions, soaked through, with no water. It was apparent at this point, that whilst many of the criollo horses were not suffering weight condition wise (criollos are excellent dooers and hold their meat) there were many who were struggling to walk, hobbling, hopping lame, eye infections, open wounds etc. The non criollo breeds (for example one of the appaloosa's) WERE under weight. Hence why there was a mixture of conditions there, some obviously being worse than others. When it became apparent that they were not being provided basic care by the owners IE: vet care, fresh water, hay. This then became our next priority.

Thanks to the donation from Animal Aid a vet was provided last night at their cost. Due to the generosity of some amazing people turning up to help us, we were able to supply the horses with hay (provided for by the horse community) rugs to help keep them dry and warm (again donated by the horse community) and fresh water was provided by a very kind man from Severn Trent who put a tap in for us. Plus lots of love and kindness was poured into these animals by everyone involved, who were hands on at the site. Ensuring that whilst the horses were on site they were given the best care that we could possibly provide them. There are things going on in the background I cant discuss for legal reasons, but this is definitely not the end of this.

The RSPCA's failure in this case has been a HUGE lack of communication. I have a very lengthy discussion with the 2 officers who attended the site today, and got my point across. Whilst some of you guys are being very anti the RSPCA, they are not blind the fact that this situation, especially from the owners point of view, could have been handled much better (in that he could have done more to ensure their safety). They also I feel, have taken the owners word for many things (which were essentially untrue), which I feel they should not have done, but this is to be addressed at a later date. We did set them straight on quite a few things, as the owner had been lying to them about certain things, like saying he had provided basic care etc and he hadn't, and they were under the impression it was him that had provided the vet care, when it wasn't.

We were hoping to prove a welfare case for the remaining animals yesterday, as some, especially the non criollo breeds were in very poor condition (underweight, hopping lame etc) but unfortunately this became impossible when in the night, he took the worst cases away! :( Making it hard for us to prove the welfare case we had set up yesterday, with the help of the vet, police etc, who were due to attend today.

We had 2 vets attend to the horses this morning who donated their time, who were able to give them small treatments to ease suffering which was awesome. The welfare agencies who are involved will be attending and following up their standard of care etc. So this is not the end of it from their point of view, they will be ensuring the horses have continued good care.

The sad truth is that many of these horses are destined for the specialised meat trade. :(

Regarding the dead foals, it was confirmed to me today that these foals had been pts due to contracting salmonella. How they contracted it...well this can be from other horses, contaminated feed, contaminated stabling areas, from the ground or water, stress, many things. Obviously their conditions were less than ideal and being foals they would have been more susceptible. PPL on site were warned to disinfect themselves and boots etc. The bodys should not have been dumped, and again the owner lied to the RSPCA saying someone had come to collect them, and we had stopped them, and having been there yesterday all day, we know this not to be true. Personally I had also tried to get the environment agency involved to dispose of them correctly, as they are on a water causeway, and so that was just rubbish plain and simple.

Everything we set out to achieve initially, we achieved, whilst due to the removal of the worst cases, we were unable to prove a welfare case. I am extremely proud of the whole horse community who came together to try and provide a good and LOVING and KIND standard of care to these beautiful, sad animals. All of you who came down to be hands on, should be immensely proud of yourselves, seriously. Also there have been many many welfare agencies involved like horse watch, and WHW and bridgend and VANAH who have been amazing in providing background assistance, phone calls, emails, etc etc and some attending the site today. They will continue the work that we are unable to do. As previously said due to legal reasons I cant tell you whats going on, but this is not the end of the plight of these horses.

Thank you to everyone who provided your time, money, food, hay, rugs, and even hot drinks and food for the volunteers. I just don't think Thanks is adequate. I am totally over whelmed by the kindness I have seen over the last few days. Its like I said today, with all the hate and vileness in this world, it makes a refreshing change and a wonderful sight to see a community pull together like this. You are all AMAZING. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

Please note I am ill I have bronchitis and a chest infection, which was making me quite poorly at the site today, on top of a chronic illness (I have M.E). I am exhausted and have struggled all day. I will try to answer questions as much as possible, but I need to rest. So please be patient.

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Thank you for the update.
 
Im glad something was done and contunies to be looked into.

Hooray for the welfare agencies locals etc. I have lived on a flood plain and there are plenty of warnings in place by the environment agency, amber and red alert and evacuate houses (sandbags the lot). This was in Hertfordshire too(not many people would think this would happen here..but the Thames barrier in place it has happened just less frequently nowadays but still happened...unfortunately houses have been built on old flood plains more so, since Thames barrier but they will always flood out of London if barrier is breached..I digress sorry). I am at a loss to think this happened overnight, the rain we have had has been long and sustained for many weeks now. Thats what is sad about the whole thing. There have been other incidents along the Severn and its sad it came to this for all concerned. We have all this legislation and welfare in place but still it happens and wont be the last time. Owner excuses are just pathetic when there must have been chances to stop this mess.
 
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