A new one on me, SPRINGBATTS!

Tarrsteps-I just had a phone call from a 'Akitamute' owner today( am a dog groomer) was quite flabbergasted by it!!!
 
I have to agree that these 'designer' crosses are ridiculous and I can't believe anyone would pay so much money for one when there are so many dogs in rescue centres. I also cannot understand why they are being bred deliberately.
I had a genuine Heniz 57 who was put to sleep 4 years ago at the age of 18. She was healthy most of her life apart from a few dental problem. I wouldn't even like to guess what breeds she was made from. I also owned a miniature schnauzer cross Lhasa apso who again was healthy until he developed a liver tumor and was put to sleep at 14 two years ago. He was the result of an accidental mating between 2 neighbours' dogs. I am sure he would be given a fancy name if he were bred now. I now own a Leonberger who we bought after lots of careful research (both into the breed and the breeder). We did pay a substantial amount of money for her, but responsible breeding does cost a lot. We have no intention of breeding from her and she is due to be spayed soon. We did have a brief scare last year when we discovered our neighbours entire rough collie had been squeezing through a gap in the hedge. A collieberger perhaps!
 
Dobiegirl said:
http://manorroyspringbatts.webs.com/apps/guestbook/


Read the comment from Pam who is the breeder I believe and her reasoning as to why they are not health tested.:rolleyes:

Its page 2.
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This one?;-
We could in the distant future if we wished to, register them as a new breed with the KC as we have the pedigrees going back over many generations, but why would we wish to do that when people would then be producing dogs from a small gene pool causing health problems as happens with many of the pedigree breeds. You are right, health tests are not as necessary with so called "MUTTS" because again, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE INBRED BREED RELATED PROBLEMS that pedigrees have.
I am not commenting any further on this subject as this is a happy friendly website for people that like " Mutts" and if you dont like what we are doing, stop looking at the website !! Any further comments will be removed. Springbatt owners make their own minds up about whether to buy a dog , no-one forces them."

Spoken like a true puppy farmer! What a load of tosh and shows true disregard for the pups they produce. Purely in it for the money.
 
Did you see the post there from someone who had just purchased an eight week old mongrel and could someone tell them about this "breed"?

They should have been told all about this cross before buying one. But they believed the puppy farmer.

To the poster above - why would a search for a dog needing < 5 miles a day bring up a cross between two breeds each of which is capable of 20 miles plus per day?
 
Why are people on this thread saying that the breeding stock are health tested, when the breeder themselves has admitted that they are not?

That says it all for me. There is only one reason why people don't health test breeding stock in this day and age.

But if you want to pay that amount of money for an unknown quantity healthwise, when health tests costs a fraction of the puppy price, fill your boots :)
 
CaveCanem said:
Why are people on this thread saying that the breeding stock are health tested, when the breeder themselves has admitted that they are not?

That says it all for me. There is only one reason why people don't health test breeding stock in this day and age.

But if you want to pay that amount of money for an unknown quantity healthwise, when health tests costs a fraction of the puppy price, fill your boots :)
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Well I asked twice (as I'm sure at least one other did) and was ignored! They have been given the line that because they are cross breeds they are healthy and they have believed it.
 
I think the quote given by s4sugar from the website is,quite frankly,indefensible:(
They have their eye firmly on the £££ prize and not on the puppies,whatever they say.:(
 
Wow, well done S4Sugar - once again inflamed a discussion that was perfectly civilised whilst you were absent...

(Btw. The owner of the 8 week old who wanted to know about the breed didnt get his dog from there, which is why he was looking for information)

I wonder if you guys actually know what you are doing to someone when you accuse them of running a puppy farm based on zero evidence other than a quick look at a website and an overdose of arrogance.

But it's easy to send personal attacks and threatening messages via the internet, isn't it - hiding behind a facade of righteousness.

If the wellbeing of those puppies is so questionable, why don't you go and have a look for yourself?

You can be against breeding mutts.
And you for sure should be against puppy farms.

But you don't have the right to slander random people in your quest to show off what a well-informed 'savvy' dog person you are, without any actual knowledge.
I know the breeder, you don't. I own the dog, you don't. I had my dog checked, you haven't. So how come you are 3 days older than god regarding my choice of dog which is frankly none of your business?

I am actually feeling ashamed, that my harmless original post, wanting to share what a wonderful dog I have and respond to the slightly humorous 'what the heck is a springbatt' querie has somehow led to some of you thinking they have the right to bombard a person they know nothing about with anonymous email insults and threats and - how lovely - threaten their dogs.

Really impressed. True animal lovers, through and through.
 
But there is evidence.

More than three breeds of dogs being bred, no health testing and working at this full time.

There are people on here who do breed and for example murphys minder who spent a good year planning that litter and seeking that stud dog.

Many of us know what's in rescue right now, many of us are seeking to create stronger lines within breeds and personally I have every right to question someone churning out puppy's enough to make a living on.

Just because we use the word puppy farm doesn't automatically mean cages packed of pups and bitches having litter upon litter but does mean too many litters.

There is someone here where i live who breeds a litter of retriever x labs as they seem to make good family pets, started with one litter now has two bitches one litter yearly, to me back yard breeder no matter how well that dog is cared for that's 9 extra lives a year into a country brimming with unwanted pets!

I just can't agree with someone who breeds x breeds and asks £500 + for the animal with no health testing.

Sure your dog is lovely, I have two very healthy cross breeds, but I didn't pay £500 + for them and a fancy name.
 
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Oh dear. This gets worse! How are people taken in by these 'breeders' ?!
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I think you have just been answered :)

People refuse to believe that thay have been conned by clever marketing and the person who produced their dogs who I quoted above has, of course, only their best interests in mind despite, as quoted, having no such plan.

Please, Jhanami, read what is written and not what you want to believe.

FWIW any chance of hybrid vigour would be removed as soon as the original crosses were bred from. Inbreeding doesn't cause inherited problems, it only increases the chance of recessive genes becoming obvious. These crooses cannot become a KC breed - the requirements are far from met and the seller knows this- it is just another smokescreen.

Do we know what we are doing? Hopefully we are stopping irresponsible breeding or at making people think before supporting a commercial breeder. Puppy farms are not all in barns in Wales as commercial breeders are often out in the open, as are Pet Shops selling puppies ( & people, stupidly, buy from pet shops too).

Puppies should be bred with an aim other than to sell. This may be to work, show or even as a one off for the next generation in that home but just turning out multiple litters purely for sale as pets is puppy farming. As for evidence - it is on their own website and in their own words.
 
I haven't called anybody anything actually or slandered anyone, I was asking about health tests and I wondered how they can charge that amount for a puppy without health tests on the parents. Like I say, it's your life, your money, fill your boots, if you're happy with your dog and happy that you paid that amount of money for him then it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks.

I am an animal lover, I love my dog, I love my dog enough to pay for health tests to make sure he is healthy enough to do the work that I would like him to do without damaging him and I have a JOB to pay for carrying out those health tests.
If I need more cash I will take on more jobs and more work and I would go hungry before I would breed from him.

Loving animals and asking why people who say they love animals and call themselves breeders, can't even cough up for a health test, are not mutually exclusive!
 
Hmm, I was wondering why there had been only 54 comments in 6 years, but presume that is because negative comments have been removed. Also I hope the breeder got in touch with the person who commented that their pup was "jumping on and off the sofa every 2 seconds", not a good thing for any pup and certainly not for one with the bassett shape.
 
Forgot to say she was from health checked parents, breeder owns both parents and showed vet certificates for both to my sister before she bought her. There are responsible breeders of cross breed dogs just as there are irresponsible breeders of pedigree dogs.
 
Jhanami said:
I wonder if you guys actually know what you are doing to someone when you accuse them of running a puppy farm based on zero evidence other than a quick look at a website and an overdose of arrogance.

But it's easy to send personal attacks and threatening messages via the internet, isn't it - hiding behind a facade of righteousness.

But you don't have the right to slander random people in your quest to show off what a well-informed 'savvy' dog person you are, without any actual knowledge.
I know the breeder, you don't. I own the dog, you don't. I had my dog checked, you haven't. So how come you are 3 days older than god regarding my choice of dog which is frankly none of your business?
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Firstly, I don't think anyone is hiding behind the tinterweb, I'm pretty sure everyone would say this to the breeders face ;)

You know the breeder - we don't comment - well, exactly! You're seeing this through the eyes of someone who loves the puppy they bought from someone who breeds x-breeds (for "a living", if someone is doing something 'for a living' they are doing it for profit, this has been covered!). It's great that you love your pup, but that doesn't make it OK.

The bottom line is that you exchanged alot of money for a puppy from people who possibly compromised the long-term health of these dogs to save some cash. I hope that your pup has a long, healthy life - along with all its other siblings, but I wish even moreso that these people would , for the love of god, just stop breeding.
 
I see the site is 'under construction' now anyway.

Akita-mute .............. someone was up for a challenge weren't they!!!
 
So they're crossing a breed that ought to be tested for HD with a heavier breed? Hmm, caring! :rolleyes:

They are puppy farming, ok, not 20 litters a year, small scale but still using the dogs to make money. Not ethical, IMO.

The excuses for not health testing are pathetic and to say they could be registered with the KC is pure fantasy.

I'm sure the puppies, as all puppies, are delightful, but I see no point in this cross.

Did anyone else notice the comment re discount on food from the vet? *Sits on hands*
 
Trouble is, coming on here and defending such a breeder, who, whichever way you look at it, is not breeding ethically or to improve lines and is purely in it for money, is going to inflame people who do breed ethically and who research properly. It will also upset those who work in rescue and who are seeing increasing amounts of designer crosses being handed in. There are no guarantees when two breeds are crossed. I'm slightly amazed that there's no poodle crosses on the website with claims that ALL puppies are non shedding :p
 
My Dalmatian I rescued through Facebook was bred by these kennels.

I have her pedigree and other paperwork but there is no mention of her being BAER tested and she is deaf.

Both my other two, from different breeders, have their test results.

Perhaps we should be glad they aren't breeding Daladors!!
 
I did notice about the discount on food CT, but decided to let it pass. Some of these vet "payment plans" do seem very cheap, they have to make the money back somewhere. ;)
 
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"But we thought that as they have shorter backs and smaller ears than a basset, and longer straighter legs this would actually cut down, if not eliminate the health problems associated with these parts of the body"

Oh, that's alright then.
 
Just had a look at the labs on their website, 2 litters of pups, one 8 weeks old on 7th April, one ready (so presume 8 weeks) on 13th April, don't breed a lot eh!

They are a bit coy about pedigrees of their pups, but there are 2 stud dogs on there who according to the kc website have had no health tests. It seems they also rehome their breeding stock when no longer wanted, to me that says the dogs are not part of their family but a commodity.:(
 
I did spot the food discount but like MM I let it go, I do feel sorry for the op who has been well and truely sucked in. Lets hope it has given them food for thought and they are open minded enough to read the evidence and come to the right conclusion.

I forgot to say the endorsements wont matter a jot because they are not a breed and cant be registered with the KC anyway, so if buyers of pups decided what a nice little earner whats to stop them.
 
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Cedars said:
"But we thought that as they have shorter backs and smaller ears than a basset, and longer straighter legs this would actually cut down, if not eliminate the health problems associated with these parts of the body"

Oh, that's alright then.
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Wow. Now that's science.

Reminds me of what breeders of 'old fashioned, big boned, straight backed' GSDs often say.

'Big GSDs like the ones you remember from your childhood'
(They weren't bigger. You were smaller)
'Straight backed GSDs do not get hip dysplasia so we don't need to test for it'
(So how come Rottweilers, Labs and Golden Retrievers do?!)
 
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