A new one on me, SPRINGBATTS!

jodie3 said:
My Dalmatian I rescued through Facebook was bred by these kennels.

I have her pedigree and other paperwork but there is no mention of her being BAER tested and she is deaf.

Both my other two, from different breeders, have their test results.

Perhaps we should be glad they aren't breeding Daladors!!
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Interesting (so a so called (fabulous) breeders dog ended up for REHOME on FACEBOOK:rolleyes: and it's got none of the responsible health tests and its DEAF!!! how very responsible of that breeder.:mad:

Thank the lord you ended up with the dog, why is there no Dalmation chat page then where all the dalmations are kept an eye on and have a merry chat about the fantastic breeders and their constant and (back up) support from their money making ventures of the 4 legged kind:rolleyes:

I just dumfounded people are so gullible, I would expect a child to want such a dog and call it by such a ridiculous name and chuckle as they say it (but adults):confused:
 
They don't seem to have any hips scores for the Labs or Dalmatians but are advertising a very poorly constructed, mismarked, dog as BAER tested which I suppose is a start. His main claim to fame is siring larger litters!
Looks like the Setter lab crosses were not a commercial success and they sold off their GSD bitches in 2009.
It appears whenever "Springbatt" is mentioned on a forum you get people claiming they are the best "breed" (sic) ever and posters are slanderous or threatening - even when they clearly are not. The subject of ruining someones livelihood usually rears it's head too.
I suppose it is human nature to go defensive when you realise you've been a dingbat and supported a con but a lot of people on here spend a lot of time ( & often their own money) picking up the pieces of the mess irresponsible breeders make.

BTW how about this wonderful mutt?
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Its a picture of a Basset x springer I was sent some time ago by someone on the waiting list for an active (to go jogging with) Basset hound.
We had to say that those limbs would probably make this poor dog unsuitable for him and could forsee the potential of lots of pain in the future. Fortunately a racing model Basset came in soon after and the match was perfect.
 
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If your paying a lot of money for a dog get it vetted by your own vet before you pay for it. You wouldn't buy a horse without a basic check. Queen Anne legs are for tables not for dogs.
 
If your livelihood is breeding cattle, you are a cattle farmer.

If your livelihood is breeding puppies.......

Adding fluffy bits, does not stop puppy farming unhealth-tested pups,from being anything but negligent and wrong.

When will the general public stop thinking that mixing 2 breeds cancels out breed specific health problems??
 
Inthemud said:
If your livelihood is breeding cattle, you are a cattle farmer.

If your livelihood is breeding puppies.......

Adding fluffy bits, does not stop puppy farming unhealth-tested pups,from being anything but negligent and wrong.

When will the general public stop thinking that mixing 2 breeds cancels out breed specific health problems??
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*Like* :D
 
Kaylum said:
If your paying a lot of money for a dog get it vetted by your own vet before you pay for it. You wouldn't buy a horse without a basic check. Queen Anne legs are for tables not for dogs.
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Whilst this probably isn't that practical (all bar one of Evie's pups went over an hour away from here, one to Spain!), responsible breeders will have had puppies checked by their own vet and will give new owners a contact number, and also most state in their Puppy Sales Contract that the new owner should take the pup to their own vet within a certain number of days to be checked.

Inthemud, great post.:D
 
*shakes head in disbelief *

The really sad thing about this new craze is at the end of the day, it's the dogs who suffer - those accidental crosses who stay in kennels because a naive doglover is ill informed and duped into paying a silly price for a puppy who should never have deliberately bred, and these designer dogs themselves who may end up with health problems because testing would have eaten into the profit of the breeder (some of their reasons for not doing so are, quite simply, disillusional - it's so often obvious that the emphasis is on money to be made, despite the excuses).

Unfortunately, not only are the dogs being bred here, adding to our existing problem, but litters of pups are being imported from abroad by folk jumping on the bandwagon to make a fast buck, potentially filling up our rehoming centres even more.

With the crazy choice of breeds being crossed (GSD x Malamutes seems to be another popular one, I also heard of another involving two hugely powerful breeds, but can't remember which - something like mastif cross rottie!) it probably won't be long before some of these sweet healthy crossbreeds will be labelled dangerous designer dogs.
 
fallenangel123 said:
There is a puppy farm near us that breeds them, un registered 'pedigrees' and a wide selection of whateverpoos as well. Currently on preloved they have about £14000 worth of puppies advertised!
Wonder if the taxman knows?
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You can always let him know , the taxman I mean.
 
MurphysMinder said:
Whilst this probably isn't that practical (all bar one of Evie's pups went over an hour away from here, one to Spain!), responsible breeders will have had puppies checked by their own vet and will give new owners a contact number, and also most state in their Puppy Sales Contract that the new owner should take the pup to their own vet within a certain number of days to be checked.

Inthemud, great post.:D
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So they say many say they have had their injections, again I will point out many don't. What paper work is there for vet checking? None and injection labels are easy faked.

What buyers don't understand about health tests etc is that these are so important for the dogs well being and their insurance and pocket.
 
I wouldn't say a vacc card and batch numbers are that easy to fake, but it should be simple to check, the card should be stamped with vets name so potential new owner can phone and check. With health tests people should ask to see actual certificates , it is also possible to go on KC site and check.
I am not sure how to get buyers to understand how to buy healthy puppies, it seems people see cute pups and common sense goes out of the window :(
 
I am not very well up on dog breeding but you have got me worried, I bought my purebred springer from a very reputable breeder of working gun dogs who has a litter usually every other year. This was confirmed by someone I know who had a pup from the same litter as mine who knows the breeder well. Unfortunately whilst his breeding bitch was in season his retired working dog that was 16 years old noticed.;) Hence a litter that was not planned and as the pups were born 3 days under the twelve months since last litter they could not be registered? I have all the vet check certificates for my springer and the legal docking certificate all signed dated and stamped by a local vet. So am I to assume from this post that the puppy farms have many breeding bitches or are they breeding more than one litter a year and if that is the case how are they able to register them if the breeder I had my dog from cannot?
 
Many puppy farms don't register their puppies or only register a few of them. Crossbreeds cannot be registered ( there is an activity register at the KC but that is only an identification thing and like a horse having a generic, no breed, passport).

There are some scam registries too - these are just to con people when all they say is that someone has been dishonest - usually breeding from dogs with KC endorsement "progeny not eligible for registration" but also from unknown stock.

Your example, Crugerand Celt, is one of the few genuine reasons for pups not being registered and a lot of us campaigned for a 330 days between litters cutoff ( To prevent every six month heat matings) to allow for annual heat breeds eg Basenji & Tibetan ridgebacks which may whelp a few days early but the RSPCA shouted loudly for a year. I suppose 11 months was too difficult to work out?
 
Thankyou s4sugar that has cleared it up for me. I would hate to have bought a dog from a careless breeder. I did my homework at the time and as I say I knew someone who knew the breeder well but you just never know. I wasn't aware of the twelve month rule on registering, until I bought mine but does it just make the good breeders stick to what they would be doing anyway and the bad ones just registering one litter a year and selling another litter off cheaper unregistered?
 
Unfortunately, this ^^ is bound to happen. It doesn't stop a breeder overbreeding, they just can't register the litter. Alternatively, they could have two or more bitches and lie about who had which litter. There was a post on here recently where the OP's friend had bought a springer pup and it was out of a different bitch to what she'd been told. It makes a bit of a nonsense of the health testing scheme when there's a deliberate error like that.

People need to know the difference between checks and tests when it comes to health. Hip/elbow/eye tests should be available to see on the KC site.
 
Sorry should have said ct. Also since 2010 (I think) all dogs have to be identified by tattoo or chip and this info is put on paper work, so it is getting easier to check. Just have to get the message out to puppy buyers now.
 
MurphysMinder said:
Cy hips eye tests etc are available. Go to kc health test finder and put in dogs registered name, all tests results should come up!
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Well that's all very well but what about the likes of my pup that could not be registered? I know she had the health checks because I have the paperwork signed and stamped by the vet and also she was chipped and docked and I have the certificates for that too. Perhaps the responsibility has to lie with the buyer. If people didn't buy pups from irresponsible breeders there would be no point in them breeding.
 
If you put a dogs name into KC health tests page

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/test/Default.aspx


you should come up with something like this, different health tests depending on the breed.

I have deleted the KC reg name, which would appear at the top.

German Shepherd Dog
The following test results have been received by the Kennel Club.

Select a scheme name for more information on that scheme and what the result value means.

Test/Scheme Result Date Age
BVA/KC Elbow Dysplasia Scheme 0 23/07/2009 1 year, 1 month
BVA/KC Hip Dysplasia Scheme 3/4 = 7 08/07/2009 1 year, 1 month
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Well that's all very well but what about the likes of my pup that could not be registered? I know she had the health checks because I have the paperwork signed and stamped by the vet
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But this is what I meant: a breeder might say that the dog or the parents have been health checked but as MM says, it's the tests on the parents that are important. If you know the dam and sire's KC names, any tests they had done should be on the KC website.

I agree, the responsibility must lie with the buyer. If a buyer goes out, as I did, and buys puppies from a random litter and something goes wrong, it's tough. Some breeders are in it purely for the money, others are super careful to cover all bases in terms of breeding to improve lines/conformation and for temperament.
 
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